KDS-16 help

[mitch]

Awesome!

I love the way you improvised this machine to work! I wish I had the intelligence to come up with what you accomplished with the switches while you are waiting on the parts to surface!

Good job and thanks for posting!

Mitch

 

[barcoboy]

So what is the difference between the "Heavy Soil" program and "Full Cycle"? The Heavy Soil program looks similar to my KDS-58's Normal Cycle program: 3 pre-rinses, 1 wash, 3 after rinses, and dry. I'd be curious to see the chart for the Full Cycle program Kenmore71 if you wouldn't mind posting it.

Interesting too that the rinse agent dispenser is called on twice in the Heavy Soil program timer chart, for both rinse #2 and rinse #3... were there other KA's that did that as well?

 

[kenmore71]

As requested...

Here is the cycle sequence for the Full Cycle.

The full cycle on this model only used 2 pre-rinses and 2 after-rinses for a total of 5 fills of water.

The Heavy Soil cycle technically did 3 pre-rinses and 3 after-rinses. BUT if you look closely you will notice that the first AND last rinses are only partial-fill rinses. The first pre-rinse only fills for one minute and then immediately drains. It's a purge that to my thinking also serves the double function of something similar to the famous Kelvinator "Magic Minute" by wetting the dishes with what amounts to a double strength detergent solution for about a minute.

Then the final rinse is also a partial fill that then goes into 2 minutes of water heating before a minute of final rinsing with nice and hot water.

 

[appnut]

Heavy Soil vs. Full Cycle

The difference is the two fills. And both of those are only one timer increment and thus partial fills. that first pre-rinse/wash with the partial fill pretty much wastes the detergent from the open dispenser cup as far as I"m concerned. Heavy soil doesn't buy you any added time during main wash. According to Tomturbomatic, those partial fills pretty much only reach effectively the bottom rack, not much water gets to the top rack. that's why he'd add about another gallon of water on his KAs when using the Sani cycle that used that partial fill so it owuldn't have to heat up a full fill of water. Full Cycle is a better choice in my opinion. Just beig honest. I"m very impressed with your accumen to come up with a working solution until parts arrive. Thus ya get to use and play with the machine.

 

[DADoES]

 
The intricately detailed differences in fill levels and sequences between the various cycles are fascinating.

 

[kenmore71]

Further work on the KDS-16

Thanks to the generosity of some kind people here, I have gotten lots of advice and have finished, for now, my work on the KDS-16. Everything is working exactly as it should!

Here's a pic of the replacement cycle selector switch.

 

[kenmore71]

And the water heater and motor relays:

 

[kenmore71]

The blower and heater heater relay WITH a selector switch...more on that in a second.

 

[kenmore71]

After discovering the INSANE amount of heat this machine produces during the DRY portion of the cycle, I decided that I wanted to be able to control whether or not I got a heated dry, especially in the summer.

SO, I recycled the DPDT toggle switch from above and installed it such that I can have HEATED dry, AIR dry or PASSIVE dry (that would be OFF). Since I didn't want to mar the appearance of the machine from the front, I decided to mount the switch on the underside of the lower access panel.

 

[rockland1]

KDS=16

This was my parents 1st dishwasher. It was great!