Interesting article about the future of gas stoves

[daveamkrayoguy]

Wow, Macomb good and I like how you know CID = Liters

Really now, if we could just save our electricity by turning off unnecessary lighting and use less plastic I think we could run engines of 8.2 liters I often say that to the people wanting of doing excessive bagging of think a bottle of wine needs its own bag and wonder why it can’t be put among the cracker and cereal boxes...

— Dave

 

[kskenmore]

Gas Vs Electric

It is extremely expensive to heat with an electric furnace in cold climates. It just isn't cost effective. In my last apartment I would pay $200/month electric bills in the winter with the thermostat set to 58F. We had put plastic insulating film over all the windows and the patio door. We put a new seal around the front door all in an effort to lower the bills. Now I live in an apartment with a gas furnace and pay $28/ month in the summer and $38/m in the winter with the thermostat at 65F.

All things are not equal between the two apartments, so it isn't near a perfect test, but I am extremely thankful to have a gas furnace (especially this year). People usually just can't afford to heat with electricity in cold climates. USA is a massive country with many different climates and energy resources. Different solutions work in different areas. California seems to enjoy being on the cutting edge of regulation and new requirements. Hopefully whatever they do works out for you all.

 

[vacerator]

Yes Dave,

that'd be a kick! LED lights save even if left on, and gas is headed toward $3 a gallon again thanks to recent weather, and speculation. My 3.5 litre AWD Ford Edge is thirsty enough, especially in city driving, which is about all I do lately. Under 12,000 miles in 3 years. It rarely even gets warmed up. Lease up in May. I won't pay more for the same vehicle.
I won't pay the same for an Escape, too small. If they won't deal off to Jeep, or Chevrolet. Ford can keep the $400. I get Employee pricing on any Big 3 make.
Bottles of wine need cushion same as my wallet!

 

[kenwashesmonday]

I thought the reason California was doing away with gas appliances was due to the danger of earthquakes breaking the pipes.

 

[twintubdexter]

<span style="font-size: 14pt; color: #008000;">The "restrictions" placed on gas service to new homes and buildings apply only to Berkeley (which gets all the press), Santa Rosa, Healdsburg, Windsor (?), Palo Alto, Los Gatos, Milpitas, Mountain View and Brisbane...none of which are large metropolitan areas. They are not <span style="text-decoration: underline;">California</span>. Here in Palm Springs, gasoline powered leaf blowers (pretty much standard equipment for gardeners) are banned for use, yet you wouldn't hear someone say "California has banned gas leaf blowers."</span>

 

[ea56]

Huh?

Berkeley, Palo Alto, Mountain View and Santa Rosa are all metropolitan areas, maybe not mega large, but they are large cities and they most certainly are California.

 

For the life of me I don’t know why people that don’t even live in California have so much interest in what we choose to do regarding gas appliances.  

 

Every municipality has the right to choose what they will allow and what building regulations and restrictions they will  have regarding energy use and conservation.  

 

And you are absolutely correct Joe, just because Santa Rosa has banned gas service for new construction doesn’t mean all of California has banned it.  

 

BTW, I read in the Santa Rosa Press Democrat last week that Windsor is having second thoughts on banning gas service for new construction and this new law may not go into effect.

 

If some other state or city chooses to make a particular law about banning gas service, if I don’t live there and it doesn’t effect me I couldn’t care less.  

 

* But on second thought I do care, because all states have an effect on Climate Change nationwide and worldwide.   Amended from original post.

 

Eddie

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[kenwashesmonday]

Here in New Jersey, leaf blowers are banned in some areas due to noise, and the fact that the dirt and refuse often gets blown to the middle of the road, only to end up in someone else's yard.

 

[bradfordwhite]

"For the life of me I don’t know why people that don’t even live in California have so much interest in what we choose to do .."

People are interested because, as many other people have noted, California is a power house trend setter. If one wants to know what's hot and what the world will look like in a few years, you look to California.

Nobody cares what's going on in Maine, or Connecticut, or S. Dakota, and less and less what's happening in NYC. California is awesome. If the state were it's own country it would be the 5th Largest economy on the planet.
It's the tail that wags the dog in the U.S. Our country would be at a huge loss without California.

Why do you think all the narcissistic idiots in texas are so jealous of California?
In their simple little minds they want to be California, but thank goodness they will never be up to the task.

Even though I have lived there only a few years of my life, I've been heavily influenced by it and would happily still consider it my home.

It must be the California mystic energy because for L.A., even though I would never want to live there again, sometimes I'm so intrigued with it's development over the years and have to spend some time researching and street surfing.

 

[bradfordwhite]

For the communities, in whatever state they may be in , where they've banned petroleum based equipment, I'm so impressed.

positive improvements

 

[ea56]

Keith

I’m a proud native Californian and I realize that we have a great influence on the rest of the nation, no one needs to remind me of this. But I do appreciate your cheerleading for my home state! And you’re right, California is great!  We are the equivalent of some small nations.  I really get tired of those from other states criticizing our state for attempting to reverse Climate Change.

 

However, people in other states can take care of their own backyards.  If they don’t like the forward thinking ideas of California they don’t need to implement them, thats their choice.  

 

*But it would be a shame if they don’t follow our lead, because Climate Change is a nationwide and worldwide problem that we all need to face head on and do our best to reverse it before its too late.  This amendment was added after being reminded of whats really important by Keith’s reply #46.

 

Eddie

 

[bradfordwhite]

"I really get tired of those from other states criticizing our state for attempting to reverse Climate Change."

Those are probably the same ignorant people who lack proper health care coverage and resist legislation for Universal Health care because people they chose to follow lied to them and said it would be a bad thing.

No one in their proper mind would resent those who are trying to make life better.

There are leaders and there are followers. Followers often will balk when the game plan isn't clear. Leaders need to make sure propaganda isn't confusing the public, such as we've seen with the recent Jan 6th incident.

 

[vacerator]

All good points Eddie, Keith,

and my feelings correspond! Colder weather in the south and near the equator is a result of warming. The north has been warmer in recent years. Before each ice age, it has been warmer. Carbon dating proved it. There will be another.
Nathan Philip Rothschild is British. He is among the 40 to 50 wealthiest in the world who have powerful iunfluence on banks, etc.
While nothing is free, the USA, some of western Latin America, and a small handfull of underdeveloped nations are the only ones without universal care. England began it in 1946 broke from WW2.
It won't be my problem by the time hardly anyone can afford private insurance. I'll be dead.
So what do you think corporations, governments, and the lagre care insurers and provider conglomerates will do?
I follow three rules; Pay attenton to whats going on, read between the lines, and follow the money!