KDC 12P Found!

[jetcone]

Went to craigslist this, new home owners throwing out old homeowners stuff. I asked him what made him not just put it out on the curb for trash, and this is what he said: I went on line and found this guy who had one and had put a big window in it to see what was going on inside so I figured someone else might like it!

He sure was right, now I wonder who that guy was with the window dishwasher hmmmm???

 

 

[jetcone]

I think the C

stands for SS!

 

[jetcone]

Lots of SS

here

 

[jetcone]

Money shot

for you peekers!

 

[jetcone]

MS 2

nice rackage! Not sure how to load this "Staga-rack"!
Any manuals out there? 

 

[jetcone]

Bobshot

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[jetcone]

reason for abandonment

 

 

 

The only problem seems to be BODVS - blown out drain valve syndrome! They say it works just can't wash-thats an understatement!

 

 

[appnut]

Not sure how to load this "Staga-rack"!

Jon,  I may be totally off-base here, but I remember the POD earlier this week of the 14 series and in one of the 3 depictions of during the day of the the dishwasher "day", it had the smaller plates loading at a say 45 degree angle on the side off of the edge of the center dinner plates, fanned all the way back from front to back. 

 

[jetcone]

Yes thats how you load

my KDS-14P dinner plates in center , smaller plates and bowls to the sides at an angle;  but you couldn't get a plate at a 45 in this rack I don't think, I'll have to try and see.

 

 

[appnut]

Jon, the only other option I can think of is I remember seing a couple of other drawings and sketches which had only like two or three rows of smaller plates the typical perpendicular arrangement on either side of the dinner plates, but maybe two to three parallel to a row. 

 

[tomturbomatic]

This is a 12 folks, not a 14. The racks were very restrictive. Large plates in the middle section, saucers and smaller plates in the side rails. You can, of course put pans down there, but you block water to the top rack.

The manual reads,"The lower rack is for your platters, dinner, salad and dessert plates, saucers and other flat pieces and also for large milk bottles, pots, pans and pitchers too large for the upper rack."

1. "Place your dinner, salad and dessert plates in the center section of this rack (platter in the backspace), soiled surfaces facing front. Lean them slightly backward."

2. "Place saucers and additional plates on either side of the center section, parallel with the sides of the rack. Lean them slightly outward with the soiled surfaces facing the center section."

"LOADING Pots, Pans, Bottles and Large Bowls in Combination with your TABLEWARE"

"Because of the flexibility in loading allowed by the advanced design of the two-position upper rack in your KitchenAid, it is easy to load pots and pans and similar utensils in combination with your tableware."

"Place your pots, pans and utensils, bottomside up, preferably in the upper rack--if space permits. If lower rack is used for pots and pans, do not load that portion of the rack directly above--as the wash action in that area is diminished." (Now there is an understatement!)

"Many KitchenAid dishwasher owners find it most convenient to wash pots and pans and other cooking utensils while enjoying their lunch or dinner." (Life is so much more elegant when one does not serve from the pans themselves. What this does to the concept of second helpings of hot food, "There's plenty more on the stove," I don't know. This obviously was not written from a Jewish mother's point of view where family and guests are not sufficiently fed unless they need assistance getting up from the table after a minimum of two helpings, if not three.)

 

[stevet]

BODVS???

Well that is a new moniker for what we see in that picture. Looks more like it had water freeze in it as the plastic water trap looks like it split too. Maybe this house was in foreclosure over the winter and they had the heat turned off. Lord only knows what else may have frozen in the house as well.

It is still a machine worth having. I am sure that there will be someone on here with the drain valve from a donor machine to put this back in service. I wonder if the drain pump itself under the motor was destroyed too. Well it will probably work fine as a gravity drain unit. Too nice and clean to really give up.

 

[jetcone]

Yes Steve

the rest of the machine looks healthy, I contacted that guy in NY about his machine we'll see what happens. I think the pump looks healthy, I put water in the tub and it only came out the pump drain hole, so the seals are good. Of course the water flowed out the drain valve, the other side you can't see has a 1 inch hole in it, you can see the valve plate. It looks like the cast iron expanded due to rust and it has split the bakelite trap. How important is that trap? Can the machine run without it or will the drain air lock?

 

Thanks Tom for the info now I think I know how to load it!

 

 

[tomturbomatic]

Jon, do you notice how the loops/pins in the center jog back and forth so that every other one is close to the side rail? These outer ones held the inner row of saucers between them and the top rail with the bottom of the saucers resting against the loops/pins. The outer row of saucers rested between the side of the rack and the lower rail parallel to it. The nice thing is that a lower rack from a 14 will fit in this machine.

 

[jetcone]

So as I understand

the saucers and small plates would be at 90 degrees leaning against the outer rails facing inwards to the center section,with the large plates facing forwards leaning towards the back of the machine?

 

 

[tomturbomatic]

Jon, sort of a lazy 90 degrees. They leaned back also. Of course, I guess it depends on the thickness of the dishes. Dishes were thinner back then; there was not so much of the heavy clunky stoneware.

 

[jetcone]

tell me about it

your only choice now at Macy's is heavy clunky stoneware. I have a set and although I like it you have to put pure uranium chunks on the plates an hour before serving otherwise what you serve will be instantly stone cold!

 

 

[appnut]

Jon, I think today's POD may be a good example of loading pattern. This is what I had in mind for the 90 degree angle stuff.

 

[appnut]

you have to put pure uranium chunks on the plates an hour be

All more the reason why your guests should be treated to dishware heated using the plate warm cycle!!! (or warmed in an oven).

 

[norgeway]

Now That!

Is a dishwasher, not like these weak kneed things they sell today!

 

[gansky1]

Nice dishwasher.  Just for fun, compare the stainless front on yours to one at the appliance store today - you could ram your tricycle into yours over and over and never hurt it, don't try that with a new Frigidaire!

 

I couldn't get the trap on my 14P to stop seeping water so I chucked it, just run a hose from the drain valve (well, a good drain valve) to the pump inlet and you'll be fine. 

 

You'll like your 14 rack better than the rails on the 12, they limited loading options a lot.  I think Robert has a 14 lower rack in their 12 with the window.

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[swestoyz]

I couldn't get the trap on my 14P to stop seeping

Yep, that's exactly how I remember it!

 

[tomturbomatic]

Hans, yes it was a heavily built machine, but the 5 minute wash and two 1 minute rinses were meant for very fresh food soil. Hobart's heritage was in food service and it was sort of a stumbling block for them because they were thinking of multiple loads heating up a DW and keeping it hot so that the wash water did not cool, but with single uses in homes, these early machines had so much mass to heat up that even with 160F incoming water the wash was not a hot wash. I always do a bit of "dial-pushing" on my KD2P and run it through one or both rinses before restarting it at wash to have things nicely warmed up with 140F water before the wash. KitchenAid was late with a detergent dispenser also which prevented a power pre-rinse to warm up the machine and the dishes.

At the time (early 50s), the higher rated Hotpoint DW had two 5 minute washes, each with fresh detergent and an 850 watt heater which ran to boost the water temperature a bit. In addition, the cycle started with a one minute overhead spray flush with the drain open to heat the load. The KitchenAid had a more powerful wash system, but due to higher wash temperatures and a longer period of detergent solution in contact with the dishes, the Hotpoint would clean better. Hotpoint's loading was more flexible also with the lower rack more able to accommodate pans and bowls without cutting off the water supply to the top rack.

Jon, don't you have an Instant Hot? Since my Centura can't go in the microwave, I just run some hot water into the plate and warm it that way. The stuff that can go in the MW, I just put some water in it and give it a few seconds and then only have to pour off the water and I have a hot plate for food and, yes it makes a big difference, especially with delicate foods like fish. Mom always had plates warming before a meal, making use of waste heat in one form or another to do it.

 

[Unimatic1140]

I went on line and found this guy who had one and had put a big window in it to see what was going on inside so I figured someone else might like it!

What kind of weirdo would do something like that?????

Yes in my "Pimp my KitchenAid" dishwasher, with the window, I use the 14 Racks (both upper and lower) BUT I use the 12's Silverware basket which I think is much better.

 

[jetcone]

I think my 14 has always had a 12 basket,

I got it from "that Kenmore lover" and never questioned him, but the 12 has the same basket as my "14".