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gansky1

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I brought my KDS-18 dishwasher down to the basement today for a test run before installing it in the kitchen in a few weeks. I had this dishwasher in the garage but not connected for a long time so I want to make sure everything is perfect before putting it into a brand-new kitchen. I've decided to use this machine instead of buying a new dishwasher for several reasons. The first is the frightening thread in the Deluxe forum on "Today's Dishwashers" that in summary means that unless you spend roughly a grand (or two) you won't get the performance (and speed) that some of the vintage machines deliver with ease. While it's true that we will use more water and energy with the KitchenAid, I will still only run it a few times a week so the cost vs. savings is rather a moot point. The other reason is because I have been using my KDS-56 and KDS-55 portables in the basement these long months of remodeling hell and have come to love the ability of these machines. Even with dishes that have sat for days, the Soak & Scrub cycle blasts everything away with obvious ease. If I had a built-in version of the 16 or 17 series, I might consider installing it, but there are advantages to the 18 series as well. The double wash arms (and constant rinse) allow for much more loading flexibility than the single-arm models, the cycles of the 18 series are very similar to those in the 16 & 17's without sacrificing the 180F sani-rinse and we still have a heated dry. I considered replacing the 800 watt drying element with an 1100 watt element from a 16 or 17, but am finding that 800 watts still gives adequate performance without the damaging heat in the back right corner of the lower rack. Of course, the drying heat can be shut off if desired with the energy saving option. With any drying element or option, there will still be small puddles in the bottoms of cups, etc. and rarely will plastics dry completely - especially in the top rack.

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A bit of the parts stash...

I found a bad drying fan motor and replaced the original water valve as it was a bit crusty from lime and hard water. I've run several cycles with Glass Magic to clean up some of the cloudy film on the porcelain. I'll pick up some of the citric acid dishwasher cleaner when I'm at the store next, but this works pretty well too and has a nice chlorine scent ;-)

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Now for what to do about the front panels. I'm thinking of taking them down to a sheet-metal works and having stainless cut for the front. It would match the refrigerator and the aluminum trim of the 57 GE range very well but certainly not as interesting and conversational as an enormous boob (see pic) but can't seem to find a picture large enough to paste on the front. It would be fun though...

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That is absolutely beautiful!

Looks nice Greg, that will be an awesome addition to your new kitchen!
 
I really tried to talk my sister out of letting this exact model go. It was in her house when she bought it about 20 years ago. She insisted it wasn't getting her dishes clean and was leaving black particles on things. A major part of the problem was that she hardly ever used it. I know I could have managed a fairly easy fix with some advice from other AW members, but she's 400 miles away and she was just plain over the KA and wanted to replace it.

So she got a Bosch and the KA went out on the curb. Needless to say, somebody who presumably knew what it was spotted it and it was gone in no time.

Mandy, that machine will be a beautiful addition to your kitchen. And a very capable addition as well. Enjoy it!

Ralph
 
Efficiency vs. life vs. use.

I like that Kitchen Aid!! Use it well, for a good long time.

I think that many of the contemporary "energy efficient" dishwashers (and washing machines) aren't really energy efficient at all! When considering how much energy and resources are used to manufacture a machine, transport it from factory to your house, install it, and dispose of the old one; how much energy would a new machine have to save during use over how long a period of time in order to save any energy upon comparison to keeping an existing machine? Sadly, so many new machines are so poorly engineered/built (shoddy materials don't help either) that their usable life is too short to realize any energy savings.
As for convenience, there is something to be said for short, but effective, cycle times. Why bother to have an automatic appliance if it isn't reasonably speedy? Furthermore, regarding miserly use of water and a few other things, why have an automatic appliance if it doesn't do a good job at its intended function? I don't care how energy efficient a dishwasher is unless it thoroughly cleans my dishes and has flexible racking to hold my variety of dishes and things.

If it ain't broke don't fix it. If it is broke, then fix it!
Dave
 
Fabulous choice Greg and the 18 will look so much nicer than a plastic or fake stainless steel modern dishwasher. Oh and I agree with Jon, go for a giant pec!
 
Hey

That's the same machine I'm going to pick up from Coldspot. I think I'm going to make that one into a portable. Gotta Love those older KitchenAids. They'll take the rust off a Trailer Hitch. I bought an Energy Saver IV brand new in 81. Outstanding Cleaning Performance.
News Flash about the KD2-P...stevet called today and ordered the new drain valve et al should be here next week. I can't wait to have the Big Blue Wash Arm and a 4-way HydroSweep side by side.
 
So a new GE dishwasher isn't in the works? ;-)

This 18 series KA is just stunning! What a great choice for the kitchen - I can just see it draped in oak and black granite right now....

My vote is for the boob.

Ben
 
Man, you are all making me feel guilty!

I feel like I would be killing my best friend if I take my 18 out of our kitchen and replaced it with the KUDP02IRWH2.
I have another 18 in the garage now and gave it a try the other night and it needs a blower motor of which I have the really heavy duty HOBART not Kitchenaid replacement motors for as well as new door hinges and another motor as the top bearing is getting noisy. I do have the spare bearings already but in the interest of time I will toss another whole pump into it.Or maybe really go hog wild and drop in a 21 pump assy and a separate drain pump too. I love to juice these units up!
 
Gansky.. lots of spares there

Gansky, I see you have a whole bunch spares for the old machines in boxes like I do but I no longer have such exotica(with an "x") as the hot air blower you have for the 14 and down units!
I also noticed that you had put in some new stuff on the 18 like the detergent dispenser and the matching white nuts for the rinse dispenser. they look good..even better than the blue ones! WOw! even a soap dispenser there for a 15-16 unit!I was just talking about that to Andrewinorlando on Sunday. Ahhh..simplicity in design. Your box is like mine.. maybe even find Waldo in there somewhere!
 
YAY Greg, I think you have made the best possible choice. Of course if you would rather trade that beauty for an almost new GE we should talk!!!LOL
 
Now for what to do about the front panels...

Greg, you might check out companies that produce static cling posters/stickers like those used by many mass transit companies. I think you could actually get some really interesting pieces of "art" for a relatively low cost. You could also change the art at will. And, what a conversation starter that would be... food for thought.
 
LaPearla or KDS-18

If you are not going to go for the LaPearla, then this is a good choicd. Actually one of my favorite dishwashers of all time. You will be thrilled with it. I think you should find the boob as the door panel.
 
Great dishwasher -- as if you didn't already know

The innards are just like my 20 year old ISE, and it's a great machine. You'll always be pleased.

And it looks great, too. You done good.

Jerry Gay
 
Greg, I am happy for you. With the addition of the larger upper wash arm, this is the finest performing KitchenAid Hobart ever made, IMHO. I looked at the recent Consumer Reports ratings of dishwashers and cannot believe they average 2 hours for a cycle. My KDS18s, WP and older Maytag can do the job in a little over an hour. I don't understand why it takes twice as long to clean dishes in the new dishwashers, unless it's analagous to a weak stream making another process take longer. I wonder if the cycle takes less time if you supply them with hot water at 140F?
 
Very Good Choice!

Greg,
You will love it! I have used many of the vintage model dishwashers, and I don't find any of them to clean as well as the Hobart made Kitchenaids.
I was lucky to find a KDS - 18 that was installed into a home, but never was hooked up to power or plumbing! The couple bought the house new, and never could understand why it did not work. They were getting rid of it to make cabinet space. I was lucky that one of guys that I had searching out for me was called by the couple to come get it if he wanted it, he did not want it, and called me to check it out. He knew it was an older Kitchenaid, but did not know what model. It is funny, because I almost did not go because it was about 100 miles away from me. I am glad that I went. When I got to the house I was happy with what I found. When I took off the bottom of the dishwasher, I could not get over the fact that it was never hooked up. The old couple fought the whole time while I was taking it out as to who was at fault for not calling the builder of their house, over the last 30 years. I could not get it out fast enough.
I love it, and it cleans anything, fast! I have it built in the kitchen. I also use a KDS-19 that I use have as a portable, and I think it is just as good of a cleaner. The cycles on the 19 are very different, and the actual wash is longer than the 18 series. The only complaint that I have about the 19 is that it does not have the upper constant rinse. That makes a huge difference when you have a packed load.
I decided with the 18 to keep the smaller upper wash arm in the 18 since it was original, and see if there would be any issues with cleaning. I have never had any cleaning issue with the smaller wash arm.
I think it will look super in your new kitchen! The KDS 18 to me is a very beautiful and modern looking machine.
Brent
 
HI Greg, It's MINT

What is "constant rinse," please, when you get a chance?

Mister Blackstone is mighty PO'ed that a K(i)D is blocking his view :-0

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Constant Rinse was KitchenAid's term for a water-distributing spinner at the top of the tub similar to the GE Power Shower, but smaller in scale and with curved outlets at either end to make it spin. KA had trouble with people breaking off the Constant Rinse by jamming a full top rack back into the machine. They came up with a smaller spinner as a replacement for broken ones. The Constant Rinse does make a BIG difference as far as keeping junk from winding up in the depressions in the bases of some glasses, bowls and the work bowl of the food processor if the little locking holes on the side are not angled for good drainage.
 
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