ultralux88
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Very true, some machines don't need as much. I have a Whirlpool PowerClean and hard water. If we had soft water or a machine that used less water I'd use less most likely.
KitchenAid KUDI23OBO Dishwasher Leaves Food On Dishes
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vintagelove
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Is medium water a thing? I don't have soft water or very hard water.
My son, myself, and a butter knife pried up the cap on the bottom of the dishwasher. We got down to the screen & it looks good. Kinda afraid to start digging deeper.
The Cascade makes a huge difference. I ran a load & it came out much better. No food all over the dishes. I'm hoping the right detergent is the fix.
Thank y'all so much for the advice.
My son, myself, and a butter knife pried up the cap on the bottom of the dishwasher. We got down to the screen & it looks good. Kinda afraid to start digging deeper.
The Cascade makes a huge difference. I ran a load & it came out much better. No food all over the dishes. I'm hoping the right detergent is the fix.
Thank y'all so much for the advice.
I hope everything will keep improving!!!!
repairguy
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A Whirlpool guy told me today a person should use a teaspoon of detergent for every grain of water hardness. So if your water hardness is 15 grains, you should use 15 teaspoons.
1tsp per grain of hardness
I have to balk at this.
My water is 25gpg.....and there's no way I would go and use 25tsp lol.
Especially when most dishwashers today fill with 1gal of water or less.
Your glasses would dissolve in weeks.
I have to imagine a water charge variable has to be involved in that equation.
When your water is over 15gpg, it's pretty much a toss-up if your dishwasher will "wash" at all.
I have to balk at this.
My water is 25gpg.....and there's no way I would go and use 25tsp lol.
Especially when most dishwashers today fill with 1gal of water or less.
Your glasses would dissolve in weeks.
I have to imagine a water charge variable has to be involved in that equation.
When your water is over 15gpg, it's pretty much a toss-up if your dishwasher will "wash" at all.
A traveling softener salesman some years ago tested my water at 9 grains. My dishwasher's dispenser has a capacity 2 teaspoons (10g) for the prewash cup and 6 teaspoons (30g) for the main wash cup.
vacerator
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With all the chatter about
not needing to rinse dishes, my dad told me the dishwasher is mainly a sinitizer, and that's why it was invented. A guy from Kowloon Alberta, or used to be, at least agrees with me. He siad rinse your dishes off. It wasn't on here, but it was in one of his online comments.
not needing to rinse dishes, my dad told me the dishwasher is mainly a sinitizer, and that's why it was invented. A guy from Kowloon Alberta, or used to be, at least agrees with me. He siad rinse your dishes off. It wasn't on here, but it was in one of his online comments.
The first successful dishwashing machine was invented by wealthy socialite Josephine Cochran/e in an effort to avoid the troubles of her household staff breaking her china and crystal and get the job done quicker then handwashing. Sanitization isn't stated as a primary reason for her effort, although of course a machine can douse the dishware with water hotter than is safe for hands and with more aggressive chemical cleaners.
Woman Invented Dishwasher, Patented 12/28/1886
vintagelove
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I have no idea as to the actual hardness of my water. I found a map that said I have moderately hard water.
Lowes used to sell a test kit. I just called our water utility.
vintagelove
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Here I am again. This dishwasher, which I do like, still isn't washing dishes very well even removing all food first.
Can I fix it? Am I expecting too much? Or should I get another dishwasher?
And if an old dishwasher has rust on bottom of door, is that a hard pass?
Thank you all.
Can I fix it? Am I expecting too much? Or should I get another dishwasher?
And if an old dishwasher has rust on bottom of door, is that a hard pass?
Thank you all.
dustin92
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In a quick scan of the thread, I haven't seen anyone suggest to check that the machine is filling with the correct amount of water.. I don't know how much these are supposed to hold per fill, but maybe try adding half a gallon or so of water to the machine manually after it finishes each fill? See if that makes any difference. Could be a clogged inlet screen or restricted shutoff valve. Also I'd experiment with detergents- I'm having good luck lately with a Cascade pod in the main wash compartment and Cascade complete liquid in the prewash. I never rinse first and we are currently using a cheap dishwasher- NO dishwasher should be leaving food particles on the dishes.
vintagelove
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I've no clue how much water the machine needs. It had a float thingee in the front that goes up & down. I can try adding water after it fills.
I found an article on the internet about increasing water pressure by removing back panel and turning a screw. Does my machine have this?
I found an article on the internet about increasing water pressure by removing back panel and turning a screw. Does my machine have this?
The fill period is timed, usually 2 mins. Normal fill level is *not* controlled by the float. The float is for overfill protection ... for example in the event that the wash water doesn't fully drain, the next fill of 2 mins for rinse would overfill the tub so the float shuts the water off before that happens.
Normal fill level should touch the heating element, if not slightly cover it.
There is no adjustment screw for the water pressure or fill level. You may be confusing that with some models of washing machines.
point voyager similar problem
My mom had a whirlpool gold point voyager dishwasher which would leave grit inside the glasses in the corners and leak rinse aid. I think the worst was leaving grit in glasses. She was forced to run pots/pans, soak/scour and heat dry. Finally, she'd had enough and bought a kenmore in 2011 and she didn't miss the whirlpool. My dad took possession of it until 2016 prior to the Frigidaire which lasted until late 2017. My dad has a Kenmore which has powerwave and triple filtration. I don't miss the food grinder due to my experience. Well, maybe a little. I think the alternating wash arms helped the dishwasher perform better than I expected.
My mom had a whirlpool gold point voyager dishwasher which would leave grit inside the glasses in the corners and leak rinse aid. I think the worst was leaving grit in glasses. She was forced to run pots/pans, soak/scour and heat dry. Finally, she'd had enough and bought a kenmore in 2011 and she didn't miss the whirlpool. My dad took possession of it until 2016 prior to the Frigidaire which lasted until late 2017. My dad has a Kenmore which has powerwave and triple filtration. I don't miss the food grinder due to my experience. Well, maybe a little. I think the alternating wash arms helped the dishwasher perform better than I expected.
stevet
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Upper manifold issue, maybe?
When Kitchenaid discontinued using a constant rinse on the top of the tub, they replaced it sometime later with a supply manifold for the upper wash arm under the top rack with a manifold with a small slit in it that would spray water over the tops of whatever was in the top rack.
You may want to take a look and see if your machine has that style manifold and if so, make sure that there is not some debris or build up that is preventing the water from spraying out.
If there is no slit in it at all, send me an email as I have two of them available. I think it will help your situation. Not necessarily a cure all but certainly won't hurt.
Attaching pics of what it looks like.
When Kitchenaid discontinued using a constant rinse on the top of the tub, they replaced it sometime later with a supply manifold for the upper wash arm under the top rack with a manifold with a small slit in it that would spray water over the tops of whatever was in the top rack.
You may want to take a look and see if your machine has that style manifold and if so, make sure that there is not some debris or build up that is preventing the water from spraying out.
If there is no slit in it at all, send me an email as I have two of them available. I think it will help your situation. Not necessarily a cure all but certainly won't hurt.
Attaching pics of what it looks like.
iheartmaytag
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I had the issues with my KA a year back
Actually fought with Sear's home warranty for two years, then finally went to repair clinic and fixed the issue myself. New fill valve.
Actually fought with Sear's home warranty for two years, then finally went to repair clinic and fixed the issue myself. New fill valve.
vintagelove
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I've checked the water and it seems to be getting plenty of water.
I'll check the spray arms next and the manifold thingee next to make sure they aren't clogged.
I do appreciate all yalls help & advice. Thank you.
I'll check the spray arms next and the manifold thingee next to make sure they aren't clogged.
I do appreciate all yalls help & advice. Thank you.
sudsmaster
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Probably something amiss in the filtration.
Check that every thing filter-wise is seated properly, with no gaps.
Also you might try this link:
https://www.partselect.com/Models/KUDI230B0/Symptoms/Not-cleaning-dishes-properly/
Check that every thing filter-wise is seated properly, with no gaps.
Also you might try this link:
https://www.partselect.com/Models/KUDI230B0/Symptoms/Not-cleaning-dishes-properly/
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