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. . .wants to replace the US Constitution with 'Biblical

Really,
I thought that was Obama and Jessie Jackson in their "We shall overcome, we shall overtake" speech.

Trust me, McCain has pandered the right direction to get elected. It is evident that they are polorizing where they need to but still attempting to be open to the undecided and swing votes. The are also working for "Get the first woman in the Oval office." angle to pull Hillary supporters their way.

On the other side they are working for "I am black, vote for me to get the first black man in office." I really haven't seen a whole lot more for his platform. OH--Kennedy supports him, lets all vote the party. Guess what??? I didn't vote for Teddy in '80 either.

What I think the country needs is for all of us to pull our heads out from under the far left/right wings and work for the better of the entire nation. Be it gay, black, female or Beagle. If you don't have a job, a house and food to feed your kids none of the rest matters when you are trying to survive. My question is who is going to make survival easier in the next four years?

Can I choose Ralph Nader.
 
Sure,

choose whomever you like. Of course, after the way the republicans stole the election in 2000, there is no guarantee that your vote will be counted...
Personally, I can't see why people worried about how bad things have gotten under the republicans in the last eight years can even consider putting them back in charge.
McCain and Palin are the republican candidates, they are the elite of the party which has caused this whole mess.
 
One of the main reasons I"m voting for Obama, is I want a person who thinks in the oval office. That is not a quality I would ascribe to either McCain or Palin. I'm SOOOOO feed up with faith based Government ---Bush's ""God told me to..." crap. I want a reasonable RATIONAL person in the White House.
 
oh boy, this does not sound good at all

I can't wait to see how the conservatives try to spin this one.
Take a look at this youtube of an ABC news report.
This is not the sort of person you want one heartbeat away from the presidency -

 
In fairness

All the troubles of the last eight years began long before GWB took office.

In 1996 the State Department of Credit Unions and CUNA Credit Union National Assurance warned credit unions that the economy was being held artifically low and would crash sometime in the next decade. With this warning they issued a mandate that credit unions increase their reserves to carry them through.

This would tell me that the economy was tanking and being held up by tooth picks at that time. Not that it was handled the best if the current Admin., but the house of cards were laid long before GWB hence I can not give the poor sap all the credit for the worlds woes; much as he deserves them.

As I have stated before, and will now state again. The biggest legacy the President can leave is his appointments to the Supreme Court. These justices are appointed for life. We as a country are still suffering for the appointments from the Nixon administration, and we will suffer for a long, long time for the appointments by GWB.

What I can only do as a voter is vote my concious and allow the system to work, with the majority rulling. The most important thing is to vote. If you don't exercise your right to vote, you don't have a right to gripe about what others have done.
 
Does anyone expect honesty from any politician? Even if Palin did lie and abuse her power of office, it's like giving out speeding tickets at a Nascar race. This story is the Democratic equivalent of Swift Boat Vets, and I hope they don't go there. That's Republican territory.

I believe McCain/Palin will be defeated because of their views and not because of pointless mudslinging. McCain was counting on Palin bolstering his poll numbers among young people and women, but it's having the opposite effect. One of two things will happen within the next few weeks: either she'll withdraw from the ticket, or (more likely) McCain will be every bit as clueless and stubborn as our current president and will lose the election by double digits.
 
Let's skip the legal details

Was she ever a member of the Alaskan Independence Party?

And get to the point.
According to several reports - see URL for one I have found trustworthy:
Officials from the AIP, the state's third-largest political party, have claimed that Sarah Palin attended the 1994 party convention with her husband. Public records indicate, however, that Palin has been a lifelong Republican since she first registered to vote in Alaska. Her husband Todd Palin did register as a member of the AIP—which supports holding a vote on Alaskan secession from the United States—in 1995 before reregistering as "undeclared" in 2002. According to the New York Times, Gov. Palin recorded a video segment for the party's convention this year, wishing the AIP "good luck on a successful and inspiring convention."

Yes, I agree, such topics as secession are too subtle to argue. Basically, anyone who is willing to blindly vote republican after the damage they have done to this country over the last eight years is pretty much immune to rational argument. But for those republicans who actually give a fcuk about this country and what the US Constitution means, it would have to be a serious consideration to either not vote or vote for Obama.

Gosh, it is terrifying to think that this woman could soon be just one heartbeat away from the presidency.

http://www.slate.com/id/2199362/
 
Tina Fey

I sure wish she was back on SNL...she would make an EXCELLENT Sarah Palin...I mean, the two look sooo much alike, it's unreal. Has anybody else noticed this?
 
Well Palin's daughter gives a whole new meaning to heels to heaven. Bad enough here in Mass we have the Gloucester Girls all knocked up and now this. But they dont want to talk about it...its none of our business. I saw footage of the RNC convention today and the "redneck father" of the her daughter's baby didnt look too happy to me. I thought those days were gone where the father had no choice but to marry the one he decided to spawn with. And then after the baby is born then go on welfare and say I dont know who the baby father is....How many time we have all seen that or heard of it. And I thought in my family it was a trip. I told my own sister a few weeks ago that "when you mess with Diane you mess with the whole trailer park"...she wasnt too happy but it was the truth. She was swooning over some guy and i told her she better not get knocked up since she did such a bang up job with my niece and nephew and she outta have the thing ripped out or sewn up.
 
TVWeek.com reports~

McCain TV Ratings Beat Obama in Preliminary Numbers

By Andrew Krukowski

Presidential candidate John McCain's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention drew more television viewers than his rival Barack Obama attracted at the Democratic party's event last week, according to preliminary ratings from Nielsen Media Research.

Across all broadcast networks Thursday, Sen. McCain’s speech ended the night with a 4.8 rating/7 share, compared to Sen. Obama’s 4.3/7 average, according to overnight numbers from metered households in 55 U.S. markets measured by Nielsen. These ratings are preliminary, however, and are subject to change.

NBC’s coverage of Sen. McCain’s speech started directly at the tail end of the opening game of NFL season, with the speech pulling in a 6.3 rating/10 share, topping Sen. Obama’s speech last week by 26%. That lead-in may have boosted audiences who last night turned out in droves to watch Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin introduce herself to the country.

ABC’s showing of the McCain speech averaged a 4.5/7, down 2% from the same night of the Democratic convention last week, while CBS’ coverage took in a 3.4/5, an increase of 3%.

Hmm...

I am feeling really good about November 4th.

McCain*Palin '08
 
Dirty Buck ...Tina Fey

Buck, i was thinking Meagan Mulally, (Karen Walker, on " Will & Grace").... Seriously i just made a little contribution to Senator Obama's effort, I think Senator Obama's website is just Great. I don't just toss money around either, but I feel a need to do more this election year. alr2903
 
Looks like Obama's rating are better...

Not that it really matters much but:

"That means McCain's speech is now the most-watched in convention history -- 41% higher than President Bush's acceptance speech four years ago, and 1% higher than Obama's address last week.

But wait.

If you add in PBS -- which is tracked by Nielsen as meter-market projections, but not counted among its regular national ratings sample -- Obama beat McCain.

PBS estimated that 2.7 million viewers tuned in last night and 3.5 million watched Obama. So if you include those viewers, Obama beat out McCain by an even slimmer margin, 41.9 to 41.6 million viewers. "

I ONLY watch PBS coverage, as did many other I know.

http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/09/mccain-rating-1.html
 
But you know the way Sarah Palin has her hair styled(??) she does look like a waitress in a truck stop. Always hairs out of place. She looks like she just got out of bed.

Remember, if anything happens to McSame due to his fragile health status SHE will be in charge? Do we REALLY want that?
 
I find it interesting

that the Republicans are shielding Palin from the press. What do they have to hide?
Don't these 100% red-meat (make mine a moose-burger), patriotic all-Americans think the people have a right to get to know their future VP?
Oh, right...
Sorry. Wasn't thinking.
 
I thought about Tina Fey as well. Anyone else notice that Nancy Pelosi looks a lot like Cheri Oteri formerly of SNL when she played those mental characters? I couldn't find a suitable pic, but I'm still on dialup on this computer.
 
It's Amazing

I've only known about this woman for a little more than a week, but I'm already sick of her.

My first impression, which persists, is that Ms. Palin is a spectaculary bad choice as a VP candidate by an old man who must be "doddering". I think this woman, even more so than Dan Quayle, is a joke: a bad one.

Here's a snap that says it all:

9-6-2008-10-45-52--bajaespuma.jpg
 
You guys are a riot!

Y'all cannot possibly be concerned that the press will fail to slice and dice this candidate. There is probably a team going through her recycling bin as we speak.

There are some important issues with which to pick a bone with Gov. Palin, or extreme Christians, or whomever, but it seems like y'all would rather get off on her hair, on cheap satire, on conspiracy theories, her daughter, etc., and then use All CAPS, and then sprinke expletives, then rants, and after awhile your credibility just goes down the toilet. The venom is so over the top that you have to use a fine tooth comb to find a legitimate point.

If you feel strongly about your candidate, or the issues, I just don't think that a rant fest is effective. On the other hand, if I am being too serious, and what is going on here is just a contest to see who can be more venomously clever, than, uh, never mind.
 
The hairdo is only an obervation about her appearance the bigger question is:

Remember, if anything happens to McSame due to his fragile health status SHE will be in charge? Do we REALLY want that?

Most Presidents have a long record in politics. Palin doesn't, but then again neither does Obama. That's why I say this whole election thing this year is a nightmare. I'm going to write in "Try Again".

And now that some of you are in love with Ms. Palin, here is some more info about her past shady business dealings.

And the Washington Post is no rag either.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_scrubbing_car_wash.html
 
Pray Away the Gay

Palin church promotes converting gays
By RACHEL D'ORO
The Associated Press
Friday, September 5, 2008; 8:41 PM

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.

"You'll be encouraged by the power of God's love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality," according to the insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has prayed for about six years.

Palin's conservative Christian views have energized that part of the GOP electorate, which was lukewarm to John McCain's candidacy before he named her as his vice presidential choice. She is staunchly anti-abortion, opposing exceptions for rape and incest, and opposes gay marriage and spousal rights for gay couples.

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The fact this race is even close is proof that we as a nation have lost our fucking minds.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../09/05/AR2008090503316.html?hpid=sec-religion
 
I agree, Jeff. It's depressing. That people don't understand fundamentalist/evangelical religion will be the end of us absolutely astounds me.

Fundamentalists have screamed "Satan!" at every scientific discovery in history--from the movement of the planets, to the work of Louis Pasteur, to stem-cell research.

I know of very few fundamentalist Christians who trust their almighty God enough to skip the hospital and use prayer, exclusively, for healing. We'd still be in the Dark Ages if intelligent, rational people hadn't continued pushing back against the brick wall of conservative religion.

What disappoints and scares me is that rational Christians don't stand up against their radical-right counterparts in this country. Look around the world---it's always the fundamentalists who gain power, because moderates are too afraid to stand up to them. It's always the most restrictive, conservative-radical faction that takes over a theocracy. "We have the strictest dogma, so we must be right!" And moderates, too afraid to call them on their bullshit, fall in line.

We scoff at fundamentalist theocracies like Iran and wonder how their society could be so stupid as to allow something like that to happen. It's not that big of a leap, kids.
 
Amen, Frigilux

Eugene: I agree with your suggestion that moderate Christians have failed to deal with the extreme fundamentalists and agree with the analogy to the failure of moderate Muslims to decry the behaviors of the extreme.

Jeff: Regarding the screwballs in Palin's church - for now I am going to give her the same pass we gave Obama. And I will wait until we have more data, from cridible sources (not from threads and blogs) on her voting record.
 
Pray Away the Gay????

How are the Log Cabin Republicans going to spin this one???

Also, that photo in the bikini with the gun has got to be photo shopped. Regardless, from the few pictures I have seen of her hubby, I would rather see him and his "gun" in a speedo. <grin>
 
Or how about this one I heard last week:

"Church is for people who are too stupid to take control of their own lives. The church tells them what to do and think"

My own comment:
If you go to church, it's ALWAYS a good thing. We have to get rid of this mindset. It's WHAT'S being taught in the church that counts!
 
Be it gay, black, female or Beagle (iheartmaytag )

That's it. I'm voting for Snoopy.

Does anyone expect honesty from any politician? (JeffG)

Nope. That's why I'm not falling for the "policy statements" of Osama and Billary being 99.9999% identical, as mentioned in another thread. That's what they said they were all about!

Chuck
 
A good article

on Palin's positions regarding women's rights.
The article is heavily hetero-centric, ignoring gays entirely. Still, it does a very good job of summing up just exactly what women will face when McCain and Palin are put in charge of destroying the few remaining freedoms Americans enjoy.
Conservatives, you are always screaming about your patriotism and freedom - just how do you reconcile what the republicans have done the last eight years and are now offering with your "American" values?
The question is genuinely meant.

http://www.slate.com/id/2199258/
 

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