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Will be interesting to hear a quote, will add it to number have already.

Long story short a FC of size required (to accommodate heater and motor surge power) will likely run cost of a new TOL Miele W1 washer! *LOL*

Have been looking for a used bit of equipment, but thus far no such luck. Everything is rated much lower output, which means moment heaters came on would fry the FC.

To "reprogram" the control board requires a DAAS-EAP communications protocol up to 115.200 baud. That and knowledge of what exactly one is doing.
 
@mrboilwash: Single paddle FL

Regarding front loaders with a single paddle, I remember a few years ago at my local department store, Fenwick of Newcastle, they were selling a slim(ish) depth Zanussi with a 6kg or 7kg load with a shallow drum and a single paddle. It was definitely an Electrolux product as it had the contemporary ZWF facia and plain drain cover at the lower right.
 
Thank you Solsburian for taking the time to answer my question.

The answer I was given before that it could be two or maybe three made me feel like an idiot.
I really wasn`t 100% sure if such an unusual design ever existed, but dimly remembered I`ve read about it on AW.
 
Morning All!

@Louis

Thank you! How very kind. Was considering doing the same over on UKwasher.help but the query in one form or another has been made before with same reply; "it cannot be done...."

@askolover

Have spent more hours than care to think about researching this issue. It is common enough but answers always are same; it won't work, don't bother, and from Electrolux/AEG " we cannot offer any assistance......".

Since am a glass half filled sort of person take the brush off from AEG in Canada as one of the few positive things thus far. As they said "wouldn't" provide the information, rather than what one wanted couldn't be done.

Am guessing Electrolux keeps their service persons on a short lead and, and would read them the riot act if any went around "reprogramming" EEPROM on washing machines or dryers.

Accessing service/diagnostic setting is easy, that can be found in any of the scores of service manuals online. Problem is that this particular code/fault (incorrect power/frequency supply) is self correcting. Once things return to normal parameters machine will start. If they don't it won't.

Worse still rather like when a computer first boots internal electronics at once detect any change in voltage/frequency. If found system blocks all further activity until things are corrected. Machine literally shuts down and becomes bricked.
 
Would an inverter not solve the problem, something like a pure sinewave inverter. I am merely suggesting as I don't have any electrician background and/or training. We have installed deep cycle batteries at our practice and in case of a power outage said 12 volt batteries runs through the inverter and it powers most of our electronic equipment. Surely if it can cycle a car battery to 220 volts there must be something that can be done for Launderess.

Regards,

 
Morning all

@mieleforever

Inverter is an interesting idea, but comes with drawbacks. The high amount of power drawn by washer (2100 watts) if even for say 10 minutes will drain a 12v or even 24v battery quickly. Unless hooked up to something that charges while in use (as a car does via alternator) could end up with the thing being drained before the one hour (or more) wash cycle is completed.

Would also want to put some sort of fuse/circuit breaker or some sort of circuit protection between battery - inverter and appliances or whatever is being powered. Those DC batteries put out great power and a sudden surge could fry inverter, not to mention anything connected if one understands correctly.

There are sine wave inverters built into frequency converters, power generators (solar, petrol, diesel, etc..., but things get rather dear when looking at 2kW or 3kW.

@Louis

Thanks for the update. Yes, you are correct neither response will provide a solution. But hope springs eternal, so we shall keep waiting to see if anything turns up on FB.
 
How nice of you to ask.

No luv, nothing new to report. Washer still is sat shoved into cubby and remains unused.

Have contacted several "marine" buffs (those who own boats) and was told my situation isn't uncommon, but solutions are expensive. Just as what everyone else here and elsewhere has stated right down the line.

Absent reprogramming the EPROM (which doesn't seem likely as no one has spoken up, nor does it seem as if any ever will), next solution is to purchase or rig up some sort of frequency converter.

There are all sorts out there designed to do just what one is wanting, and many will also step up or down current in process. Problem is units capable of providing 10 or more amps of power at 230v for 2kW are dear, *very* dear.

How dear you say? Well put it this way, could purchase a new TOL Miele W1 washing machine with all bells and whistles (including Twin Dos and WiFi) for about same or less money.

My boating friends who run washing machines off various devices including inverters say the key is to find a machine where temperature is separate from cycles, then just do not use heating elements. That takes a major load off electrical requirements leaving only the surge created by motor when it begins to spin. That is more easily managed with various *other* power sources.

Sadly that is not an option with this AEG Lavamat and can't get a straight answer out of AEG Canada or France just what machine will do if say 40c/Cottons is selected but incoming water is at or well above that temp. Know what my other Lavamat does (shortens cycle by ten minutes), but that unit is of old and built in Germany. Not sure what Electrolux has done since with these newer models in terms of programming. Machine may work fine as noted above, or throw a code and shut down because it assumes something is wrong with heating element.

Once some other things are out of way may consider simply ponying up the vast sum for a proper frequency converter, but not now.

In any event won't go route of BellaLaundry and take the machine to tip. It will run perfectly on generator power (if the thing is ramped down to 3000 from 36000). Indeed some boating friends have done this when using "shore power".

In theory then someone with a backyard and or other access to outdoors and thus could run a petrol fired generator could use this washer to their hearts content. So would try to find a nice home for unit instead. It is very lightly used and considering the large expat community in NY/NJ/Conn area someone might want.

Again someone out there nabbed that older AEG toplader from Detroit, so obviously knew what it was, and made their move.
 
Launderess, hope you find a solution to fire up your machine!

You brought up a number of memories; growing up in Europe, many bathrooms featured a top load, H-axis style machine. Majority of the time, either a Whirlpool or Candy; sporadically a Bosch. I've personally repaired two that weren't flushing the dispenser right.

AEG (and Bosch, speaking of kitchen appliances) was mom's brand of choice - those pictures you provided remind me of my childhood. Although we always had front load washers, the styling and options are long gone. I can almost feel the mechanical clicks of turning the cycle selector - kind of firm and loud but still plasticky and softened.
 
All this story reminds me the zenith digital system 3 i bought in your country and got shipped to my country (italy). it didn’t power up because the mains frequency here is 50hz and not 60! I rented a bulky gasoline generator that could supply the needed frequency judt to see it turning on. you can just imagine such thing in an apartment living room spitting smoke while working!!then i thought another solution had to be found. i looked at the schematic provided with the zenith and found the processor needed a squrare wave signal injected to one of its terminals. i found the project to build a small generator and hooked it to the zenith. this trick did the job. unfortunately the tv never worked properly as there also were tv standard problems but the 50/60 hz issue was solved. i asked to a friend that works for the aeg electrolux service center about your machine but he told me there is no a service function about the country or mains frequency as you can find on miele machines.
 
Cannot believe you used a petrol generator indoors.

Much as one loves my laundry equipment, would even dream. Neighbors would surely complain, and soon as fire department left an army of lawyers would descend. *LOL*

Cannot recall all of it, but yes televisions involve more than just the frequency difference between countries.

Yes, there isn't an "service" mode on Electrolux AEG Lavamat washers that allows changing of frequency required. It has to be done via reprogramming the EPROM, which requires not only proper laptop/computer connection but access to the software as well I should imagine. Any of which seems to be more than any AEG service or tech persons job is worth by divulging.
 
As previously mentioned, you could run an electric motor-driven generator... surely that shouldn't be too hard to rig up cheaply? After all, isn't a generator basically just a motor being turned by external power? So all you'd need would be one 50Hz motor and a spare 60Hz one to act as the genny...
 
Get a sold state convertor instead-would be less expensive-motor genset as we know them are no longer made for the most part.I haven't seen one in MANY years-the last one I saw was a 100Kw Westinghouse unit-480V 3ph to 400V 2 phase at 10khz for an induction heating.No longer used but still there.Seen it run..The motor turns a generator-not another motor.That would not work.
 
*Update* Of Sorts

No, haven't put the machine into action yet. Know what is wanting but just cannot swing dear cost of getting atm.

But using the other AEG Lavamat on Sunday, found out my theory about using warmer water to fill in attempts to keep heater use down (and thus overall wattage drawn), won't really work as planned.

Did a "50c" Cottons/Linens in the Lavamat front loader choosing "91" minute cycle. Set taps to give warm water and went about doing other things.

When washer began to fill with cold water (moved taps over after machine had finished filling for wash) as part of the cool down before draining watched the timer. What had been 71 minutes quickly dropped down to 54 minutes remaining. In short washer deducted a full 31 minutes from wash portion of cycle.

If am doing sums correctly that gave just 20 minutes of washing time. However since the timer counts down from time cycle is started this includes time use for filling, load sensing, more filling (to top up if required), then heating. All use different drum rhythms meaning the washing in earnest does not truly begin for ten or more minutes after proper temp was reached.

Happily was only doing a coverlet and some towels and smalls (white) to make up a full load. Nothing was badly soiled so even with relatively "short" wash all is clean. However this does not bode well for my plans... It now almost certain will need a big a**** converter capable of handing total max draw plus one half to one times more as a safety margin.
 

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