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YAY!

Another blow for human rights!

This one is serious. No way the christianists can win now, not after the heart of the heartland has seen the light!

Gosh, at this rate, maybe even deep southern California might someday be free!

YEE-HAW!

You go IOWA!
 
And it was a UNANIMOUS ruling! This is a very important ruling as Iowa is in a different league than the New England states or California. This is an amazing day.
 
One of the best points coming out of today's unanimous Supreme Court ruling is this...

"It is quite understandable that religiously motivated opposition to same-sex civil marriage shapes the basis for legal opposition to same-sex marriage, even if only indirectly. Religious objections to same-sex marriage are supported by thousands of years of tradition and biblical interpretation. The belief that the “sanctity of marriage” would be undermined by the inclusion of gay and lesbian couples bears a striking conceptual resemblance to the expressed secular rationale for maintaining the tradition of marriage as a union between dual-gender couples, but better identifies the source of the opposition. Whether expressly or impliedly, much of society rejects same-sex marriage due to sincere, deeply ingrained— even fundamental—religious belief.

Yet, such views are not the only religious views of marriage. As demonstrated by amicus groups, other equally sincere groups and people in Iowa and around the nation have strong religious views that yield the opposite conclusion.**

This contrast of opinions in our society largely explains the absence of any religion-based rationale to test the constitutionality of Iowa’s same-sex marriage ban. Our constitution does not permit any branch of government to resolve these types of religious debates and entrusts to courts the task of ensuring government avoids them. See Iowa Const. art. I, § 3 (“The general assembly shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion . . . .”). The statute at issue in this case does not prescribe a definition of marriage for religious institutions. Instead, the statute declares, “Marriage is a civil contract” and then regulates that civil contract. Iowa Code § 595A.1. Thus, in pursuing our task in this case, we proceed as civil judges, far removed from the theological debate of religious clerics, and focus only on the concept of civil marriage and the state licensing system that identifies a limited class of persons entitled to secular rights and benefits associated with civil marriage."
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Many religions recognize same-sex marriage, such as Buddhists, Quakers, Unitarians, and Reform and Reconstructionist Jews. Schuman, 96 Geo. L.J. at 2108. Amicus curiae Iowa and National Faith Leaders, Communities, and Scholars point out the United Church of Christ encourages, but does not require, its local congregations to adopt wedding policies that do not discriminate between heterosexual, gay, and lesbian couples, while the Episcopal Church permits priests to perform liturgies and blessings at same-sex weddings as a matter of pastoral care. Additionally, many groups and clergy within various religions are working to achieve inclusion of same-sex marriage. Id. at 2108–09.
 
Wonderful news . . .

This is even more exiting than Robert's video of a fully functional Apex Wash-A-Matic, and that's saying quite a lot!

I hope the California Supreme Court justices take note of this new ruling. While California and Iowa have different constitutions, both guarantee equal rights for their citizens. This cogent argument for disallowing exclusion and prejudice based on religious tradition should be applicable to any constitution with a guarantee of equal rights; otherwise the concept denigrates into Orwell's classic case of "all people are equal, but some are more equal than others." What a great day for Iowa and all Americans who really believe in equal rights!
 
Oh, how wonderful!

and it's from Iowa, no less!

This makes me very happy.

Good things can still come out of Iowa, even if not from Amana or Newton.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
Slowly, the dominoes of discrimination and exclusion fall..

...and it's great to see it!

I just hope and pray that the religionists don't try to make an amendment to the state constitution a la California. I mean, I can see them doing it, given that they've fed all the hungry, clothed all the naked, uplifted the poor, given all their extra cloaks to those without, there's just not much left for them to throw millions into other than this issue.

However, let that just be a snark of mine, and let's celebrate this wonderful day!

John
 
In Iowa it is much harder to amend the state constitution than it is in California. The earliest the legislature could put something like that on the ballot would be Nov 2011, and right now both the state house and senate are saying no because their session ends next week. Most likey it will be 2012 at the earliest, a lot of change could happen by November of 2012. Not to mention a lot of marriages.
 
We need to leverage this

Now that the US has a democratic government (small d) again, we need to use this opportunity.
Quietly make it clear to the rational conservatives that they are still - if only just -in a position to reach a negotiated settlement.

Let a few more states decide to grant us human status and the momentum will be unstoppable. So, unfortunately, will the bad blood which tainted freedom for Negroes will into the last century.

Let Obama suggest a federal civil-union, recognized in all 50 states, with all the rights and responsibilities of marriage. In exchange, the conservatives get some blue-mud to rub in their belly-buttons that the status quo - their hateful churches need not marry us if they don't want to - will be set in stone. Is already, but who bothers with those sill Amendments, anyway...

The quid-pro-quo from the conservatives has to be that they will let it be when they are back in power, as, inevitably, they someday will be. And it has to stick. We have seen too often that the christianists lie through their teeth and the Republicans will stop at nothing.

Still,it is an idea worth pursuing. One quick repeal of DOMA, one little bill signed and, le pouf! We are human!
 
Between this ruling and Iowa's support of our current president, it looks like I need to rethink my traditional concept of Middle/Red America... Maybe the heart of our country has finally decided to join the 21st Century? Let's hope so.
 
Middle/Red America

Iowa has had progressive traditions for quite some time...

It has no death penalty, Iowa public schools were desegregated almost a century before the 1954 Brown vs. the Board of Education of Topeka case, Iowa City became a nuclear-free zone before Berkeley did and who can forget Henry A. Wallace, FDR's VP who was dumped because of his extreme left leanings!
 
I was just reading the same thing about Iowa. I had no idea!

"Iowa has a history of being in the forefront on social issues. It was among the first states to legalize interracial marriage and to allow married women to own property. It was also the first state to admit a woman to the bar to practice law and was a leader in school desegregation."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/02/national/a101923D96.DTL
 
I'm just thrilled!

So proud of my home state!

But, of course, Representative Steve King (R-Western Iowa) is already agitating for an amendment to the state constitution. (see link)

Even by Western Iowa standards (which are pretty low) King is a neanderthal. Why they keep electing him is anyone's guess. But they've never had a Democrat in that office since '82 when the great Tom Harkin went to the Senate.

Hopefully, the more populated and progressive parts of the state will be able to beat back the regressives.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/King_warns_of_gay_marriage_Mecca.html
 
I have to add just one more comment to this thread..

If it's clear to Iowa's Supreme Court that the state has no compelling interest in denying marriage rights to same-sex couples, and that "defense of marriage" is just a politically correct label for civil gay bashing, how can the same things not be evident to California's Supreme Court?

If our court rules against gay couples it'll be one of the most embarrassing legal chapters in California's history. How many Americans can look back on laws that prohibited interracial marriages, and not cringe with embarrassment?
 
This is GREAT news. Ummm if anyone in Iowa gets married with lots of machines, AW.org would like to attend, both the wedding and the Large wash-in/reception following. On the upside look at all the vintage mixers, blenders and coffeemasters, the lucky couple would receive. :-)
 
Shooting holes in my post

Robert (Unimatic1140) said: In Iowa it is much harder to amend the state constitution than it is in California. The earliest the legislature could put something like that on the ballot would be Nov 2011, and right now both the state house and senate are saying no because their session ends next week. Most likey it will be 2012 at the earliest, a lot of change could happen by November of 2012. Not to mention a lot of marriages.

Robert, I've never been so happy to have a post shot so through with holes as I was when I read this. Thank you so much for this response, as it eased much anxiety in me.

And Jeff, be selective in your rethinking of middle America. Middle America is a lot like vintage washers. Some polish up beautifully, and with a little TLC, continue brighten your colors and make a tastefully elegant display.

Others, such as Missouri with our "marriage is defined as between one man and one woman (by gawd!)" amendment, have timers rusted frozen, which it seems no amount of solvent will dislodge. Nor do they shine up well, and even if repainted, the ugliness will still come through. They will shred your garments and are an embarrassment to display.

Remember, we voted for Ashcroft as Governor. Then again, there may be the remotest glimmer of hope. When Ashcroft ran for Senate, he was defeated by Mel Carnahan, who was deceased. And that was not a sympathy vote for Jean Carnahan, many of us felt that Carnahan deceased could do a better job than Ashcroft. And we were proven right when he was made AG.

But I digress...again.

Congratulations to all those in Iowa!

John
 
This is wonderful news! Way to go Iowa!

First the East Coast, then the West Coast, now the Mid-West. And the ball just keeps rolling....

(California will reverse the last law, sooner or later. Most likely sooner)
 
What we

should learn from this is that the Republicans and the christianists will stop at nothing.

We lost California because too many gays are just plain to willing to play the role of victim.

Well, and, yes, the idiots who chose an advertising agency which actually sat on a letter from Obama supporting us should be officially turned into breeders and condemned to wear polyester blend the rest of their un-natural lives. On the count of three, all raise their wands and flick with the wrist...
 
Obama's Support on Marriage Issues . . .

Remember too that the pro-Prop. 8 forces had an ugly little sound bite from Obama in which he proclaimed that "marriage is between one man and one woman", or something similar, and they used it as part of a telemarketing effort right before the election. This may explain why so many people voted for both Obama and Prop. 8. As noted there were also letters from Obama against Prop. 8. It appears that Obama either has no idea what he believes or just doesn't care about our rights. I voted for him in spite of this and would do it again, considering the opposition, but he really owes us in the gay community an explanation of whether or not he believes in full civil rights for us. I don't expect that this should take center stage in his first administration, given the problems with the economy and foreign wars, but that doesn't excuse him from being clear and concise on such an important question of civil liberties.
 
Great post Hydralique. Quite a few voters had one "defining issue" in the last election, whether it was Iraq, or the economy etc. For me the issue was (and still is) support for same-sex marriage. I think it easily separates the men from the boys, and separates visionary and courageous leaders from backward, hypocritical, cowardly followers. The worst examples of this second group in last year's election were Sarah Palin and Ron Paul, although Obama's hypocrisy and disingenuity on this issue were also exposed.

At least Obama, unlike our last president, is not actively pushing for a federal constitutional amendment to bash gay people. So at least in that respect we're making progress. Whether we like it or not, most African-Americans are really, REALLY freaked out by homosexuality, and President Obama isn't immune to his cultural conditioning. But there's no doubt that 20 or 30 or 50 years from now, people like Gavin Newsom will be remembered as visionary heroes, while people like George W. Bush will be seen as embarrassing half-wits.
 
Let's not go too far

overboard on criticizing Obama. He wrote a strong letter of support for us which the assholes running the No on Prob.8 publicity willingly buried.

Fcuking bloody assholes. Their position was, nobody would really see it as important, and we were going to win anyway.

Obama, so far, has been more for us than against us when it came to actual votes. I disagree that this should wait until his second term, we need to strike now and hard.

But he definitely shouldn't do anything until we have Minnesota onboard and the Supremes know that the incoming justices (and, regretfully, it is not a question of too much longer, given the situation) will be at least as briliant and fair and on the left if not further than those they replace.
Let one conservative go, and that is the end of the Nixon court.

Same for the senate. We have seldom gone this long without some Republican senator getting caught tap-dancing or fornicating or diddling pages. What on earth does Matt Drudge pay good money for?

Just one more seat (two, counting Franken) and we can do to the Republicans precisely what they did to us. They want pure democracy, I say, give it to 'em.
 
Keven - thanks for posting that. Looks like he is out of Council Bluffs, mostly the reason why I've never heard of him before.

His daughter is so right. My generation, her generation, we really don't care to continue to hold the grudge that our grandfathers and fathers have, finally ending the decades long battle right here in my home state. LOVE IT!

Congrats my GLBT friends, this is a wonderful time for not just you, but for humanity.

Ben
 
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