jakeseacrest
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Hey everyone...I found this on Craigslist and yes I already emailed the seller that I wanted it!
Kitchen Aid Portable
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jakeseacrest
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And another pic...I believe it is an Imperial 20 series. Anybody have any info on this machine?
jakeseacrest
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These pics are small...here's the link to the seller's page.
stevet
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How can you go wrong?
Even if you used it as a donor unit, the price is worth it. Would make a nice built in too. Too bad it has that drab control panel. But Hey, that isnt what washes the dishes!
Good Luck!
Even if you used it as a donor unit, the price is worth it. Would make a nice built in too. Too bad it has that drab control panel. But Hey, that isnt what washes the dishes!
Good Luck!
jakeseacrest
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Next question...does anyone have the use and care manual?
stevet
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You can get one here!
Michael, I have the PDF for the Superba, but if you go to the link attached, you can just ask Angel to send you the manual for it. Just ask her for the KDI 20 user manual. It should cover the portables as well. If you want the Superba manual as well, let me know and I will email it to you
Steve
Michael, I have the PDF for the Superba, but if you go to the link attached, you can just ask Angel to send you the manual for it. Just ask her for the KDI 20 user manual. It should cover the portables as well. If you want the Superba manual as well, let me know and I will email it to you
Steve
brant_ix
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HA! Too Funny!!
I know EXACTLY the woman you are buying from! I bought her Hamilton Beach Mixer and Saw that Dishwasher!! I was going to ask her if it was for sale, but at the moment, I just can't take on something like that!
I forget where she was moving to, but she was VERY Nice, she asked if I wanted her cuckoo clock and I had a difficult time saying no.
Tell Janna, Brant who bought her mixer says Hello!
I know EXACTLY the woman you are buying from! I bought her Hamilton Beach Mixer and Saw that Dishwasher!! I was going to ask her if it was for sale, but at the moment, I just can't take on something like that!
I forget where she was moving to, but she was VERY Nice, she asked if I wanted her cuckoo clock and I had a difficult time saying no.
Tell Janna, Brant who bought her mixer says Hello!
dirtybuck
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Just curious...
Does the bottle of cough syrup or whatever that is come with it, or is that extra?
Does the bottle of cough syrup or whatever that is come with it, or is that extra?
He who hesitates is lost! Grab the machine while you still can - it looks like it's in great shape and you may regret it if you don't.
Wet blanket here...
I know this may sound sacriligeous to some of you, but when KitchenAid went from the 17a to the 18 series, added the middle spray arm, and moved the large dish tines from the center of the lower rack to the left side, they may have improved the washing performance of their machines, but they destroyed the Maytag-like simple perfection of their design. Our KDP-18 was a great machine, but it wasn't a classic like our KDC-17a.
I know this may sound sacriligeous to some of you, but when KitchenAid went from the 17a to the 18 series, added the middle spray arm, and moved the large dish tines from the center of the lower rack to the left side, they may have improved the washing performance of their machines, but they destroyed the Maytag-like simple perfection of their design. Our KDP-18 was a great machine, but it wasn't a classic like our KDC-17a.
jakeseacrest
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I am definately taking it...the woman is even going to deliver it on Sunday! I can't wait. As far as the 17 vs 18 racking, I love everything about the KDS17 series but I need more than 1 level washing for the way I do my dishes.
stevet
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What constitutes a classic now?
Bajaespuma,
I know what you mean about the classic simplicity of the old Kitchenaids. Lord knows I had enough of those versions growing up. From a 12 thru the 17 and 17a and have to say that even though KA followed the crowd with dual washarms, they DID improve the performance of their machines.
If the user WAS careful enough to laod the older models correctly, the results were fine. If not..Oh well, just do another load! Took my Mom a few months I would say to get it rightwith our KDS15 and I was always reloading it and making sure the top wasn't blocked. Then eventually I installed the KDS21D, which I still have in my garage, and she loved it.
If we talk about changes to a classic design, what about Maytag moving the big plates back to the bottom rack? Which setup really cleaned better? You guys would have to tell me your own experiences.
Many times it IS in response to market pressure to have the same features as another manufacturer but how well it is executed separates the big guys from the little guys.
I don't know anyone who complained about the way a Maytag cleaned nor anyone complaining about the 18 and up units from Hobart.
But it didn't take a rocket scientist to know that a D&M machine fed the upper arm by means of the drain pump impeller so any crap that got macerated down there, went right back up onto the dishware in the upper rack. They had just about no filtering media to separate the crud out. Sure, lots of water and rinses usually got rid of most of the crud eventually.
And don't think we didn't have lots of yuck on top of the cups and bowls in the KDS15. It filtered the water well, but didn't do as good a job as the 16 and 17 with the constant rinse (a misnomer there)arm on the top of the tank.
When the 18 came out I asked my Uncle who was a service manager at Hobart why they added the arm and he said it was because the other brands had it. Then he added that a machine with a powerful enough pump no matter who makes it with a single arm will still clean well. When you split the water output between two arms, the lower arm delivers less water now to the dishes.It took Hobart a long time to change the design of their washarms to a smaller water jet which increased the pressure on the plate surfaces without needing more water to do it. Of course KA was gone by then, but isnt that waht we see on all the machines now? Go and see how small the jet holes are on a current Hydrosweep arm. It is amazing the new machines get anything clean and I can't begine to imagine how much less comes out when the machine has the Power Scour jets in the back!
And just how well could that 3 racked Maytag clean when it was splitting the water up even more. BTW did they provide it with a 1/2 or 1/3 hp motor?
I once put the 17 rack in our 18 just to annoy my wife and see what she would do.
It was a short test.. She did nothing. She left the dishes in the sink and went to watch tv! I got to play with the machine but I put the right rack back in.
She is so loyal to that rack design, she will not let me put the now 2 year old brand new Kitchenaid I have in the box in the garage in to replace the 18/now 20 series daily driver.
It all comes down to a matter of taste. No doubt the old models were great and there are still thousands out there. But there has got to be a good reason why the 18 is such a beloved machine! Just like the Classic 17 and 17A With the 21 right there as an up and coming classic.
Bajaespuma,
I know what you mean about the classic simplicity of the old Kitchenaids. Lord knows I had enough of those versions growing up. From a 12 thru the 17 and 17a and have to say that even though KA followed the crowd with dual washarms, they DID improve the performance of their machines.
If the user WAS careful enough to laod the older models correctly, the results were fine. If not..Oh well, just do another load! Took my Mom a few months I would say to get it rightwith our KDS15 and I was always reloading it and making sure the top wasn't blocked. Then eventually I installed the KDS21D, which I still have in my garage, and she loved it.
If we talk about changes to a classic design, what about Maytag moving the big plates back to the bottom rack? Which setup really cleaned better? You guys would have to tell me your own experiences.
Many times it IS in response to market pressure to have the same features as another manufacturer but how well it is executed separates the big guys from the little guys.
I don't know anyone who complained about the way a Maytag cleaned nor anyone complaining about the 18 and up units from Hobart.
But it didn't take a rocket scientist to know that a D&M machine fed the upper arm by means of the drain pump impeller so any crap that got macerated down there, went right back up onto the dishware in the upper rack. They had just about no filtering media to separate the crud out. Sure, lots of water and rinses usually got rid of most of the crud eventually.
And don't think we didn't have lots of yuck on top of the cups and bowls in the KDS15. It filtered the water well, but didn't do as good a job as the 16 and 17 with the constant rinse (a misnomer there)arm on the top of the tank.
When the 18 came out I asked my Uncle who was a service manager at Hobart why they added the arm and he said it was because the other brands had it. Then he added that a machine with a powerful enough pump no matter who makes it with a single arm will still clean well. When you split the water output between two arms, the lower arm delivers less water now to the dishes.It took Hobart a long time to change the design of their washarms to a smaller water jet which increased the pressure on the plate surfaces without needing more water to do it. Of course KA was gone by then, but isnt that waht we see on all the machines now? Go and see how small the jet holes are on a current Hydrosweep arm. It is amazing the new machines get anything clean and I can't begine to imagine how much less comes out when the machine has the Power Scour jets in the back!
And just how well could that 3 racked Maytag clean when it was splitting the water up even more. BTW did they provide it with a 1/2 or 1/3 hp motor?
I once put the 17 rack in our 18 just to annoy my wife and see what she would do.
It was a short test.. She did nothing. She left the dishes in the sink and went to watch tv! I got to play with the machine but I put the right rack back in.
She is so loyal to that rack design, she will not let me put the now 2 year old brand new Kitchenaid I have in the box in the garage in to replace the 18/now 20 series daily driver.
It all comes down to a matter of taste. No doubt the old models were great and there are still thousands out there. But there has got to be a good reason why the 18 is such a beloved machine! Just like the Classic 17 and 17A With the 21 right there as an up and coming classic.
toploader55
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Oh Steve
Are you annoying your wife again with that switcheroo rack thing ?????? You're too funny. Good Thread. So which wash arm is better on the upper rack ? The Shortie or the Longer One ? I have both. I'm kinda loyal to the original shortie as it is the Original that came with the machine, but if the larger increases the pressure to the HydroSweep, I'd reconsider. Eddie
Are you annoying your wife again with that switcheroo rack thing ?????? You're too funny. Good Thread. So which wash arm is better on the upper rack ? The Shortie or the Longer One ? I have both. I'm kinda loyal to the original shortie as it is the Original that came with the machine, but if the larger increases the pressure to the HydroSweep, I'd reconsider. Eddie
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Power Scour/Turbo Zone
Steve stated:
"I can't begine to imagine how much less comes out when the machine has the Power Scour jets in the back"!
Currently, the water supply for the upper rack is completely diverted to the TurboZone when called for.
In the new machines with the HE wash system all the water to the lower and mid-level wash arms is diverted to the TurboZone when activated. The T-zone makes the lower rack more flexible for loading of large items. The feature works well and does not detract from the overall wash performance.
The new wash systems have tight seals, reduced sized waterways and smaller spray arm orifices. All done to increase wash efficiency and pressure with a minimum of water consumption.
When the machines are installed and used correctly; the cleaning performance is on par with older models using twice the water and energy. It just takes more time.
L.P.
Steve stated:
"I can't begine to imagine how much less comes out when the machine has the Power Scour jets in the back"!
Currently, the water supply for the upper rack is completely diverted to the TurboZone when called for.
In the new machines with the HE wash system all the water to the lower and mid-level wash arms is diverted to the TurboZone when activated. The T-zone makes the lower rack more flexible for loading of large items. The feature works well and does not detract from the overall wash performance.
The new wash systems have tight seals, reduced sized waterways and smaller spray arm orifices. All done to increase wash efficiency and pressure with a minimum of water consumption.
When the machines are installed and used correctly; the cleaning performance is on par with older models using twice the water and energy. It just takes more time.
L.P.
I have the 18 in the kitchen and love the racking, Fred and Pat both commented on the ease of loading it. Fred has a beautiful 17 in his kitchen for a daily driver and it would be like pulling teeth to get that out of his life now. Once you get used to loading the single-arm models, you love them. When we were "kitchening" in the basement during remodeling, I used the KDS-56 portable and fell in love with that design too.
There's nothing like pulling out the racks of clean dishes from a KitchenAid. Spectacular!
The 'reverse' racking of the Maytag dishwashers was really nice as well, once past the slight learning curve, you could really pack those machines full and get fantastic results although the cutlery basket needed more careful loading than the KA. This is the WU-601 I had in my old kitchen before the remodel.
There's nothing like pulling out the racks of clean dishes from a KitchenAid. Spectacular!
The 'reverse' racking of the Maytag dishwashers was really nice as well, once past the slight learning curve, you could really pack those machines full and get fantastic results although the cutlery basket needed more careful loading than the KA. This is the WU-601 I had in my old kitchen before the remodel.
jakeseacrest
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And another one surfaces...I emailed the lady on this one and she said it was in good condition. The only question is that she said the dishes need a pre rinse before she throws them in this dishwasher....
jakeseacrest
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So my first vintage dishwasher was dropped off 30 minutes ago for a cool $100! The girl and guy told me that they bought the dishwasher 2 years ago from a guy who restores vintage appliances. The outside could use some help, but the inside is unbelievable!! Sparkling porcelain, shiny 4 way Hydro-Sweep, and new looking racks! The woman said she ran the last load this am and was almost misty eyed at leaving it. I assured her that it would be in good hands. I'll post pics as soon as possible.
stevet
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The short and long of it!
Ed, I can't really say which wash arm would work better except to say that the long washarm definitely gets to the corners better and cannot say that I have tried the short one at all. I DO have a kds18 with the short arm rack so maybe I will pull that sitcheroo on her! LOL. But I am sure that the long one is more effective since they would not have redesigned it if it wasnt any better. The removal of the constant rinse on the 19 and later units would not really add more pressure to the arm of either style.
Oh and BTW, I never did put the 17 rack into the daily driver which is now a KDS20 and not the 18! I wound up selling it a few months back to a guy who needed one for his 17. It was in perfect condition..absolutely pristine and no rust or cuts on it.
Magic-Clean, thx for the update on the Power scour setup. I have to assume it will switch back and forth from the top to the scour area during the cycle? I know that all that extra time these units take to do the dishes has to account for something. I just think it is another sales gimmick but everyone seems to say it does work pretty good.
Ed, I can't really say which wash arm would work better except to say that the long washarm definitely gets to the corners better and cannot say that I have tried the short one at all. I DO have a kds18 with the short arm rack so maybe I will pull that sitcheroo on her! LOL. But I am sure that the long one is more effective since they would not have redesigned it if it wasnt any better. The removal of the constant rinse on the 19 and later units would not really add more pressure to the arm of either style.
Oh and BTW, I never did put the 17 rack into the daily driver which is now a KDS20 and not the 18! I wound up selling it a few months back to a guy who needed one for his 17. It was in perfect condition..absolutely pristine and no rust or cuts on it.
Magic-Clean, thx for the update on the Power scour setup. I have to assume it will switch back and forth from the top to the scour area during the cycle? I know that all that extra time these units take to do the dishes has to account for something. I just think it is another sales gimmick but everyone seems to say it does work pretty good.
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