variflexpghpa
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Is a KA DW model kuda22st superba selectra still the hobart design or is it a whirlpool? Any info is appreciated.
is it still a kitchenaid ?
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It's the Hobart style porcelain tub & racking but with a WhirlPool Powerclean pump, not a bad dishwasher at all!!
variflexpghpa
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I knew it wasnt a pure KA
Just wanted to confirm where it was in the transition to WP design. I am trying to get a pix of the DW, so I can decide if I want it.
Thanks for the info
Just wanted to confirm where it was in the transition to WP design. I am trying to get a pix of the DW, so I can decide if I want it.
Thanks for the info
Here's the owner's manual. The an electronic superba. Andrwe in Orlando had one of these.
http://shared.whirlpoolcorp.com/assets/pdfs/literature/Use and Care Guide - 4171370.pdf
http://shared.whirlpoolcorp.com/assets/pdfs/literature/Use and Care Guide - 4171370.pdf
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I agree with Bob 100%. The Kitchenaid tub / Whirlpool pump dishwashers were very good cleaners.
I have tested many.
My only problem with this style after Whirlpool took over is that it only had 1 RINSE. I really can't deal with just one rinse!!!
Your dishes will be clean, just not rinsed the way I would want them to be after using the 3 rinse Hobart style machines. So I guess it is a matter of personal preference.
It is a very effective wash system, and even sounds somewhat Hobart made. Whirlpool really made a very good pump system!
Brent
I have tested many.
My only problem with this style after Whirlpool took over is that it only had 1 RINSE. I really can't deal with just one rinse!!!
Your dishes will be clean, just not rinsed the way I would want them to be after using the 3 rinse Hobart style machines. So I guess it is a matter of personal preference.
It is a very effective wash system, and even sounds somewhat Hobart made. Whirlpool really made a very good pump system!
Brent
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guys, lets not get hasty. The 22 series KitchenAid retained the reversible disposer/filter Hobart pump-motor that was introduced in the KD21 model line. The machines that have the Whirlpool power clean style pump are the later KD23 series.
guys, lets not get hasty. The 22 series KitchenAid retained the reversible disposer/filter Hobart pump-motor that was introduced in the KD21 model line. The machines that have the Whirlpool power clean style pump are the later KD23 series.
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The machine is the Hobart design, pump and all, with an Emerson motor. 1/2 HP "gold seal" unit. It's a good dishwasher, for sure, but it has only one rinse, which just isn't always enough. The wash phases of the cycles are very short, maximum of 7 minutes, even in Soak&Scrub. The 23 series introduced the longer main wash...about 20 minutes, which the machine very much needs. Just doesn't do a great job on pots and pans. Does a good job on dishes, glasses and utensils, though.
It's a good dishwasher, and it makes beautiful sounds, but my LG dishwasher cleans circles around it.
But you buy this machine for the nostalgia, the history, the sheer thrill of it all...and if that's what you're looking for, it will definitely give you that!!
It's a good dishwasher, and it makes beautiful sounds, but my LG dishwasher cleans circles around it.
But you buy this machine for the nostalgia, the history, the sheer thrill of it all...and if that's what you're looking for, it will definitely give you that!!
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Thank YOU!
Thanks, Magiclean.. yes you are correct about the pump designs. The 22 had the Hobart designed cleaning system with the built in garbage disposer and the 23 had the powermodule which still did a good job of cleaning But to my view, WP cheapened everything in them at that time right down to the thickness of the porcelain and the quality of the racks. If you ever see one on the curb or behind Lowes, you will see the tubs are all chipped and rusted and the racks falling apart.
And as far as the rinses go, I feel the same way. One is just not enough. Two is the minimum for me.
Andrew knows how I always remove the flow restrictors on these machines so that the purges between cycle segments bring in nearly a full load of water and effectively give extra rinses at the end as well as between the wash segments.
Admittedly,it will extend the cycle times on any model that stops to heat the water(which is why my wife hates the KDS21-M we use as the daily driver) and may not raise the temperature as high on the models that heat and wash ( but no delay) like the I and C series as it is too much water to heat in too short a time.
But yes, the 21 and 22 should be about the best washing systems you will find. Must have been, since everyone else copied it in some way.
Thanks, Magiclean.. yes you are correct about the pump designs. The 22 had the Hobart designed cleaning system with the built in garbage disposer and the 23 had the powermodule which still did a good job of cleaning But to my view, WP cheapened everything in them at that time right down to the thickness of the porcelain and the quality of the racks. If you ever see one on the curb or behind Lowes, you will see the tubs are all chipped and rusted and the racks falling apart.
And as far as the rinses go, I feel the same way. One is just not enough. Two is the minimum for me.
Andrew knows how I always remove the flow restrictors on these machines so that the purges between cycle segments bring in nearly a full load of water and effectively give extra rinses at the end as well as between the wash segments.
Admittedly,it will extend the cycle times on any model that stops to heat the water(which is why my wife hates the KDS21-M we use as the daily driver) and may not raise the temperature as high on the models that heat and wash ( but no delay) like the I and C series as it is too much water to heat in too short a time.
But yes, the 21 and 22 should be about the best washing systems you will find. Must have been, since everyone else copied it in some way.
stevet
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That didn't take so long!
And better than I thought!
Just timed a full cycle with Sani-Heat on the KDS21-M.
Pressed the button to start at 7:42 tonite and it clicked off at 9:02. Not that bad with no prerunning of the water and just after my daughter took her long shower!
Total Run Time: 82 minutes
Still nothing like the KDS18 and certainly way shorter than the Electrolux or even my Kenwhirl Talltub!
And better than I thought!
Just timed a full cycle with Sani-Heat on the KDS21-M.
Pressed the button to start at 7:42 tonite and it clicked off at 9:02. Not that bad with no prerunning of the water and just after my daughter took her long shower!
Total Run Time: 82 minutes
Still nothing like the KDS18 and certainly way shorter than the Electrolux or even my Kenwhirl Talltub!
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Steve, when are you going to try out that new KA you have sitting in the box in the garage??? Inquiring minds want to know!!!!
stevet
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Inquiring minds will know!
Andrew, the Kitchenaid is STILL in the box all sealed up! When you visited last, I had a WP DU950 that I was using and got to see how the soil sensing system worked on that unit. After that I got my hands on a GU1500 talltub with the horizontal pump setup and used that for a long time. Now using a Kenmore Tall tub with the horizontal motor as well which soumds like it is ready to die!(I won't put a penny into it when it craps out though.)
Here is the deal.. They all have the same racking setup as the KitchenAid which,as you know Irene, my dear wife can't seem to deal with. She also can't seem to deal with the KDS21-M and wants her 18 back. She says it takes too long but I timed it the other nite and it only took 82 minutes start to finish on Normal with Sani Heat.
I would have to say that they do a pretty good job of cleaning even if the cycles are long and sometimes the drying leaves something to be desired especially on the quick wash and if the high heat isn't selected on other cycles. I do like how they sense the soils and dump and fill the tub with fresh, clean water. It proves that the programming and sensing ability is there.
I would say that my Electrolux makes them pale in comparison in every area and especially in the build quality and silent running. Also, the capacity ig a bit greater so my choice would be to install the E-Lux in as the daily driver. And I have even observed the E-lux providing 3 after rinses!
What I think I will eventually do is ship the KitchenAid out to my Mom and Dad in Arizona and install it there when I visit again. Since it is really my sister's house, and she does so much for us all the time, I think it is the least I can do for them and her. There is an older Frigidaire there with the single washarm and that bobble-head sprayer for the top rack.
It was doing a really crappy job for them. I told my mom to use the heated wash option and miraculously, the dishes started coming out clean and shiny! They were far from the hot water heater and the machine never really got very hot water to it.
But she will also enjoy the increased capacity and versatility of the Kitchenaid as well. So that's why it is still packed up, ready to go when the time is right.
I don't see any reason anymore to try it out since I have the clone Kenmore running in the garage, with BTW...the 4 way Hydrowseep arm in it. It is always nice to wash in 4 dimensions
instead of 2. And the machine is actually a bit quieter too.
(Gale force storm in a box)
Hope that clears up the mystery for you.
P.S.
When are we going to get together again and compare notes?
Andrew, the Kitchenaid is STILL in the box all sealed up! When you visited last, I had a WP DU950 that I was using and got to see how the soil sensing system worked on that unit. After that I got my hands on a GU1500 talltub with the horizontal pump setup and used that for a long time. Now using a Kenmore Tall tub with the horizontal motor as well which soumds like it is ready to die!(I won't put a penny into it when it craps out though.)
Here is the deal.. They all have the same racking setup as the KitchenAid which,as you know Irene, my dear wife can't seem to deal with. She also can't seem to deal with the KDS21-M and wants her 18 back. She says it takes too long but I timed it the other nite and it only took 82 minutes start to finish on Normal with Sani Heat.
I would have to say that they do a pretty good job of cleaning even if the cycles are long and sometimes the drying leaves something to be desired especially on the quick wash and if the high heat isn't selected on other cycles. I do like how they sense the soils and dump and fill the tub with fresh, clean water. It proves that the programming and sensing ability is there.
I would say that my Electrolux makes them pale in comparison in every area and especially in the build quality and silent running. Also, the capacity ig a bit greater so my choice would be to install the E-Lux in as the daily driver. And I have even observed the E-lux providing 3 after rinses!
What I think I will eventually do is ship the KitchenAid out to my Mom and Dad in Arizona and install it there when I visit again. Since it is really my sister's house, and she does so much for us all the time, I think it is the least I can do for them and her. There is an older Frigidaire there with the single washarm and that bobble-head sprayer for the top rack.
It was doing a really crappy job for them. I told my mom to use the heated wash option and miraculously, the dishes started coming out clean and shiny! They were far from the hot water heater and the machine never really got very hot water to it.
But she will also enjoy the increased capacity and versatility of the Kitchenaid as well. So that's why it is still packed up, ready to go when the time is right.
I don't see any reason anymore to try it out since I have the clone Kenmore running in the garage, with BTW...the 4 way Hydrowseep arm in it. It is always nice to wash in 4 dimensions
instead of 2. And the machine is actually a bit quieter too.
(Gale force storm in a box)
Hope that clears up the mystery for you.
P.S.
When are we going to get together again and compare notes?
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Steve, you really should see the LG dishwasher in action....it's really quite an amazing dishwasher, much like your Electrolux, except with a Korean pedigree!! Washes like no other dishwasher I've ever used, with a huge capacity.
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Have you exposed its innards yet?
Andrew, I know they make good products..Actually love the LG washer we have, but when I open it up I see Whirlpool Clone with the pump they use. Have you dissected it yet? Did they copy the design?
Would not surprise me since LG makes the pumps on the Kenwhirlaid tall tubs.
The Electrolux cleans everything well and has great capacity too. But that little old Bosch I have and cant seem to sell really does an incredible job too, but lacks interior capacity especially since it feeds the upper arm thru the funnel in the top rack.
And let me know when you are going to do a "BOB LOAD" in it. maybe I will take a run down there to check it out.
Andrew, I know they make good products..Actually love the LG washer we have, but when I open it up I see Whirlpool Clone with the pump they use. Have you dissected it yet? Did they copy the design?
Would not surprise me since LG makes the pumps on the Kenwhirlaid tall tubs.
The Electrolux cleans everything well and has great capacity too. But that little old Bosch I have and cant seem to sell really does an incredible job too, but lacks interior capacity especially since it feeds the upper arm thru the funnel in the top rack.
And let me know when you are going to do a "BOB LOAD" in it. maybe I will take a run down there to check it out.
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Steve- now that's a silly question!! Of course I did. Unfortunately did not have a camera to photograph it.
The LG uses a short, but full sized, vertically mounted motor attached to a rather large impeller with the stainless steel shredder attached, similar to the Maytag dishwasher design. It is designed to be serviceable from inside the tub. Everything appears to be accessible from there. The one thing about the LG is that it has a habit of flipping over plasticware on the upper rack, and has knocked over lighter weight glassware during a cycle, so it's definitely not a weakling. It's an easy machine to work on (assuming one knows what they're doing).
Like the E-Lux machines, it has an incredible capacity, but most importantly, it has the ability to clean whatever you put in there, without yibbles left behind. I usually select the extra rinse option with big loads, because, like some KitchenAids, it can be stingy with rinses.
The LG uses a short, but full sized, vertically mounted motor attached to a rather large impeller with the stainless steel shredder attached, similar to the Maytag dishwasher design. It is designed to be serviceable from inside the tub. Everything appears to be accessible from there. The one thing about the LG is that it has a habit of flipping over plasticware on the upper rack, and has knocked over lighter weight glassware during a cycle, so it's definitely not a weakling. It's an easy machine to work on (assuming one knows what they're doing).
Like the E-Lux machines, it has an incredible capacity, but most importantly, it has the ability to clean whatever you put in there, without yibbles left behind. I usually select the extra rinse option with big loads, because, like some KitchenAids, it can be stingy with rinses.
