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Just became the proud owner of a KDS-58C (see the thread "KDS-18 portable in Montreal" for the details).

This thing is amazing! It's in excellent condition and was well looked after. The outside cabinet is near mint, and the butcher block top looks like it has never been used-not a scratch or scuff mark on it. Inside, the tank is almost perfect... no rust anywhere, including both racks, and the top Constant Rinse Spinner is present. Underneath, again there is no rust, and no signs of leaking anywhere. I'm certain this dishwasher did not get much use by it's previous owner.

So far, the only problems I've seen are:

- Lower tank seal is starting to come off, so I'll need to replace it. However, I ran a full load tonight and only saw a small drip of water on the corner of the top of the lower access panel, so I'm wondering if there is any hurry to do so (the center part of it was brittle and came off in my hand, but no leaks there). Where's the best place to buy this seal? I see that RepairClinic.com have them in stock, and I've bought parts from them before. Any other recommendations?

- The power cord is taped up at the plug end and also where it goes into the dishwasher, so I will probably end up replacing it. Is there supposed to be some kind of retracting mechanism on the power cord, or does it just push into the opening like the unicoupler hoses? How difficult is it to replace the cord?

- I noticed tonight when getting ready to unload my first load that there seems to be a problem with the door hinges, as the catch at the top of both hinges starts to come out of the slots. Are these adjustable, or am I missing a stopper piece? (The guy who sold it to me told me that he had some custom door springs made for it because he couldn't find any replacements, so that might have something to do with it?)

- After finding a recommendation in another thread to take off the front access panel and check for leaks at the detergent dispenser, while running my first full cycle I noticed that both the pre-wash and main wash dipensers drip ever so slightly around the shafts, at a rate of about 1 drip per 30 seconds each, but then part way through the cycle, both of them stopped. There was a bit of calcium buildup and a tiny bit of rust in the bottom of the panel below the bi-metals actuators, but I'm wondering if I should bother trying to change the o-rings, or just leave it alone for now?

- I did have a problem at first with the dishwasher not filling up as much as it should. Turns out the unicoupler faucet adapter I bought had a water saving disc in it... removed that and now it fills up to the proper level.

Other questions:

- How do you take off the lower access panel? Does it come off from underneath? Do I need to take off the chrome trim piece "bumper" that is over the front casters to get it off?

- Is it normal for the motor to cut out and wind down briefly while the timer rapid advances after a rinse and hold? It does so three times... once about a second before the status lights change from "Prewash" to "Wash", and twice while in "Rinse" right before switching to "Dry". I know that there is a water heating pause during the final rinse, and that the unit does a final drain after a pause, so I'm guessing this is what the timer is rapid advancing through, but what about the first pause?

- Finally, what does the "C" in KDS-58C stand for? Canada? The wiring diagram/timer chart inside says "Printed in Canada" and "The Hobart Manufacturing Company Limited, 190 Railside Road, Don Mills, Ontario, M3A 1B1".

Tip I discovered: if you want to remove the chart, do so after the dishwasher has been operating for a little bit and the tank wall is warm... this allows the glue to come off much easier and prevents the chart from tearing.

And on a totally unrelated note, one final question: is it possible to purchase the female end of the unicoupler (ie: the same end as on the dishwasher) with just the fill side? I'm thinking that now that I have an adapter on my kitchen sink, I'd like to find this female connector so that I could make a custom fill hose for my Hoover 0519 Twin Tub.
 
Motor Windingh Down during Rapid Advance

Yes, that is all completely normal.  KitchenAids have done that during rapid advancve of timer after Rinse & Hold since the KDS16--first KA with true rapid advance timer.  I had friends who had a KDS17 who always used Light Soil (they prerinsed).  It would that motor wind up and down whjile it advanced through the soak & scrub section of the timer. 
 
KDS-58 Questions

Congratulations on your new DW, BoB

 

The hinges on your DW are bent, probably when the original door springs broke they dropped the door a few too many times, both the white curved hinge arms need to be replaced, these are NLA but you can take them from any KA DW built through in the 18 - 23 series.

 

The door springs on your DW were only used on the portable models and are NLA also, but I have found that the long springs used on early 80S GE DWs work just fine and it seems that GE used a much better spring than KA as I have never seen a GE door spring break.
 
Thanks appnut. I figured it was normal when it did exactly the same thing the first two rinse and holds that I ran. Ah, maybe my first pause is a water heating pause as well...

Thanks combo52 for that info. I wonder if anybody has ever tried to remove their hinges and re-straighten them? A bit of heat, a bit of bending in the right place, and some fresh paint... should be able to fix them. But I guess the problem would be how much they need to be bent and where-would be trial and error without having a good one to compare it to.
 
Actually the first rapid advance timer I believe was on the KDS-15C. I remember that cause my parents had this dishwasher. It was the Superba. As soon as you ran the Rinse H old it would rinse the dishes, drain, and then pause. 1 minute later the timer would quickly advance to the off position.

The timer did the Rapid Advance in the Utility Utensil after the first 5 minutes of the drying phase.
 
Rapid Advancing to timers and hinges..

The first rapid advance timer was on the KDS14 which had 3 cycles on it and it did the same as the KDS15. It would advance after the rinse and hold to off and it would advance the timer during the drying phase of the Utility/pots pans cycles to provide only a 5 minute dry so that any food not removed would not have a chance to bake back on to the pots or dishes. What was cool on the 15 and later models was that you could select different cycles and then before the wash portion was done, you could hit the sani cycle and get the full number of rinses that the particular machine offered as well as a high temp final rinse. This would help dishes dry a bit better if you had selected the energy saver dry option.

Now on to the hinges... As John pointed out, your hinges are shot, but they are not painted, they are coated with a nylon coating which protected them from rust and corrosion and made them easier to keep clean. And also like John said, any hinges from the 18 thru the 23 series will work.
 
Ah, didn't realize they were nylon coated. OK, I guess I'll have to find a set somewhere. As long as I'm careful when loading/unloading I should be good for a little bit.

Would appreciate your input Stevet on my other issues (power cable, detergent dispenser, lower access panel removal). No rush though-whenever you have a few minutes.

Will try to post pictures later tonight.
 
Thanks John for the offer. I'm going to hold off buying them for right now in case I find another machine for parts that I can pull a set off of. But I will keep you in mind if ever I can't find another machine locally and need a set.

And now for the pics!
 

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