I just replaced my old dishwasher with a new one. I am pretty sentimental about this, but it needed repairs and my husband didn't want to put money into it. So, I was just wondering if there was anyone who likes working on the older machines who would have any interest in it. I'm not trying to sell it, but will give it to someone if they are willing to pick it up. I live in southern Maine.
Kitchenaid Hobart Patrician Dishwasher
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toploader55
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Hi and Welcome,
What seems to be the problem ?
Those Older Machines are great cleaners.
What seems to be the problem ?
Those Older Machines are great cleaners.
I loved the dishwasher despite the prongs breaking off on the lower rack. However, lately the dishwasher would fill with water and empty okay, but it didn't clean the dishes. My husband thought there was something wrong with the timer. We bought our new dishwasher at Lowes and they are delivering tomorrow. They are planning to take the old one with them, which I know means it is destined for a landfill...that really bothers me. I know someone who loves the old dishwashers could fix it and get many years of use out of it. It is a nice looking machine with stainless steel front.
delaneymeegan
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I wish I were closer to you. Hopefully one of our esteem East coast members will be able to save it. Thank-you for offering it.
stevet
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Haste makes waste!
If you had posted the problem here before running to Lowe's you would have been advised that if your machine fills and drains, then the pump is fine, the timer is fine and all that is wrong is your lower wash arm support is most likely worn out and needs to be replaced.
New racks are available.I have at least 2 of them in my attic as well as possibly a good used support. You might have gotten another 10-20 years out of it which is not unheard of! In fact, if it happens to be a KDP18, I even have a spare timer that one of the other members sent me to sell if someone needed it.
It is not too late to save it and possibly use as a spare machine in your garage or pantry or basement when you have an over abundance of dishes to be done and can't wait 3 hours for the new machine to was a load of dishes.
If you had posted the problem here before running to Lowe's you would have been advised that if your machine fills and drains, then the pump is fine, the timer is fine and all that is wrong is your lower wash arm support is most likely worn out and needs to be replaced.
New racks are available.I have at least 2 of them in my attic as well as possibly a good used support. You might have gotten another 10-20 years out of it which is not unheard of! In fact, if it happens to be a KDP18, I even have a spare timer that one of the other members sent me to sell if someone needed it.
It is not too late to save it and possibly use as a spare machine in your garage or pantry or basement when you have an over abundance of dishes to be done and can't wait 3 hours for the new machine to was a load of dishes.
Oh my!!! That's a beautiful KDP18!!!
delaneymeegan
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I'm not even a fan of Stainless, but that is beautiful.
Nice notty pine kitchen too. Brings back memories.
If no one here is able to adopt this, you might consider donating to the Habitat for Humanity Store in Portland.
toploader55
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How did that machine end up with a 19+ series Large Upper Wash Arm ?
18 series had the shorter Wash Arm for the Upper Rack
18 series had the shorter Wash Arm for the Upper Rack
I called her earlier this evening. The washer is a KDP-20. I'm very tempted myself to take the 4 hour trip. I just refurbished the incinerator CL700 for our kitchen though. I wish I could give this one some love too. Do you guys think this is a better washer than the CL700?
Derek
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Performance may be a toss-up, but I'd say the KA is the nicer looking and perhaps the more capable of the two. With the stainless inserts and its timeless design, it's a much more desirable machine than the ISE. I'm going to hazard a guess that virtually all mechanical parts on the your ISE and this KA are interchangeable.
One thing is for sure: The team who installs the new dishwasher should not be allowed to haul off the KA. It absolutely deserves a better fate.
Performance may be a toss-up, but I'd say the KA is the nicer looking and perhaps the more capable of the two. With the stainless inserts and its timeless design, it's a much more desirable machine than the ISE. I'm going to hazard a guess that virtually all mechanical parts on the your ISE and this KA are interchangeable.
One thing is for sure: The team who installs the new dishwasher should not be allowed to haul off the KA. It absolutely deserves a better fate.
Bobbi, glad your husband backed you. I know someone around here will want it. Patricians weren't as commonly purchased as Superbas.
miele_ge
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Are Patricians more feature filled than the supurbas?
Or are they in-between the Imperial and Supurba?
Or are they in-between the Imperial and Supurba?
KA Upper Racks
Pardon my ignorance....but once KA went to 2 level wash...I don't really understand their upper rack layout much at all.
You have these vastly wide side sections with no pins.
Then you have that massive center hump with pins in the middle (makes sense for bowls and saucers.
But the two rows of very narrowly seated pins on either side of the hump really elude me. Often some of those will pivot and fold.
Of all the rack designs out there, KAs have made the least sense.
What's a good, proper way of actually loading those upper racks?
Sincerely,
A whipper snapper
Pardon my ignorance....but once KA went to 2 level wash...I don't really understand their upper rack layout much at all.
You have these vastly wide side sections with no pins.
Then you have that massive center hump with pins in the middle (makes sense for bowls and saucers.
But the two rows of very narrowly seated pins on either side of the hump really elude me. Often some of those will pivot and fold.
Of all the rack designs out there, KAs have made the least sense.
What's a good, proper way of actually loading those upper racks?
Sincerely,
A whipper snapper
Classic KA racks were the best of the dishwashers that I've used.
The ISE and the KitchenAid dishwasher quite different the ISE is a 21 series equivalent. The KitchenAid gives two rinses the ISE only one final rinse. The ISE does a better job overall and has a more durable pump and uses less water.
KA Racks
<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">I think it's all about what you get used to. I have used these KA dishwashers for years and I really think you can pack these racks.</span>
<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">I think it's all about what you get used to. I have used these KA dishwashers for years and I really think you can pack these racks.</span>
The Patrician was kind of like the budget Superba. Another difference was the Patrician didn't have the true Soak & Scrub cycle sequence as the 18 Superba. I noticed that when I downloaded service manuals for the 18-20 series and saw how the Patrician sequence differed with the Superbas.
KDP20 differences
Actually this model does have the same S&S cycle sequence as the KDS20. Both models used the same timer (unlike the 19 series). The only differences between these models was the cycle sequence lights, no adjustable rack on the KDP, and the cycle selections (no sani-cycle on the KDP).
This 19 series had minor differences in the S&S cycles, but the 18 series had major differences. The S&S cycle on the KDS18 had two soak/scrub periods, while the other models only had one. The KDS18 also had a water heater to maintain the water temp.
I have this same model and it does a great job. Whoever ends up getting it will be very satisfied.
Actually this model does have the same S&S cycle sequence as the KDS20. Both models used the same timer (unlike the 19 series). The only differences between these models was the cycle sequence lights, no adjustable rack on the KDP, and the cycle selections (no sani-cycle on the KDP).
This 19 series had minor differences in the S&S cycles, but the 18 series had major differences. The S&S cycle on the KDS18 had two soak/scrub periods, while the other models only had one. The KDS18 also had a water heater to maintain the water temp.
I have this same model and it does a great job. Whoever ends up getting it will be very satisfied.
twintubber
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KA Upper Racks
Hi johnb300m. I used to think the same thing just from looking at the racks. It does LOOK odd, but in reality, they work quite well.
I am continuously amazed at not only the capacity, but the flexibility of my Superba.
Yes, you have to have the adjustable upper rack and the fold down tines to truly appreciate and maximize that flexibility. But I can really pack this machine and that flexibility adds to that.
I've finalized the setup of my machine after almost a year now and truly maximized my capacity. The use of a smaller silverware basket is what truly adds to the larger capacity.
And I really hated to do one thing, more for the "vintageness" of the machine than sentimentality, but I took the silly ChinaGuard off. It was always 'just' in the way of my large plates and my chopsticks in the lower rack. So, I decided performance is more important than anything so I had to get rid of it. Oddly, I never liked that on those machines even back in their day. And had I had one then, I would have surely taken the thing off as well. So it wasn't too big of a loss to me to take it off.
I also took off all the clips, holders and tines from the right side of the upper rack to allow complete openness for flat items. (All my former dishwashers for 15 years have been this way, so it was the right thing to do).
Lesson learned though.....the rack has huge gaps without the parts in place and things would just have fallen through and blocked the spray arm.
So I did a little "doctoring" and re-used the tines and the clips from the ChinaGuard and now it's just perfect. It can also be used to line plates or small bowls as the tines acts as perfect holders for such items.
Have a look at the pics and let me know what you think.
Oh, in the pics, the spray arm is the one from the 22 so you can see the uniform size of all the upper spray holes compared to the dual-sized ones one the 18-20 series.
I'm happy and yes, even though it's a 19, it washes amazingly and I love it!!!
Hi johnb300m. I used to think the same thing just from looking at the racks. It does LOOK odd, but in reality, they work quite well.
I am continuously amazed at not only the capacity, but the flexibility of my Superba.
Yes, you have to have the adjustable upper rack and the fold down tines to truly appreciate and maximize that flexibility. But I can really pack this machine and that flexibility adds to that.
I've finalized the setup of my machine after almost a year now and truly maximized my capacity. The use of a smaller silverware basket is what truly adds to the larger capacity.
And I really hated to do one thing, more for the "vintageness" of the machine than sentimentality, but I took the silly ChinaGuard off. It was always 'just' in the way of my large plates and my chopsticks in the lower rack. So, I decided performance is more important than anything so I had to get rid of it. Oddly, I never liked that on those machines even back in their day. And had I had one then, I would have surely taken the thing off as well. So it wasn't too big of a loss to me to take it off.
I also took off all the clips, holders and tines from the right side of the upper rack to allow complete openness for flat items. (All my former dishwashers for 15 years have been this way, so it was the right thing to do).
Lesson learned though.....the rack has huge gaps without the parts in place and things would just have fallen through and blocked the spray arm.
So I did a little "doctoring" and re-used the tines and the clips from the ChinaGuard and now it's just perfect. It can also be used to line plates or small bowls as the tines acts as perfect holders for such items.
Have a look at the pics and let me know what you think.
Oh, in the pics, the spray arm is the one from the 22 so you can see the uniform size of all the upper spray holes compared to the dual-sized ones one the 18-20 series.
I'm happy and yes, even though it's a 19, it washes amazingly and I love it!!!
Hmmm, fascinating stuff.
I guess I still just don't get the "center hump" in the upper rack still with the middle spray arm.
All I see is it's a nostalgia thing that Hobart left in.
Those racks DO look like they hold tons of stuff for sure....though in a very scattered, "mayhem" sorta way that would make my OCD ping off the scale, haha!
It does look better without the china guard, agreed.
I guess I still just don't get the "center hump" in the upper rack still with the middle spray arm.
All I see is it's a nostalgia thing that Hobart left in.
Those racks DO look like they hold tons of stuff for sure....though in a very scattered, "mayhem" sorta way that would make my OCD ping off the scale, haha!
It does look better without the china guard, agreed.
user 3941
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They do hold quite a bit John. I've still yet to run out of room. Lots of different configurations. I bought the small items basket which sits on top. It has a cover to keep things from getting thrown about. You saw my video so you know it has a bit of force to it. hahaha
tennblondie78
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Wish I were closer, too. That thing is beautiful and I'm not a fan of stainless, either. I would definitely make an exception for that one, though. Always seems like the good stuff is clear across the country from me!
user 3941
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Bob Load?
Loaded to the gills...just for you John! hahaha
This is def a Soak & Scrub-Pots/Pan Cycle. With Sani-Rinse because I made meatloaf and mixed it in my Kenmore (KitchenAid) stand mixer.[this post was last edited: 3/17/2016-19:36]
Loaded to the gills...just for you John! hahaha
This is def a Soak & Scrub-Pots/Pan Cycle. With Sani-Rinse because I made meatloaf and mixed it in my Kenmore (KitchenAid) stand mixer.[this post was last edited: 3/17/2016-19:36]
user 3941
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Everything came out spotless...aside from one tiny crusty piece left on the meatloaf pan. Not too shabby!
whitetub
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To Twin Tubber,
A KitchenAid is not a KitchenAid without the long original silverware basket.
It just does not look right. Sorry. lol
It would drive me crazy everytime I open the dishwasher door. Seriously.
A KitchenAid is not a KitchenAid without the long original silverware basket.
It just does not look right. Sorry. lol
It would drive me crazy everytime I open the dishwasher door. Seriously.
So they have graciously offered this dishwasher to all who read these messages, and NO TAKERS? My, my, my, next week someone will be crying "I can't find any vintage appliances............
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