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Hi,
I'm not a new member, just an clumsy cluts that cant remember his own passwords! after several unsuccessful attempts am now able to share some photos etc.
have learned my lesson and will never forget my Aw.org log details again!
Below is the only "Hotpoint" sold on the South African market? these were more commonly known as Defy Automaid Deluxe. could not believe my eyes when this popped up on local gumtree. Have seen a thread with the same machine badged as a Frigidaire? any more info would be greatly appreciated.
thanx.

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OMG

Thats so weird

They were badged as Frigidaires in the UK - Its akin to what my mothers first washer was but with a different dial/fascia but the fascinating thing is that machine above has the Hotpoint UK drum but not any other Hotpoint features/characteristics,

Could of of been made in the UK or Italy?

If it was made in the UK was my mothers first machine a Hotpoint in disguise?

This opens up a right can of worms for me lol.

Rob
 
u.k drum

this machine eventually evolved into the one below!! the previous model to that is known also as Sangiorgio tema on the European market. here in S.A they known as Defy Automaid and have been S.A top seller for decades.

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above is the combo model

and below a close up of the control panel and a 80's model. (same machine. new face:)

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Alias....

Those Defy models have been sold in the UK under the Blomberg and Proline names. The drum, door handle, buttons and programmes on the Kombomaid are identical to the Proline W850 I have in my kitchen. I'm not surprised they're good sellers elsewhere - you've got to give them credit for being durable. I can't get rid of my machine for trying (drives me mad - it's too basic for me - anything other than cottons washing requires manual intervention...but maybe I'm fussy).

Shouldn't think the Frigidare machine had anything to do with British Hotpoint machines of the 80s & 90s - drum looks similar, I grant you, but with no raised lip out to the door seal area. True Hotpoints (so not the Zanussi hybrid, classic as it may be) in the 18- and 95- series never had removable drain filters either.

It's nice to find out a bit more about the origins of my machine via its relatives, even if I'm not a fan. Thanks for posting the pics, Kic!

Alex
 
Defy .... Blomberg ... Brandt !!

It's really a mystery machine :-))

Detergent drawer is the same of 1980ish Zannies (badged also as Privileg, Tricity-Bendix ...)
The Frigidaire similar machine Rob has posted up is another clue towards Zannoland ....

BUT ... that dial ... those buttons are the same of SANGIORGIO late 1970s machines.
Sangiorgio is an Italian brand that was bought by Elco-Brandt in the 90s. The other DEFY looks like an Ocean (Brandt Italy) machine. Blomberg : another "Brandt" clue

Definately I'd say Brandt ..... the odd thing is that SanGiorgio had this look MUCH before they had to do with Brandt. Maybe SaintGeorge knows it ;-)
 
thank you

I have enjoyed reading through all the messages and appreciate everyone's info.
Favorite, do you know more about this machine and where it comes from? please post pic's of those that you mentioned in your message.

Am searching for a pic of a Philips front loader.Was around 6 years old when my mom bought it. Mid 80's. I remember it being a very basic model with the timer knob on the right that pulled to startpush to stop and a rocker switch for cold or heated wash. It had orange writing on a brown fascia. please anybody with pics or info... put me out of my misery. LOL.
thanks again!
Louis.
 
Its a weird one Alex I know. Just seems they are a hash of machines and possibly copied ideas/designs.

Im still completely in the dark about my mothers Frigidaire for the facts I have about it.

Bought in 1982
Was £199 from Comet
FWIR it had a chrome door and a brown fascia.
600rpm

I really ought to ask my folks more and see if any pictures I have confirm what it is.

Had a tinker with the Liberator this weekend and got the bearings fixed - massive thanks to Mathew there.
Not sure what videos Paul has on our camera but if there are any decent ones im sure they will be uploaded....

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Brown facia?

The "Frigidaire" and "Hotpoint" posted above were on our market from 1973-1980 and had a brown fascia that was meant to look like wood. did you know that they also had a little hidden metal plate that you could pull out from the side of the soap dispenser. it had a wash guide according to the machines various cycles printed on it!
 
wooden like fascia and SANGIORGIO

yes KIC, that's true ! Here there was the Sangiorgio badged model in those years.

The dark fascia Kombomaid with the stainless steel door here was GHIBLI SANGIORGIO, but had a square door, round door was on BOL models only. Once I went to Malta and saw some badged as GALA

SANGIORGIO (now SPEL) was a factory close to La Spezia harbour (Liguria, Genoa region). They stopped production on last december and now about 150 people are without job....

Sangiorgio washers have always been quite reliable and strong (expecially the THESI series, those with the square door like old real Hoovers )

They invented the GEYSER, an alternative to zanussi jetsystem.
A recirculating pump sprayed a powerful jet under the drum instead than over.

Anyway Sangiorgio was bought by Ocean (Elco-Brandt) in 2004 Since then the machines made in La Spezia were badged Sangiorgiorosso www.sangiorgiorosso.com (no more working)
and the original Sangiorgio badge went on Elco-Brandt machines, that are reliable if Blomberg made ... rather crappy if Ocean or Fagor made

Pics... I'm sorry, my scanner has gone on srike again :-((
Maybe Diomede (Vivalalavatrice) has some pics
 
square door

There was a black face 6 kg model sold here. It also had a black square door with the standard chrome handle. The black face models had a push-button on the chrome handle. Have also seen a few with a cream square door and would guess them to be earlier models. Vaguely remember something to do with geyser, but could be wrong. There was a Grey face model known as Defy Heritage.

Thank you for the detailed info Favorit! maybe you can help me find that Philips front loader that I mentioned earlier? so far no luck... Do you know any Philips machines from the 80's fitting my description? don't want to be a nuisance, but I'm starting to give up hope of ever finding it :(
 
Philips PM system

3 knobs : timer, thermostat, spin selector
Those were the first washers with several spin settings, due to a permanent magnet (DC) motor . Other washers of the age had 1 (or 2) wash speeds and 1 (or 2) spin speeds

For sure Louis (Foraloysius) knows much more than me about Philips, expecially about those wonderful 1000 rpm toplader of the 70s with a glass lid
 
toplader Philips Whirlpool

late 80s. Moulds still were true philips/bauknecht ones, whirlcontamination arrived a bit later
Those toploaders were made in France (Amiens)

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close

can see the resemblance, but it only had one dial on the left and a rocker switch middle soap drawer left. the dial protruded of the fascia and looked more like a small door knob- pull to startpush to stop. anyhow thanks for help!
 
Mid 1980s Philips

Kic, I don't think you're going mad at all! Casting my mind back to a trip to a local second hand shop in 1995 or so, I can recall seeing a Philips 086 that matches the description you give above. For the first half of the 80s Philips front loaders had the soap dispenser on the left hand side and programmer on the right and on the 086 it was indeed the size of a small doorknob. I don't recall the switch with much clarity and my guess would be that it gave you the half speed spin for synthetics rather than a cold wash, but different territories may have had different needs. Brown and orange were definitely the colours used at the time, though.

Has anyone got an 80s Philips (or perhaps the Electra rebadge in the UK) in their collection? They were definitely popular at the time until Whirlpool came along, after which I suspect they were viewed with suspicion and in GB households seemed to go Hotpoint or Zanussi crazy as I recall. I'd really love to see a video of that spin drain used on Philips machines but YouTube seems to draw a blank, surprisingly! Have to say I was very impressed the one occasion I used a Philips 084 - quick, thorough and well programmed for the average wash (code 4 - 50 degrees, cool down, 4 generous rinses and straight into full spin. No messing about like with the Hotpoint we had at the time to add conditioner and set to long spin).

Another oddity mentioned above is Fagor, simply because the brand is mentioned in the Haynes washing machine manual making it sound popular yet I recall no-one having one. Were they ever sold in the UK 20-odd years ago?

Any answers greatly appreciated!

Alex
 
A small correction...

...sorry, Kic, just realised you didn't say anywhere you thought you were "going mad" - must read more carefully before setting off on a post! You get the idea though...

Al
 
Those Philips washers were quite expensive in these days. The Philips toploader I have cost about the same as a more or less BOL Miele machine!

Anyway, those PM motors made it possible to control the rpm's on the spin. The spinspeed of the TOL models could be set everywhere between 120rpm and 850rpm. The PM motors are rather noisy during the wash, but relatively silent during the spin.

Philips actually made several toploader models. The smaller one with the glass lid didn't spin very fast, I think it was under 400rpm because they didn't have suspension. There was also wider (square) models with higher spin speeds (up to 1000rpm indeed) but I don't remember that model being sold with a glass lid.
 
maybe...is this?

this is a Philips frpm 80's
it's a basic machine, we had one for 10 yrs badged IGNIS, it had one knob and two buttons: cold wash and rinse hold.

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Square toplader and glass lid

Louis, you're right.

My mind mixed up old images of real Dutch Philips and Italian Ignis :)

Actually those square toplader with a glass lid were made here in IT in the (ex) Borghi plants (Varese, close to the swiss border ) .
They were badged either PHILIPS, IGNIS or FIDES and never had more than 600 rpm spins
 

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