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A good article

on Palin's positions regarding women's rights.
The article is heavily hetero-centric, ignoring gays entirely. Still, it does a very good job of summing up just exactly what women will face when McCain and Palin are put in charge of destroying the few remaining freedoms Americans enjoy.
Conservatives, you are always screaming about your patriotism and freedom - just how do you reconcile what the republicans have done the last eight years and are now offering with your "American" values?
The question is genuinely meant.

 
Keven, there's an old saying that "people get the government they deserve". It's as true in the U.S. as anywhere else.

Ask a "conservative" what he stands for and you'll get something similar to the attached video. "Family values", "small town values" etc, these are all code phrases for the same Neoconservative social agenda: to eliminate women's reproductive rights, to bash gay people, to convert our free republic into a Christian theocracy etc.

But again, it's simply a matter of people getting the government they deserve. If McCain wins this election I'll lose what little interest I have left in remaining an American citizen, and from a safe distance I'll watch this fascist feeding frenzy run its course.

 
Where would you go, Jeff?

So, like, Jeff, you seem to have survived two Bush terms, just where would you go if McCain is elected? I am curious.
 
Thanks, Jeff,

I kinda knew that already - except for my parents, my entire American family are red-neck christianists.
Who, yes, routinely threaten me with physical violence.
And love to hold forth on all their views.
I guess I should have qualified the question. How can a gay man who is a conservative support these McCain and Palin?
 
Mark, it's a big, beautiful world out there. Fortunately, and least so far, the rise of right-wing extremism has been limited to our borders. Visit any other country and start talking about "defense of marriage", "war on terror" etc and people will look at you like you're from Mars.

So the answer to your question is, just about anywhere. I'm especially fond of the Nordic countries, also Canada, Spain, Germany, New Zealand and South Africa. I'll even settle for Vanuatu, an island nation whose entire federal law is ten pages long. It's the difference between talking about freedom, and living free.
 
I always find it more than a little odd whenever I hear especially US politicians spouting on how the rest of the world looks to America for leadership or being the leaders of the free world. From where I sit here in Canada I see less freedom in the USA and it's worsening. You can no longer re-enter your own country after leaving without a passport. You can't visit Cuba legally, a physical and virtual wall is being built around the whole country. As for social agendas, good grief the USA is decades behind the rest of the western world.
In other words the USA is so far behind they think their in front. I'm not joking
 
I have a Canadian friend that said the same things over 20 years ago Pete. You are right!!
 
Pete, you are so right. Half of America has a very unrealistic notion of what we're becoming and where we're headed as a society. They underestimate the extent of the damage to our image around the world brought on by eight years of chest-thumping, fundamentalist, faux-patriotism.

Our days as top dog in the world are numbered; China (and probably India) will surpass us as dominant world power economically and politically, very soon. By our own statistics/projections, caucasians will be a minority here in less than 50 years.

Talk about change!
 
I'm more than a little curious about Canadian issues. I'm 45 minutes west of Sarnia, and if I didn't have responsibilities taking care of my 93 year old dad, it would sure look inviting if McCain wins. For the simple reason that either A.) the election was stolen, or more likely B.) The American population caved to a religious bigot. Neither of these scenarios will be easy to correct in my lifetime.

I friend of my cousin's is Canadian, lives in Windsor, but works here. He and his wife are looking to move to a suburb of Detroit. They complain about the medical insurance issues and the value of the dollar vs. Canadian dollar. For years the exchange rate was favorable and they lived well, now it's the reverse and they are hurting. From your stand point what are the plusses and minuses of living in Canada?
 
I can't say as I have any real complaints. Start with the dollar issue. The Canadian dollar tanked in the mid 70's having been at or above the US dollar and dropped to below 70 cents US at times. What that meant was that US made goods were obviously more expensive but in real life the price differences "on the shelf" were never that astronomical. Since earlier in the year the Canadian dollar rebounded and now trades about par with the US dollar, sometimes a few cents lower, sometimes a few cents higher. My nephew also lives in Windsor and works for a Japanese company in Detroit so of course he benefitted greatly because he was paid in US dollars which was like a 30% bonus after conversion. Now with our dollar about the same again he "complains a little" but he still makes a big salary regardless. He's toyed with the idea of moving as well but in the end says no.

On the medical side I have absolutely zero complaints nor does anyone I have ever spoken to.
My eldest sister now 58 y.o was born with congenital heart problems (blue baby, hole in heart etc). On her birth back then she was immediately put into world renown Toronto Sick Kids hospital and operated on with follow ups once or twice a year all her life. As she aged she had better surgeries done. Evenutally needing a pacemaker etc etc etc but she's still here. She also has severe rheumatoid arthritis. Back in June she started weakening and we took her to the local hospital where she was admitted to the cardiac ward. After all the tests they deemed she'd be better at the large Toronto General so in the morning after breakfast she was air ambulanced from Sarnia here to Toronto. None of this and all the other problems that probably would have bankrupted many
Americans caused a dent in my parents. Everything is covered.

The big mistake though everyone assumes about the Canadian health care system is that it is run by the federal government. It isn't. The federal government oversees the Canada Health Act which states the rules each province must follow IF they want to receive any federal money for health care (hospitals, admin etc). If they don't follow the guidelines (and they don't have to) they won't receive any federal assistance. The crux of the Canada Health Act state that all Canadians are treated equally and CANNOT for any reason be denied health care no matter what province they happen to be in when they need it. Also KEY is that there can be NO FOR PROFIT hospitals etc. Each of the 11 provinces has their own individual health care plans and administer them independently. How each province gets the money to pay for a lot of it is strictly up to the province. In Alberta and British Columbia you pay a bi-monthly premium deducted from your pay or else you pay out of pocket with a check or cash. It costs about $100 for a single person a little more for a family of any size but not much more, maybe half as much again. Here in Ontario and other provinces it's somehow covered thru sales and provincial income taxes. There is no government person standing between you and your doctor or the hospital. The doctor deals with the hospital board. This also means that there is no incentive nor disincentive when it comes to providing a service because there is NO PROFIT or shareholders to please. It also removes a problem that is rampant in the US,,, providing costly but totally unnecessary procedures, MRI's etc just to boost the bottom line and sometimes put the patient at risk.
What some of the griping you do hear about are because in some locales, not all, there can be waits for ELECTIVE and non life-threatening surgeries like knee surgeries or cataract surgeries or an MRI etc. Remember that's not everywhere either. Two years ago when I was at my GP for a checkup he ordered an MRI for me and I had it the next morning. That is because of shortages of doctors in some areas and or budget restraints. Key to all this though is that emergency patients in any instance NEVER wait.
The US right wing are masters at deceiving Americans with tales of terrible Canadian medical services.

Another example, just this past spring our good friend Ann back in Calgary had a funny pain in her right arm while at work. People told her to go to emerg but she wouldn't. Later that evening at bingo it started feeling funny again and she brushed it off. About 11pm that night it happened again so instead of waking up her husband she got in her car and drove over to the emerg at the closest hospital. Told the girl at the desk what she felt like and she was immediately wisked into the cardiac unit and had her bypass done asap and was back at home in a few days. No charge.

My sisters going back to Toronto next month this time for a new replacement pacemaker and at the same time they're going to fix some leaking in one of her heart valves. I'm driving her there, she goes in on Tuesday and all being well she won't even be staying more than one night in the hospital. All we're paying for is the hotel rooms for me and my mother.

The other thing you hear is that we're taxed to death. You'd think from the sounds of the right wing anti-health care nuts we were living in squalor or like cold war russians paying for all this free stuff. Well perhaps many Americans who have never visited Canada might think that but I'm sure like you know there really isn't any difference. You yourself know that if I blindfolded you, drove you around then took the blindfold off and asked you were you in suburban Sarnia Ontario Canada or suburban Flint Michigan you really couldn't tell unless you saw a flag or mailbox could you. For all intents and purposes it looks exactly the same and the lifestyle etc are pretty much identical in every way.

No Canadian has ever gone bankrupt, been denied, or lost their home because they couldn't afford to go to the doctor or hospital.
I'll keep our system thanks.
 
I forgot to mention in all this. Our, at least Ontario, health care covers all the medical costs. It DOES NOT cover vision care, dental care etc unless those things are medically required.. for example you're in an accident and need eye surgery. that would be covered.

Also, the plans DO NOT pay for things like crutches, oxygen tanks, wheelchairs, power chairs, special cars and vans etc.. All that stuff you have to pay for yourself or you have to have supplemental insurance thru a private insurance company or fund-raisers.
 
Pete thanks for the input. I haven't spent a lot of time in Canada, but I've always been impressed with how friendly everyone is. The prices you are talking about for health insurance are reasonable. I dropped my coverage this spring when the premium went to $564/mo no prescription coverage for a single person. It was an HMO, and the rate was about $80/mo when I first joined it 20 years ago. There are other plans out there that are cheaper, but I've been turned down by a few since I have a preexisting condition, a reflux problem that is classified as precancerous.

It's good to hear input from sources other than people talking against something. I miss not being able to tune into channel 9 from Windsor, used to get it OTA and on cable, but now on SAT we are prevented from getting it by govt. rules. And too much interference and tree growth to get it OTA anymore.

To get sorta back on topic, I don't understand why the candidates are not even open to looking at what other countries do for health care. McCain certainly wont because he is owned by the drug lobbyists, but Obama seems to want to do it his own way too. What I would ask is to honestly evaluate what works around the world and then forge an American plan that incorporates the best. Too much to ask I guess.
 
Well Matt you're welcome to drop in. I'm home most of the time. Just do it before next summer when you will be required to have a passport or Nexus card. Not to get into Canada but to get back into Michigan. I just ordered my Nexus card and have my interview coming up in a couple of weeks.
It's for people that don't have passports travelling between Canada and the USA. You get to use the "fast lanes" on the bridge and at the airport but then too you have to give both the US and Cdn govt a lot of personal info, fingerprints too I think and they do a full security check on your history. I'm fine with that, nothing to hide and I hate lineups.

Darn.. today would have been a good day, Daves coming in from Stratford any minute to play vacuums etc.. LOL
 
"I don't understand why the candidates are not even open to looking at what other countries do for health care."

That's an easy question to answer: it's the American attitude. Which runs: "We're Americans. We're better than everyone else. Why would we want some other third-rate western European country's approach to health care--especially when it might hurt the bottom line of our fine insurance industry?"

I hasten to say that this is NOT my attitude.

Unfortunately, it definitely is the attitude of many Americans, and many politicians.

I have to wonder how this attitude will be maintained if conditions continue to get worse in the US. At some point, the way things are going, the US will, 20 or 30 years from now, be a major manufacturing country again. Only it'll the be cheap, plastic junk that's currently being made in China, Taiwan, and Korea. When that happens, I wonder if the attitude of superiority will remain.
 
Ah Ha! She's a member of the Assembly of God church! Here is a video of her in action at the church. About midpoint she explains that Iraq is in God's plan for us. Just amazing.
She doesn't like tattoos on guys, except if it is Jesus related or in the shape of the state of Alaska!

 
It is susposed to be the separation of church and state, not church being the state.

What is scary about these christian conservatives is that if they get in you have to abide by the laws of THEIR religion, not by what you practice for yourself.
 
I'm confused . .

Perhaps I've not been paying attention as closely as others, but when did McCain or Palin ever say that they believe in a Theocracy?

As a conservative Christian myself, I certainly do not believe in Theocracy. I believe that the church should have no authority or influence over the Government, and furthermore, I don't believe the Government should have any authority over the church (outside of the laws that everyone must obey as we are all subject to the laws of our government).

In researching articles on McCain and his faith, it appears that he has been pretty much silent on his faith and how he practices. In fact, from the articles I have read it seems that far right-wing Christians and Christianists (as those are not one and the same) who are highly involved in political matters were not strong supporters of McCain in the primaries as he is not very outspoken about his faith. So how is it that we now believe that McCain is trying to turn our Government into a Theocracy?

Palin seems to be more outspoken about her faith, but I have not seen any evidence of how she desires a Theocracy either. In reviewing her history as Governor of Alaska over the past 2 years, I can't see where she has used her faith to control the government either.

Does a person's cultural worldview affect the way they lead? Of course. How a person views what's right and wrong does affect the way they lead. Since we are all human beings and we all have our own opinions and temperments, anyone that we place into office will certainly be imperfect. And anyone we place into office will not make everyone happy. In fact if someone's goal is to try to make everyone happy I would be quite concerned about their ability to get anything done to move this country forward.

Is it rational to assume that just because someone is a Christian, a Christianist, or a social conservative that they are trying to create a Theocracy? My common sense tells me "no".

Perhaps I'm crazy, but I don't see the connection.
 

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