Is this a bargain or what!

[hotpointwf220]

I was in walsall on a day out and i went to this Asda living place.

There standing infront in white was this beko 1200 WMA620W
and next to it was an indesit with 1200. The indesit was priced over £210 WITH LOOSE PADDLES!! and the beko with stiff paddles?????

£185 is that a bargain or what, to me it is and id have one as it has the bosch drum (the siemens from netherlands on youtube lol)

 

[ronhic]

Bosch drum?

Ok, I'm confused.

Beko's have a Bosch drum?

I would have thought that given that Beko is an Arcelik (Turkey) company that have also owned the German Blomberg brand since 2002, that they would have been more likely to have taken product engineering from Blomberg....

....sigh, I miss my Blomberg...(which in the UK was technically a Brandt...)

...and I would LOVE one of the new ones.....

http://www.blomberginternational.com/en/

 

[dyson2drums]

But blomberg take a long time to wash but i like their designs and they need to catch up on larger capacities like 8kg and 9. like others.

 

[ronhic]

maybe..

If we look at the average usage of most machines, people only tend to put 4 to 5 kg of washing in. Given that Blomberg machines are all 7kg, then it could be argued that this is sufficient capacity for the vast majority of people.

I firmly believe that many people tend to buy a much bigger machine than is required (rather than slightly larger) as they think they will use it and it represents better value. Most don't use the capacity which then negates some of the value. But the bigger the machine, the greater the stresses that are placed on it at any load size especially when spinning.

Miele don't sell a machine in Oz that is greater than 6.5kg...and I don't think they actually make one for domestic consumption. They will have reasons for this and I personally think that part of those will be that of general component reliability over the longer term.

Personally, my feelings are that they will fail earlier and more expensively (bearings, motors) but only time will tell. Many people have 4 and 5 kg machines that are going well after their 15th birthdays. It will be interesting to see if this is the case with the larger capacity machines and what ailments have affected them.

 

[dyson2drums]

yeah that is also true, and no wonder old hoovers and hotpoints lasted a long time due to their small 4 kg capacities.

 

[newwave1]

They survived due to better build quality!! I wouldn't call beko or indesit quality!

I'm sure high end siemens 8kg machines will stand the test of time!

Darren

 

[dyson2drums]

yeah Bosch and siemens, i really like the bosch logixx but why don't they make it in silver and with a super silent inverter motor etc. that would make me want one and can't forget power wash 60oc and super quick 15. LoL

And yeah darren you are right older machines had better quality.

 

[ronhic]

siemens

Darren...

It would be nice to think so especially given what people pay for them, but I still have my doubts.

 

[newwave1]

dyson2drums: i too love the bosch logixx! I would love to get one! Adding the inverter motor and silver would be nice!

I'm sure if the big manufacturers made big capacity machines 20years ago they'd still be rumbling away because they would have had the proper parts for the job at hand i.e: Solid suspension. Not crude plastic rodes. The suspension died on my hotpoint after 8months. Proper bearings. Hell. I could go on and on. You get my drift.

ronhic: I have to agree. I've even heard of miele having the odd issue. By now manufacturers could be making some real quality pieces. But quality doesn't give repeat custom does it. It would be far more "Eco Friendly" To create a economical, efficient machine that is built like a tank and possibly updatable not just as a marketing gimmick either. That to me is far more economical than a basic washer being replaced every 2-3years.

End of rant

Darren

 

[newwave1]

I forgot to mention! My brother and his girlfriend had a blomberg for 8years before they got a bosch. It died of bearing failure after spinning at 1500rpm every single wash it did!!!

They had this model in white!

Darren

 

[ronhic]

Beko quality

It would be good to know about this on current machines.

Fisher and Paykel sell rebadged Beko machines under their own brand.

...and my mother just replaced her 21 year old Asea with one as a result. She loves it.

I know that Beko quality wasn't fantastic (but it was better than Servis and Indesit/Ariston) but it appears to have become much better. Dials move smoothly, doors shut positively etc. I would suggest that they deserve to be considered if people are looking at the cheaper end

 

[ronhic]

Blomberg

Darren,

We had the model below this 1301A I think...though a mate brought his machine as pictured but in white to Australia with him and it is still going strong.

Our Bosch are not made in Europe unless you buy very TOL...and they have a dreadful service dept. here...the feedback on Choice blogs has been pretty damning

 

[dyson2drums]

the blomberg.....

am i right that it's got a progress indicator on the left of the control panel like laundrette machines, they show the stage like wash, rinse 1 etc.
I've seen a blomberg just once at a friends house couple of years ago and just got a quick glimpse at it whilst walking in kitchen LoL

 

[ronhic]

progress indicator

Only the 1501 had the progress indicator.

the 1301 that we had did not....

Darren - I reckon to get 8yrs out of a machine that spun at 1500rpm for the money that was paid for it was pretty good. I am pretty certain that we only paid around GBP250 (or less) for it in 2001. They were a very highly featured machine for the money given the spin speed, variable temperature control etc and for me to get say an AEG was going to cost about GBP400 or more....

I couldn't justify it....and regret not bring the Blomberg back with me.

I can't think of anything else for the money that would have done that well

 

[ronhic]

progress indicator

Only the 1501 had the progress indicator.

the 1301 that we had did not....

Darren - I reckon to get 8yrs out of a machine that spun at 1500rpm for the money that was paid for it was pretty good. I am pretty certain that we only paid around GBP250 (or less) for it in 2001. They were a very highly featured machine for the money given the spin speed, variable temperature control etc and for me to get say an AEG was going to cost about GBP400 or more....

I couldn't justify it....and regret not bring the Blomberg back with me.

I can't think of anything else for the money that would have done that well

 

[dyson2drums]

ok thanks for the info about progress indicator, and yeah the price 250 seems cheap for the quality, features etc.

 

[ronhic]

cheap is a nasty word

I prefer 'inexpensive' when talking about quality...

Indesit are 'cheap'

lol

 

[dyson2drums]

yeah my mistake sorry but you're right inexpensive but great quality and features etc. Its a shame they don't sell them in UK anymore.

and yeah indesit are cheap but sometimes come with luck or not!

 

[ronhic]

Servis

According to which magazine, Servis machines have moved up from 'Below Average' to 'Average' which is a good thing at least for the lower end of the market...

...but Beko has the same reliability rating as Siemens and AEG...mind, there is 1% in it...