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Ben, I've been agonizing over the possibility of a fried timer all afternoon... The light at the end of the tunnel for that scenario is the 67 Whirlpool donor timer, though. The motor runs wherever the timer dial is, even 'Off'! I can get the machine to spin simply by advancing the timer to the 'Spin'. Tub and panel lights seem to be the only thing still being controlled by the push/pull of the timer knob. Just wondering now that since the 67 WP did not have a lighted tub or panel if this is going be an issue...

Dumb question - should I try swapping motors anyway, since the one currently installed may be a problem??

Dumber question - could a motor short have caused a timer contact weld??

I think I may just give the machine a rest for a spell. I pulled the Dominion to make room for the Inglis and the Dominion pump needs some TLC and I'd like to do some more tinkering with the original water valve... Hopefully I won't fry THAT timer... OY!

Oh, and the pump is a four-port version. Tell Santa I've been mostly good this year... LOL

And I shouldn't forget that I picked up a very interesting Frigidaire laundry appliance addition to the collection in Ottawa yesterday. It had to go right to the storage locker alas, but come spring, my 'Canadian Corner' in the Ogden laundry will have a new member (hint: it's a close match to a certain time-capsule washer...)
 
I would apply power direct to the motor and see what happens. This is the nice thing about belt drive Whirlpools, they did not have a relay. So a cord with two crimp female connectors put on, and then slide them onto the motor.

This way you can isolate the timer.

Another thing you could do is connect a light (like a night light) to the wire that would connect to the motor, and energize the washer. See how the timer responds without fear of overloading it or damaging the motor.

You've done a great job, so far.

The last time I tried a Whirlpool rebuild, was on a 1976 sudsaver model. This was about 8 years ago. It was leaking everywhere. The float switch, the pump, the center column, the bleach tube, the tub bolts... ugh.

You're so close now. You even have another motor.
 
Well, colour me "embarrassed"

Yes, as we all know, there are two ways to do things: the right way or the 'turquoisedude' way...

I pulled the Inglis out of its 'slot' and took off the motor access hatch and the timer box back panel, looking for anything unusual that might hit me smack in the face...

SMACK!

Check the arced sections on this spade connector. Mr-Know-It-All here decided to not hook up the suds return valve just yet. This wire is mated to a sleeved connector for the suds return valve solenoid, but I simply left it in the timer box. Dumb, very dumb of me... This wire obviously shifted and hit a contact or three on the timer. That explains the popped breaker on Thursday.

Since the machine had been spinning, I am guessing that when the machine stopped, the wire shifted again and seemed to land across the drive motor 'hot' feed into the timer. Hence why the motor ran all the time...

With the offending wire removed, normal operation resumed. Water valves started to buzz in the 'fill' part of the cycle with no motor. The motor engaged normally in 'spin'.

So, big sigh of relief on this end... I had taken the precaution of bringing in the console from the WP donor and the 'new' motor I had installed back in 2011 from the garage to warm up; I'll see if I still need that motor and frankly my gut feeling is saying 'Swap It'...

Now, back to work!

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Right, so last night after a day in the kitchen (Christmas goodies time) and before heading to a neighbour's for dinner, I figured I had time to play with the Inglis. I rechecked the belt tension and it seemed fine; I did a test of wash, drain and spin functions - the 'squeal' seemed to get worse. I popped the belt from the motor and just ran it. To me, it seemed to make a hell of a racket... Then I tried the motor that came out of this washer - in comparison, it purred like a kitten.
So I swapped the motors. I adjusted the belt tension and tried a dry test - the squeal was back already... I still tried an agitation test and I will swear that the squeal was now far worse than before. Now here's the fun part: the tub was no longer emptying in neutral drain and the ever-present squeal was still heard (people in Stanstead started to complain, it was that bad...LOL). Oddly enough, water was being recirculated into the tub, no problem.

So, as we've eliminated the motor, it looks like the pump is the problem after all. I am not all that surprised - it was the very pump that did the machine in back in 2010...

So, I'll be heading to the mall to see Santa next week.... LOL
 
Squeaking Inglis

Wow Paul this one is really testing your patience, But hopefully a new pump will help things.

The water pump was one of the weakest parts of WP built drive washers and even though many ran for years without failure it probably is not a good idea to try to rebuild or otherwise fix them. The only ones I ever fool with are the ones that have no problems, but if they leak, make noise or have other problems just replace them.

Hopefully Andy and the other Maytag guys are taking note that I criticized a WP product, LOL.

John L.
 
Don't be fooled, Paul!

John did not write this of his own free will. Ben has him in a full-nelson forcing him to pen such sacrilege.
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WOW.......

AMAZING restore!!!! Our 74 Kenmore bit the dust. EVERYTHING in that was metal was rusted COMPLETELY together. We could get the top off, but after that , you're in the hole.
 
The elves have been working very hard...

And have found not one, but two brand-new aftermarket replacement pumps for the Inglis (in Canada to boot!). Since the elves have switched to Canada Post for most deliveries, they say that they might get to me by the end of the week. That would be perfect timing - this coming weekend will be the last one I spend in Ogden before New Year's!
 
This just in...

Woo-Hoo!! The pumps arrived today and well, like hell I was going to wait for Christmas to open them! I'll do one of my 4-minute-flat pump swap-outs this weekend down in Ogden. Of course if the squealing is still there, you all can guess what the first word out of my mouth will be... LOL

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Yeah, well...

So in keeping with the Holiday Season, I did my best to re-enact a scene from a beloved Holiday movie this morning while working on the Inglis...

You know the scene in "A Christmas Story" where the father of the family (played by Darren McGavin) is down in the basement cursing to the point where everyone around the table is gape-jawed in disbelief at the foul oaths and incantations echoing through the furnace ductwork? That would have been me about 20 minutes ago...

I started by swapping the pumps - the new aftermarket one went in nicely enough. I filled the Inglis up and there were no leaks from the pump or its various hoses (one bit of good news I suppose). It gets gradually worse from here on in... As the machine completed filling, nothing happened. The timer was running but the machine did not start to agitate. What the ???? I was not amused. Just for the heck of it, I tried the Wash'N'Wear section of the dial. Nada. However on the Gentle section, the machine began to agitate! Turns out I had yanked the Blue lead for the high speed winding on the motor out by accident. My relief was short-lived, however...

The washer ran through a brief wash, neutral drain, and a spin; and it was still squeaking every now and then!! That was when the oaths and incantations began to flow... I tried to isolate the noise (I practically had my head IN the motor compartment but I will be damned if I could determine where exactly it was coming from...

Now it gets better... I tried to fill the machine up again for a short test wash - this time around, I got no agitation at any speed. The pump was still recirculating water through the Magic-Mix filter though. I tried to drain the machine by setting it to just before the end of wash spin. Nope. Just recirculating water again.

Now I am stumped... This is exactly what the original-Inglis-pump-I-thought-was-shot did last week. I monkeyed around in the back and manually pulled back the agitate cam bar - I got the darn thing agitating again but still no draining! I am thinking I have a wig-wag solenoid issue now. Not surprising since I have practically replaced every other blessed component on this washer!

But the squeak is still bothering me... It sounds like something rubbing metal to metal. To my unscientific ear, it sounded like it was coming from or around the main pulley for the tranny. This makes me wonder if I did a bad thing mixing and matching narrow-belt components with regular wide-belt ones. Part of me is saying, 'Just slap the '67 Whirlpool transmission in!' However, I should at least put a new spin tube on it (and lord knows, getting one here was a pain in the a...anyway....

So I won't be ringing in the New Year with clean laundry from the Inglis!! Think I'll go hook up the Maytag that's been out of service for nearly a year now... OY!
 
Hi Paul ~

A sad Christms Story, but it'll get better; it always does.

That pump I have for you is 3 & 7/8 across, and 12 & 1/2 around, just meaasured it, moved by your plight.
 
Oh boy Paul, you're really being thrown through the wringer on this one (no pun intended).

 

If I were in your shoes, I'll pull the trans and basket drive out.  Since you've gone through everything, pulling it out will be a cinch.

 

First off, swap the wig wag from the '67 Whirlpool.  Secondly, take an afternoon to tear the basket drive apart.  It really isn't too difficult - the worst part is getting the set screw back into the hole in the spin tube.  I used Robert's '57 Kenmore rebuild as a reference while rebuilding a basket drive recently.  I'll post photos hopefully in the next few days as I had to go the extra step of pressing a new bearing into the pulley.

 

Inspect the bearing on the spin pulley.  If it looks anything like this.... then, yeah.  That's bad.  If it is, hopefully the spin tube isn't scored too badly.  If the bearing looks good (when they are new they would look like the spin tube bearings), then reuse it. 

 

Depending on which pulley you use (original one or a donor one), clean all the parts, lubricate the bearing and the trust washers with some 3 in 1 Motor oil, put the basket drive back together, and throw the trans back in the washer.  You can do a try test with no water to see if you still have a squeak.

 

The only catch to all of this is that you've already swapped to the smaller pulley size.  You may need to swap back depending on the condition of the spin pulley bearing (eek!).

 

Good luck my friend!

 

Ben

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Plan 'C'....

Right, so I've calmed down considerably since Saturday (a few glasses of Hi-Octane Eggnog helped...) and with good advice from Ben, I've decided I'm going to swap transmissions.

This will be after New Years unfortunately, but I'll inspect that 67 WP donor transmission and swap it after any necessary parts changes.

And in the meantime, I'll be keeping an eye out for the service manual for this style and vintage of machine... The Repair Master is OK, but I think I need more details...
 

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