Kingston Timer Motor Adventures

[qsd-dan]

Bringing this one back from the dead...

So I had some free time today and was back on this thread with the attempt for getting warm spray rinse for the 712. A lightbulb came on while reading Dave's following (LowEfficiency) statement using a relay:

"SPST-NO form, with a 120VAC coil.
The relay coil is connected across terminals 5B and either AC Line or Neutral (I forget which side the timer switches?).
The relay contacts then connect to terminals 5B and 3.

The basic logic is this:
Any time the cold water *valve* is energized (by any circuit during any cycle for any purpose), the relay then energizes the rinse *circuit* also. (Note valve vs circuit distinction.)"

Well, why can't I just take the wire from Cam/terminal 3 and tie it into 5B? This will energize the rinse circuit anytime the washer is filling, no need for a relay.

Here's a picture of the timer with arrows pointing to wires/terminals 5B and 3.

 

[qsd-dan]

I had this kicking around for over 15 years and finally was able to put it to use. It had a male connection at one end and female for the other. I cut the female connection off and installed a male connection for a dual male connection.

 

[qsd-dan]

Here it is, 5B and 3 connected together along with some electrical tape to prevent any grounding to the console. I plugged the washer in, crossed my fingers, and tried it out. IT WORKS!!! No need for complex timer/switch alterations, relays, or fancy wiring.

I would HIGHLY recommend using a splitter like this.

https://www.amazon.com/Specialty-Co...spade+terminal+splitter&qid=1702948376&sr=8-4

It's easier, cleaner, and safer. I didn't have one on hand but in the future I'll install one.

So thar you go fellow tag hags, a very simple way to get a warm spray rinse during the spin cycle for your post 10 series Maytag washers. Have at it!!

 

[rp2813]

Thanks Dan --

I can totally relate to a dual male connection!  I'm going to look into this for my A712.

 

[ragnboneman]

I've seen these Chinese gear motors in the Princess Auto surplus section at my local store.
They come they go....

The source of manufacture on Aliepxress is never clear...
These are so cheap I wonder if they might be of use these are DC.

I'm thinking DC motor for a DC powered timer for a 24VDC powered Franken Maytag Orbital as a down the road replacement for Simplicity if things don't work out.

Finding a substitute motor in 240 volt or 50Hz or what ever you need might be as simple as Aliexpress.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/400...9ca-046c-41be-bc9a-75cbb028c5df&_t=gps-id:pcD

 

[maytag85]

Happened to read through this thread this evening. Isn’t this the timer motor you are referring to Dan? Found this in my small parts stash. Wondering if this timer motor will increase the wash time up to 15 minutes, a 1:30 spray rinse, 3 minute deep rinse.

 

[combo52]

Reply number 24

Hi Sean, this is a Mallory timer motor that you’ve pictured it wouldn’t fit on any Kingston timer that I’ve ever seen.

John

 

[maytag85]

Reply #25

I think the Kingston timer motor gear is different. Definitely going to keep this around as a spare for the Kenmore compact washer I have since it’s timer motor has the same gear as this one.

I think if I swap in a Kingston timer motor from a later Maytag, definitely will improve the performance quite a bit in terms of washing and rinsing on my Maytag A806.

 

[qsd-dan]

Your 810 washer has the timer motor you want. Swap it in and give it try.

 

[maytag85]

Reply #27

That’s what I’ll probably do sometime this spring. Though, I’ll probably have to source another timer since I’ve begun the process of cleaning up my Maytag A810 set, good machines but don’t really have any room and plan on thinning out. The Maytag A806 is essentially a duplicate.

I wonder if there’s any aftermarket timers available on Amazon that will fit the Maytag A810.

 

[qsd-dan]

The 205864 timer motor is near impossible to find now, at least using the Maytag part#. There may be a cross reference from another make but I'm unaware of it. I know that Dave from Davesrepair.com has drawers full of Kingstone timer motors. May want to shoot him an email and see if he has one. He's getting up there in age, do it soon.

https://www.davesrepair.com/

 

[maytag85]

Don’t know if this video is up on YouTube anymore, but I believe it was Brian who had a harvest gold Maytag A806 that had a toggle switch added to turn the timer motor on and off. Believe that was done to allow for a long wash cycle along with turning the timer off on the spray rinse which would allow for a infinite spray rinse until one turned the timer back on.

 

[qsd-dan]

That can be done but you'll have to monitor and be flipping the switch on each of the wash/spray rinse/deep rinse/spin cycles which is taking the "automatics" portion of the washer back into a semi automatic washer. Just one tiny step away from a wringer washer, really. That's not for me in this stage of my life but in my younger years I'd probably do it...for a while.

You can purchase a new or used timer from a 310/410/710/810 on Ebay and remove the timer motor, which is probably going to be your only choice. The only other option is to look for a very cheap or free washer, remove the timer or motor and part the rest of the machine out. You could actually get your money back and more using this method. 10-15 years ago when these were everywhere and free on craigslist, this was very possible to scrounge what was needed. Now, they're drying up and word is out that these washers are better than any top loader made today, have more options, more flexibility, and no dumbed down temps so they go for stupid prices in most areas. I knew this would eventually happen.

 

[maytag85]

Also might look into a delay relay timer of some kind, not sure how well that would work but would probably be a simpler route to go. Probably would set it for 10 minutes (20 minutes of wash time in total), though it would probably have to be activated by some sort of toggle switch what will cut the power to the main timer, then after that timer expires, it’ll activate the main timer and will go through the cycles as normal.

 

[maytag85]

I tried swapping the Kingston timer from my 810 to my 806…and it turns out my 806 has the Mallory timer in it

Oh well, at least I tried and made a attempt..

 

[qsd-dan]

and it turns out my 806 has the Mallory timer in it

Ahhh, good timer but I'm not aware of a 90 second timer motor for those, at least for Maytag washers. The only Mallory timer motors for Maytag washers that I am aware of is 30 seconds, 45 seconds, and 60 seconds.

 

[maytag85]

Happen to have my Maytag A806’s in service at the moment. Unfortunately, I had to put the 806 dryer console back on since the dual temperature setup wasn’t working as intended with the 808 console. Took quite a bit of tweaking and fine-tuning to achieve HOH quietness since the GE motor was grumbly despite lubricating it thoroughly (could need washer rings possibly), the Westinghouse motor I have in at the moment runs fairly quiet, but starts as soon as the door is closed, stops as soon as the door is opened, must be how it’s wired up internally. Since everything works correctly and quietly, leaving it alone for the time being.

 

[qsd-dan]

"but starts as soon as the door is closed, stops as soon as the door is opene"

It sounds like there's a stuck/welded motor contact, maybe the one for the start winding. You'll definitely want to fix that.

 

[maytag85]

Reply #36

Might be possible, but the Westinghouse motor I got from the appliance junkyard came from a late 50’s Maytag highlander dryer. The early Maytag HOH dryers had no start relay, they’d start whenever the timer was moved from the off position, stop when the door was opened then would resume as soon as it was closed. The start switch worked when I had the GE motor in, but swapped it out for the WH motor since it was a little grumbly and loud (this is after I oiled and cleaned it), loosened the belt tension and that helped quiet it down but wasn’t tumbling properly since there was lots of belt slippage.

 

[combo52]

Westinghouse motor starts right away when door is closed.

Not quite sure what’s wrong but it’s not going to cause a problem so there’s no reason to fix it if it doesn’t bother you.

Did the Westinghouse motor have as many wires on it, a late 50s motor might’ve only had four terminals on it.