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Many a day of mine is spent trawling the internet, reading about all kinds of stuff, from the supposed doomsday, to religion and onwards to washers, dishwashers, aircraft and computers.

During a YouTube searching today, I came across two videos related to Fisher and Paykel products, from the late 1990's or early 2000's. I can only assume these videos were meant for the Oceanic, due to the Kiwi/New-Zealander woman presenting the video. My assumptions also lead me to believe this video may have been found on some mid-night shopping channel...

Anyway, I now present the videos: Number 1, the Fisher and Paykel ActiveSmart (or INOX) refrigerator. The modern version of F&P's YouTube channel mirrors what is said here, yet with a 100% computerized show!

 
Number 2

Who could possibly forget my favourite F&P appliance: The DishDrawer (Do I hear a very loud "Ughhhh, not more DishDrawers!" Eminating from the AW.org crowd?)

Appears to be a DD602/603 model, but has a weird looking wash arm, much skinnier than the one in my DishDrawer, or my relatives DD603. Looks good though! I prefer the racking in that model and the cutlery basket design. Seems smarter to me, at least (as does the Pre-Wash and Rinse for Normal cycles!)

 
F&P Dishdrawer

WOW in the video they actually put in one dirty dinner plate, LOL. I continue to hear horror stories from most of my customers who have ever had anything to do with one of these so called dishwashers.

 

I must admit however that they can work and they are the perfect toy for appliance enthusiasts who are very aware of the machine and are willing to work with all its idiosyncrasies and other issues.
 
@combo_52

I noticed that they only put in one dirty object. I don't believe this has anything to do with the machine's ability, I think it has more to do with demonstrating usage and care for your DishDrawer. It also keeps things looking clean and tidy: In what sort of commercial do they showcase a dirty, mouldy dishwasher?

 

I guess I'm gonna have to defend myself (& DishDrawers) here, but the only issue we have had was the drain filter separating. I believe "rapunzel" had a similar problem with their DishDrawer. The cause: Me and my obsessive cleaning habits. I don't clean that filter anymore, except when I remove the filter-plate from the bottom of the machine.

There are 3 members on here who are satisfied (to my knowledge), including me. I know of 3-4 other groups of people who have been impressed with their DishDrawers and haven't had major problems. One friend had to have the thing replaced after 5 years, but no problems before that. Now that Haier has a significant stake in F&P, I would maybe hesitate buying more of their appliances...

However the performance I've seen is great; I can't understand why there are people who don't get clean dishes! People that "Pre-Rinse" say things come out worse than they go in... Something is fishy about that, I know it.

If you've seen the video Dadoes made some time ago, you'll see there is no excuse for poor cleaning ability, with that amount of water moving round in there. No doubt it's less than an older GE Potscrubber, Asko or KitchenAid, but there is still enough water movement to (supposedly) ensure clean dishes.

 

Even if you don't follow the recommended loading patterns, you can still get clean dishes. When that happens with us, we get only 1-2 rejects, which annoys me, but I know why. When I stuff the thing full it can still perform quite admirably.

But being a repair tech, you only fix the problems the dishwasher or the owners create. You can't see how they load the machine, what detergent they use, or if they even use the right cycle: People using Normal Eco or the Fast cycles can't expect blazing performance. The fast cycle works great, on everything except stuck soils and Lip-Balm. You get around 70mins total on the Normal cycle of Washing/Rinses, after the computer cuts wash time after the heating delays.

Perhaps you could tell me how to turn off that drying cycle? I don't feel we need it! Waste of time, that is!

 

I don't believe their designs are flawed, perhaps imperfect, but nothing these days will last. I'm sure we'll be lucky to get around 15 years out of our new appliances (from last year)
 
I have had my Dishdrawers . . .

. . . for the past 4 or 5 years with no problems whatsoever. They clean well, and it is amazing how much you can get in one drawer with a little ingenuity. As with any appliance, there will be a disadvantage here or there. For instance, I can't put a garbage pail in my drawer to get it cleaned as I saw on here years ago. But I never had any desire to do so.

My drawers clean very well and are quiet. And I find it advantageous to have them both to use separately or together, depending on the situation.

As with any dishwasher, I always make sure the hot water line is purged before I start the operation.

No complaints here about my Dishdrawers.

Jerry Gay
 
Dishdrawers are brilliant.

I have had a dishdrawer now for 2 years and have had a few problems but nothing not fixable and now I think I know them inside out I have enough spares to keep them going for the foreseeable future, which is good because they simply are excellent at cleaning and water saving.
As Jay above stated they are versatile and economic.
Mine are cold fill only like most UK/EU models.
They are like Marmite love em or hate em :)

Austin
 
I must have won the lucky dip

My dishdrawer was purchased in 2003 and has never missed a beat. Totally love it and will consider buying another one if it fails.

I don't know why F&P is getting such a bad rep in the US. Maybe the stuff that is built over there is of lesser quality?
 
@rapunzel

Perhaps it is like the Toyota Camry's from 97-01 over in the US: The engines on THOSE models were particularly bad for building sludge, thats not to say a similar vehicle in Australia won't do such a thing, but due to different standards, quite a few lemons resulted (and people's tendency to NOT service their vehicles frequently enough doesn't help either).

 

Then again, Since the population of the US is roughly 12-14x bigger than ours, I suppose we can expect to hear even more complaints from people with "issues" with their products.

 

Ozzie908, I totally agree with you. DishDrawers are indeed akin to Marmite/Vegemite. Its one way, or another.

I believe though, that any DishDrawer may be connected to Hot water, so long as its no hotter than 60º (Thats about 140ºF). Thats what we've done, and it helps with the cycle times.
 

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