Laptop computers- Which ones are good and and which are bad?

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As my live turns..

My laptop died thursday night.. The screen whent blank and kaput.. 18 months old... It was a Dell.. Costs over $500 to fix it.. Forget that noise. SO... I am off to buy a new computer (not that i have the money, but this POS dell thing i am using SUCKS)...

DOes any one have any experiance with a Lennovo or Toshiba?? Those are the two i am looking at...

Dell is iffy... They have ok stuff, but it always seems to have some kind of tech issue (or at least the laptops)

SOny is expensive

HP/COmpaq= No way
Gateway is also out

ANy other thoughts?
No desktops either

And apple is a no go.. I have software i run thats IBM only..

Thansk
 
I used to work with Dell laptops. I think Toshibas are better made. Compaqs tend to be better made, as well. Not that the Dells are all that bad - I would chose one over the Sony Vaio, which like many Sony products is too lightly built to hold up to rough handling (IMHO).

Lennove is basically the IBM notebook. Those are OK too.

CR's reliability ratings for notebooks are fairly tightly grouped, ranging from 16% for the Sony to 19% for the Gateway. Since differences of less than 3% are not considered significant, it may be that there is really not much difference between the selections - at least as far as those who respond to CR's annual reliability surveys. I would say, however, that the general grouping around 15% is not all that great for a consumer product. That means that 15% of all units require some sort of repair. Not good. In fact, it's almost a guarantee that your notebook will fail in some way.

At that point, the mfg's customer service becomes important. There, the ratings for various brands vary more widely, from 87% positive for Apple, to 47% for Compaq. From top down, it's, Appple, Lenovo, Toshiba, Dell, Gateway, HP, Sony, Compaq. Based on these ratings, I'd say either the Toshiba or the Lenovo might be relatively better risks. Still, I'd suggest personally evaluating the units. If you tend to be rough on equipment (as I tend to be), give preference to the heavier, more sturdily built machine.
 
Thanks.. The Toshiba seems to be the best choice for me... I just don't see how a $1500 computer could die within 18 months.. Its broken 3 times i can count, i only have fixed it once (it no longer works on battery power either).. Grams has a slightly older dell (the one i am on now) and it SUCKS..

Yes i am rough on stuff.. The few sonys i have seen have been fairly strong looking.. Hmm

Dell is probably a no-go.. I have had quite a few dells and never been 100% pleased with em..
 
The Dell laptops USED to be great machines, but I think when production volume went up, reliablility and build quality went thru the floor.
Personally, I use an old IMB ThinkPad and it's built like a tank. The IRS used to use them for field agents. Built like tanks. IBM sold off their laptop unti to Lennovo. I would try one of those machines next.
 
I used to have an HP laptop that died within two years-Display backlight driver kept going-then anotherproblem-the LCD display panel went---Haven't bought another computer since-typing this on one at work.
 
That looks like a nice Lenovo, however, the Celeron M processor is relatively old and slow. I've seen Toshiba notebooks with Dual Core Intel processors for $700 locally (Fry's). But then Fry's is a nightmare to deal with.
 
They don't have a built in media reader, which i would like to have..

Whats funny is that its the same specs as my current one (a dell) with a 40 gb bigger hard drive... Plus the ram is upgradable..

MY b/f is a computer wiz kid, but i would rather get other ideas besides his..

Although he seems to think the Lennovo is a good idea too..

They also have a Toshiba the same price as well, but i don't like the keybord arrangement
 
Sony Vaio here.
Going on 4 years with no problems and has been used every day. I will never go back to a desktop.
Good Luck
Bill
 
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Damn stores.. Thats an online item only... GRRRRRR
Calling around to try and find a computer IN stock for that price.. Yeah right...
 
Fry's is a nightmare to deal with.....

For the initial purchase, Fry's is fine (other then the long check out line).... but yes you are correct, if you have to go back for service, or gawd-forbid to return something... well forget it!

Chad: I'm sure your BF will tell you this too, but, what ever you buy, make sure to upgrade the RAM so you have AT LEAST 1GB (if not more). Windows XP is a real memory pig and the 512MB that most systems come with now is just the bare minimum it needs to work smoothly. If you play games with heavy graphics, or do photo or video editing or other graphics related things, it will not run smoothly and will be very slow!

More memory will allow the computer to run faster and more smoothly when it's "working".

That is my 7 1/5 cents worth.
 
Once we bought a high end HP Color Laser printer from Fry's. We got it home unpacked it and printed out about 10 sheets of print. Then the machine started giving warnings that the color cartridges were low on toner. After looking carefully in the shipping box, we found some printing work from some other buisness in town. They obviously bought this printer for a big print job, printed it and then packed the printer up and returned it. While it did take a few supervisors and the store manager to review the case, Fry's did give us a refund. We would have taken another brand new one, but that was the last they had.
What some people will do!
 
Apple Macs now use Intel and *can* run windows software.

Just to let you know, Apple changed processor from PowerPC to Intel X86, so you can actually install a copy of Windows XP or Vista onto the machine and boot into it if you so wish to run your windows programmes.

you can also get a peice of software called parellels which allows you to run Windows, Linux, or any other PC operating system ontop of Mac OS X, sharing the desktop.

It's pretty seamless and very handy if you've a lot of Windows/Linux software.

The MacBook Pro has an Intel Core2Duo processor 2.16 or 2.33Ghz
Ships with 1 or 2GB of RAM

The more "consumer focused" MacBook ships with a 1.83GHz or 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
 
Don't forget Boot Camp, if you don't mind running one OS at a time. I've tried Parallels in the Apple Store on a 2.16 GHz iMac, and it ran pretty fast and seamlessly, even faster than my current 1.1 GHz P3 Dell.
 
I never buy anything from Fry's that has been repackaged. Usually they slap a sticker on it that states as such, but I guess in your case, not always.

Also, if I see a lot of product on the shelf that has the repackaging sticker, I suspect that product has some bugs or other problems that make it incompatible with many systems - so I avoid it as well.

A classic Fry's experience: I bought a couple of cheap CPU's (less than $200) for setting up a home test network. I had some problems with one of them, and fixed it by putting in some other memory chips I had around the office. I then took the CPU back to Fry's and asked them to replace the defective ram chips. They gave me a BIG run-around about how I had to contact the manufacturer. I pointed out that Fry's was the manufacturer ("Great Quality" brand) and that it was up to them to fix their product or give me a full refund (it was less than 30 days). After a couple of hours they finally coughed up some replacement chips. It was a real hassle.

Another problem with Fry's are their advertised rebates. I'd say about 1/2 the time I never receive the advertised rebate even though I've followed all the mail-in instructions. As far as I'm concerned, their advertised rebates are mostly fraudulent.
 
Asus

I have an Asus z70va which is a great lappy. They're the same company that builds motherboards, video cards, etc.

Mine's a year old now and it's been great.

For gaming, you could also get a Sager which has powerful graphics chips in them.

http://www.allasus.com
 
A good source for laptops . . .

is euclidcomputers.com. I bought a Fujitsu "N" series notebook in fall 2003, and they had a good price, quick service, and didn't charge me California tax. Lots of mail order places (like Dell) will charge you state tax even if they're not shipping from your state, because most states have a clause that if the vendor has any operation at all in the state they have to charge the tax. For me, 8.25% added up quickly on a nearly $2K purchase. Euclid also has a huge, huge list of computers.

The Fujitsu has been OK, but a couple of months ago it developed either a problem in the video driver or video card. The latter requires a new motherboard, so I need to do a clean install of everything and see if that fixes it. To its credit, it spent a lot of time running Autocad Architectural Desktop which is a real graphics pig and it performed better than expected.

I wouldn't buy anything from Dell regardless of their quality. When I bought the Fujitsu I spent a lot of time researching, and found the Dell site to be a huge time waster. They didn't price the options, so you had no real idea of the final price for your preferred combo until you finished. Then if it was too much (and boy did those options add up!), you didn't have any idea which options were the most expensive, so you had to repeatedly add and subtract options and have them recalculate the price. I finally gave up because if they don't care about my time before I order, how can I expect them to care if I have a problem?
 
Dell Inspiron 5100

I have been working on my Dell laptop since Jan '03 with absolutely no problems. In fact, Steve works on this computer too.
I just have to have a 'chill pad' under the laptop since it tends to run hot.
And is was $999 including shipping.

I would get another. The Dell replaced a Gateway, which was a true POS.
 
Thanks Guys!

Here's what i got after doing some shopping by phone and such..

Office Depot lost a sale when i discoverd that not much online is the same as in the store-I wanted a Lenovo..But

I didn't even bother with Best Buy.. They suck.. I refuse to buy anything major there again after the fiasco with the router they sould me.. YOU can only return 3 things a year to them.. THATS IT!

Staples didn't have anything either i liked

Wal-Mart/Sams -Neither one has a Toshiba in stock-Plus with windows vista just out, most everything is sold out

Office Max-They got my busniess.. They shot me straight from the get go, and had what i wanted in stock.. All i had to do was come in and pay and walk out with my Toshiba Laptop.. Yeah!
With protection plan and some POS card reader (that will be headed back tommrow) it was $915... I plan to upgrade to 1 gig of ram.. Its only $50 or $60 from Toshiba..

Once i deleted Mcafee, i love it!

Below is another Linkie to Dell... It would have cost roughly $1300 for a similar unit from Dell... No way!

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DNCWHG1&s=dhs
http://www.officemax.com/max/soluti...odBlockOID=1611553621&expansionOID=-536879891
 
Thanks... Are there any good free virus programs out? I can not afford another monthly kinda thing?? Thanks
 
Fry's, Trend Micro, Toshiba, Fujitsu

Fry's absolutely sucks. They have all this repackaging equipment to make something appear to be new in the box when it's actually a returned item. I bought a wireless router and couldn't get it to work. Called the support number and it turned out this router was such old inventory that there were tons of updates I'd have to download from the manufacturer's website to MAYBE get the thing to work. It went back. I don't bother with Fry's much anymore. It's always a zoo inside and outside and the sales force is the most smarmy bunch of people you'd ever not want to meet, and few if any have knowledge of the products they sell. They are there to make a commission and that's it.

I use Trend Micro. I tried to load some virtual networking software so I could work from home and Mc Afee wouldn't let me. I had to remove it. Symantec (Norton) is also super aggravating, their online support sends you in circles and gives no option to contact them. Trend gives you an 800 number for help.

I was shopping for a laptop over the summer and was going for a Toshiba but heard a computer guy on the radio raving about Futitsu, there was a good deal on one, so that's what I ended up with and so far I'm happy with it. I think you did fine with the Toshiba, though.
 
Sploder, I wish I would've seen this thread before you bought. I ABOSLUTELY HATE MY TOSHIBA SATELLITE P35-S611! It's flakey. I'll be typing & all of the sudden the cursor will go back to the beginning of the sentence or move back a word or two. Just enough to really pi$$ me off. It started this right out of the box. The dvd-rw drive quit working just a month after purchase. Toshiba had me reformat the hd after about 4 months to try to solve some other issues, so I lost a lot of crap. I couldn't back it up because the damn dvd drive was out again. I was really hoping to love the Toshiba. It has a 17" screen, 100gb hd, dvd-rw, a lot of RAM, etc. Customer service is obviously set up in India. Out of the 8 or 10 different customer srevice reps that I had to deal with, only 1 was ever helpful or easy to understand. The others were horrible. I paid close to $1800 two years ago. The damn thing came with only demo programs that expired after 30-90 days. For that amount of money, you'd think that you'd get some programs. Now to start the damn thing, you almost have to press the start button clear though the machine. Believe me, I am not hard on things, nor am I a novice computer user. I wish you well with the new computer. I hope that Toshiba worked out some of the bugs & crap that plagued (or should I say, still plagues) my computer. Like I said, I really wanted to like it. Sorry to rant on & on and sound so negative. I just hope they got their act together.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Toshiba_Satellite_P35_S611/4505-3121_7-31273665.html
 
Chad,

Whichever program you use, somebody will be bound to tell you it is a mistake.
The only thing everybody agrees on is that McAfee is even worse than most.
I have been using AntiVir Personal Edition Classic for several years now and it has served me well.
The free version is at: www.free-av.com
My dad uses the version you pay for once a year and is just as happy with his.
Never found a program which gets all the nasties, so also use the Microsoft Malware update once a month.
As long as we are on the topic, I use Dell laptops and have done for many years. Yes, their customer service is horrible. But their build quality is not bad and I have yet to have a serious problem with one.
Apple may build some good computers, but the arrogance of so many Apple users just turns me off. I seriously doubt they are worth the price and my friends in the publishing world have even worse headaches with repairs and in-warranty service than Dell users.
So enjoy yours and never mind what the rest of us say...you know how men are. The older the boy, the more expensive his toys and the ego involvement with cars and computers is just absurd.
(Sean, I didn't mean YOU, you are just a wonderful PC and I love you dearly. I meant those OTHER beige boxes out there, they aren't like you, at all. You are my one and only computer).
 
Not wanting to start a holy war, but...

In regards to Apple users, don't mistake their confidence for "arrogance".

That confidence comes from not having to worry about spyware, adware, virus scares, driver updates, MS patches, blue screens, hardware conflicts, etc. etc. An Apple person never has to think twice about questioning who an email is from or if an attachment can be opened safely. There's never a wonderment of why their system is bogging or if they need to run utilities to "clean" their system. Things just work, and they have the power to run full OS X apps as well as any Windows app their heart desires; simultaneously if they wish. This is not a question of marketshare or which camp "hackers" are targetting, but rather the hardware-software integration robustness. Of course nothing is perfect in this world, but some things get close!
 
hrm...

"Apple may build some good computers, but the arrogance of so many Apple users just turns me off. I seriously doubt they are worth the price and my friends in the publishing world have even worse headaches with repairs and in-warranty service than Dell users."

First, I'd like to mention that I am a computer geek for a living, and also say that I have been an Apple Certified Desktop Tech for a number of years. I use Macintoshes 90% of the time, and they just work better with my brain.

That said, I also administer the service plans for the Dell computers we have in our fleet. I get to see both sides of things.

Today, computers are mostly the same inside. You can compare Apples to oranges, so to speak, because we are all wearing the same technological underpants.

From a service standpoint, I see about as many macs in for service as I do Dells. Computers break. No manufaturer, in my opinion, is doing a stellar job in reliability. These are complicated things, and its very hard to get them right.

From a durability standpoint, I have to say, the Apple computer will win hands down. A Toyota is durable, a Center-Dial Maytag is durable, and a Macintosh is durable. I put 700 Apple laptops in the hands of inner-city school children, and nearly as many Dells in another school, and the Apples come back year after year, where the Dells are damaged beyond repair. For a fleet, the Apples are worth servicing because we get a longer, more useful life out of them, with their guts hanging together longer than our Dells.

As far as cost, well, you saw the Dell Chad was looking at was over $1300. His Toshiba was a great deal at $950. For what its worth, the MacBook starts at $1099, so while its a bit more expensive, but you do get a nice little webcam built in, and the neat power cord that prevents you from dragging your lappy off the table when you trip in the cord. And you can run Windows all day long and not apologise for it, 100% natively, at full speed. And you can run the MacOs as well, and play with all the neat bundled toys, like the iLife suite, that come bundled, instead of McAffee, which is kinda no fun to play with.

I'm not trying to be arrogant. I honestly don't care what kindsa computers you all use. I think you should buy whatever computer you can afford, and whatever one makes sense to you and suits your needs, be it a Mac, a Dell, a Sony, a Toshiba, a Kaypro, or a Commodore 64.

The arrogance you detect form Mac users is misguided exuberance. When you really "get" it about the Mac, when you use one, and when it clicks for you, using the computer goes from being a chore and a means to and end, and instead it frees you. The computer fades into the backround, and you feel like you are just getting things done. There are very few snags, bumps, crashes, or intrusions into your train of thought.

Its hard not to be excited about that; its appealing to a lot of people. Thats why mac folks tend to get preachy and all... they simply can't understand why you would want to use anything else. Its as if you said "No thanks, no automatic for me, i'll just stick to doing laundry by beating my clothes on a rock down in the river." If you had a small minority of people telling you that one type of washing machines was soo much better than just about anything out there, wouldn't you be curious?

What it all comes down to is that if you are happy using what you have, use it. Who cares... life is too short. But if you are frustrated and you want an alternative, or you think that maybe there might be more to the whole computer thing than you are getting from the mainstream OS, then you should check out the alternative. Don't go assuming that something might not be as good as it is, because you don't know - the Mac wouldn't have hung around for 23 years in the face of Windows if there wasn't something to it.

Not meant to be a flame, just trying to help the windows folks understand where we are coming from. At this point, in real life, I would make a joke about Steve Jobs and his Magic Cool-Aide. And then say "Screw this, lets all go out for a beer."
 
Thanks.. From what i have read, Toshiba makes a really good product.. So far, knock on wood, it works well.. Mine has the Office Depot max care warranty so if it breaks 3 times for any reason, i get a new one. I got AVG anti virus, will see how that goes.. Thanks again.
 
I do most of my work on Macs...

so I understand their value. What bothers me - and is the reason why I stick to Linux and NT at home, is the arrogance of many Apple followers. Not the exuberance nor their pleasure in their often truly great design.
No, the "mine is better than yours" attitude coupled with the legendary unwillingness to learn the first thing about file sharing with the rest of the world. And the absurd pricing, at least here in Germany. For the same money, I can build a computer of equal quality, fit it with a supported Linux (heck, at the current Apple prices here in Munich, I can even do it with SUN) and have better, more reliable software on hardware of equal quality and aesthetics.
If you like Apple, great...you have reason to - but the PC bashing from so many Apple disciples sets my teeth so on edge, I just don't want to be part of that crowd.
I think maybe we should just drop this topic. I know where it usually ends up when folks start this discussion.
 
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