Brazil maybe?
Collector has array of Whirlpool/Brastemp, Consul and LG machines.
Collector has array of Whirlpool/Brastemp, Consul and LG machines.
Interesting Collection From South America
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I wish Whirlpool went this direction with their US based VMWs. South American Lavadoras use a solenoid shifter with a brake band. Much less that can go wrong and no need for a lid lock. Further, unlike any US made VMWs, South American VMWs use an EM timer. The only electronics implemented are separate for cycling power between the motor leads to achieve agitation and ramp-up at the start of spin. No sensor feed back to cause error codes and the electronic motor control is an easy to replace card. Much simpler and less to go wrong.
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I wish Whirlpool went this direction with their US based VMWs. South American Lavadoras use a solenoid shifter with a brake band. Much less that can go wrong and no need for a lid lock. Further, unlike any US made VMWs, South American VMWs use an EM timer. The only electronics implemented are separate for cycling power between the motor leads to achieve agitation and ramp-up at the start of spin. No sensor feed back to cause error codes and the electronic motor control is an easy to replace card. Much simpler and less to go wrong.
[this post was last edited: 9/8/2024-09:08]
Lid lock likely has more to do with litigious nature of Americans and or safety mandates than anything else.
Lid Lock
VMWs sold today in the US do not have a tub brake of any kind. The tub indexes during agitation and takes up to several minutes to coast to a stop after spin. The control actually waits for the optical sensor circuit around the splutch to detect the cessation of rotation before disengaging the lid lock.
When VMWs first appeared in the US under the Whirlpool, Kenmore and GE name they did so as portable models, they had a band around the top of the splutch drum controlled by the mode shifter solenoid that would deactivate when the lid was lifted rapidly bring the tub to a stop. The first iterations would turn off the motor and drain pump (and electrically parallel solenoid) within seconds of each other, often causing the entire washer to rotate 30 or more degrees due to the cabinet's small, light size. Later models would de-energize the drive motor, let the tub coast down for 30 seconds, then turn off the pump and solenoid reducing the amount of inertia the brake and cabinet had to deal with. Of course, when one lifted the lid the motor and solenoid would disengage immediately, on all models.
In 2013 when the VMW system was adapted to full size washers sold in the US, in order to begin phasing out direct drives, Whirlpool did away with the brake band, changed the solenoid to a motorized shifter and added a lid lock. Horrible thing to do to the American market, awful, but they did it anyways.
The US is often a country of extremes. Profound, oppressive laws and restrictions on some matters, absolutely no rules where the same is highly illegal or restricted in every other country on other matters. Ie, if you brought up any of the food additives unanimously banned in most other countries, even the most educated US citizens would look at you like you had two heads.
VMWs sold today in the US do not have a tub brake of any kind. The tub indexes during agitation and takes up to several minutes to coast to a stop after spin. The control actually waits for the optical sensor circuit around the splutch to detect the cessation of rotation before disengaging the lid lock.
When VMWs first appeared in the US under the Whirlpool, Kenmore and GE name they did so as portable models, they had a band around the top of the splutch drum controlled by the mode shifter solenoid that would deactivate when the lid was lifted rapidly bring the tub to a stop. The first iterations would turn off the motor and drain pump (and electrically parallel solenoid) within seconds of each other, often causing the entire washer to rotate 30 or more degrees due to the cabinet's small, light size. Later models would de-energize the drive motor, let the tub coast down for 30 seconds, then turn off the pump and solenoid reducing the amount of inertia the brake and cabinet had to deal with. Of course, when one lifted the lid the motor and solenoid would disengage immediately, on all models.
In 2013 when the VMW system was adapted to full size washers sold in the US, in order to begin phasing out direct drives, Whirlpool did away with the brake band, changed the solenoid to a motorized shifter and added a lid lock. Horrible thing to do to the American market, awful, but they did it anyways.
The US is often a country of extremes. Profound, oppressive laws and restrictions on some matters, absolutely no rules where the same is highly illegal or restricted in every other country on other matters. Ie, if you brought up any of the food additives unanimously banned in most other countries, even the most educated US citizens would look at you like you had two heads.
Yep, that guy is from Brazil.
The nicest thing about Brazilian washers vs American washer is that in Brazil they still use water.
I have a samsung washer-dryer all-in-one from Brazil. I LOVE that one of the rinses make it look like a fish tank with water almost all the way above the door.
Whirlpool just did their worst stupidity a couple of days ago. They released a washer with that impeller that has a removable "agitator?" Well, that useless thing they call agitator...
Whirlpool ALWAYS manage to cheapen or make it worse, or impossible to fix.
The nicest thing about Brazilian washers vs American washer is that in Brazil they still use water.
I have a samsung washer-dryer all-in-one from Brazil. I LOVE that one of the rinses make it look like a fish tank with water almost all the way above the door.
Whirlpool just did their worst stupidity a couple of days ago. They released a washer with that impeller that has a removable "agitator?" Well, that useless thing they call agitator...
Whirlpool ALWAYS manage to cheapen or make it worse, or impossible to fix.
Washing machine collection in Brazil
It’s great that there are collectors and people that appreciate washing machines all over the world.
There’s really no reason washing Machines need brakes at all, some of the early machines didn’t have them no front loading washers ever had a brake It’s really just more to break down and make the machine costly to build with modern electronic technology. The lid unlocks as soon as it comes to a stop what more could you want.
Some machines do electronic braking by reversing the motor, which is a very clever way to slow something down without the mechanical problems of a mechanical brake.
John
It’s great that there are collectors and people that appreciate washing machines all over the world.
There’s really no reason washing Machines need brakes at all, some of the early machines didn’t have them no front loading washers ever had a brake It’s really just more to break down and make the machine costly to build with modern electronic technology. The lid unlocks as soon as it comes to a stop what more could you want.
Some machines do electronic braking by reversing the motor, which is a very clever way to slow something down without the mechanical problems of a mechanical brake.
John
Electronic Braking
Clearly your not an electrical engineer John.
There is not single washing machine in existence or in the history of humanity achieving braking by reversing the drive motor.
Motor based braking is achieved either by regeneration or in the case of most appliances by injecting direct current into the stator.
en.wikipedia.org
Regeneration is when the motor is turned into a generator whereby the the inertia in the load's mechanical energy coming into the motor now generator converts to electrical energy that either charges a battery or dissipated as heat across power resistors.
There is no such practical thing as dropping poly phase voltage being supplied to a motor, than instantaneously applying a phase displacement or rotating field in the opposite direction.
However John, I deeply respect your imagination. If you have managed to perfect reversal based braking , I'd like to see your design.
Clearly your not an electrical engineer John.
There is not single washing machine in existence or in the history of humanity achieving braking by reversing the drive motor.
Motor based braking is achieved either by regeneration or in the case of most appliances by injecting direct current into the stator.
DC injection braking - Wikipedia
Regeneration is when the motor is turned into a generator whereby the the inertia in the load's mechanical energy coming into the motor now generator converts to electrical energy that either charges a battery or dissipated as heat across power resistors.
There is no such practical thing as dropping poly phase voltage being supplied to a motor, than instantaneously applying a phase displacement or rotating field in the opposite direction.
However John, I deeply respect your imagination. If you have managed to perfect reversal based braking , I'd like to see your design.
Electric motor braking
Chat, don’t get your panties all in a knot, it’s the same thing reversing the motor whatever you wanna call it it’s the same thing companies have been doing it for years.
No, neither one of us are electrical engineers, but you have no practical experience is your problem and most of all you don’t have a TC five and yet you comment about them constantly I have worked with well over 100 of them for our customers and I’ve never had any complain about the rinsing or spinning of any of them.
The water is sprayed in before the tub is completely drained to help cool the fabrics reduce the scum on the top of the fabrics because of the spin drain and it does Help rinse the clothing and breakdown suds, Probably a very good use of a couple quarts of cold water.
John
Chat, don’t get your panties all in a knot, it’s the same thing reversing the motor whatever you wanna call it it’s the same thing companies have been doing it for years.
No, neither one of us are electrical engineers, but you have no practical experience is your problem and most of all you don’t have a TC five and yet you comment about them constantly I have worked with well over 100 of them for our customers and I’ve never had any complain about the rinsing or spinning of any of them.
The water is sprayed in before the tub is completely drained to help cool the fabrics reduce the scum on the top of the fabrics because of the spin drain and it does Help rinse the clothing and breakdown suds, Probably a very good use of a couple quarts of cold water.
John
Again, calling it "it’s the same" shows you have no clue what you're talking about. DC injection has nothing to do with reversing the motor. It literally slows and locks the rotor in place. Nothing is being reversed, not even the magnetic flux of the stator or rotor.
If you payed attention to my posts you'd know I do have first hand experience with early spray rinsing as I own an AWN412SP111TW01. In the delicate and Permanent Press post wash spins I've witnessed first hand water coming in with the tub still 1/3 full of water. So I am very much in the position to opine. I also had first hand experience with neutral drain washers which managed to build up scum rings around the agitator, tub, and leave the clothes with more hair, lint, and sediment at the end of the cycle. I've also used Potscrubber dishwashers which did clean very well in the corners even with pots, bowls and pans facing face down in the bottom rack.
If you payed attention to my posts you'd know I do have first hand experience with early spray rinsing as I own an AWN412SP111TW01. In the delicate and Permanent Press post wash spins I've witnessed first hand water coming in with the tub still 1/3 full of water. So I am very much in the position to opine. I also had first hand experience with neutral drain washers which managed to build up scum rings around the agitator, tub, and leave the clothes with more hair, lint, and sediment at the end of the cycle. I've also used Potscrubber dishwashers which did clean very well in the corners even with pots, bowls and pans facing face down in the bottom rack.
