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Sorry but no room for a built-in unit. Otherwise would be speaking to my Secret Squirrel again! *LOL*
Very cheap price for an excellent unit. A member should nab this quickly.
Sorry but no room for a built-in unit. Otherwise would be speaking to my Secret Squirrel again! *LOL*
Very cheap price for an excellent unit. A member should nab this quickly.
If only the appliance places here were still in their older stores-you may find something like this or other goodies!-but als they have new places now,such finds would be long gone years ago.
Is the 21 series still KitchenAid / Hobart built, or was it Whirlpool by then?
Thanks!
Kevin
Thanks!
Kevin
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RevvinKevin hope this helps a little bit.
Actually this model here was made by Whirlpool.
The Original Hobart Models for the 21 Series were as listed below
Custom KDC-21C
Imperial KDI-21C
Superba KDS-21C
When Whirlpool took over the Secies for the 21 Series are listed below.
Custom KDC-21AC Portable KDC-61AC
Imperial KDC-21AC
Superba KDS-21AC
When Whirlpool took over there was the only one 61 series portable dishwasher. This was the Custom model. The Custom and Imperial dishwashers that were made my Whirlpool got rid of the 140 degrees where it would preheat the water to that temperature before the dishwasher would start circulating. Superba dishwashers kept the Sure Temp water heating on the 21AC to the 23 Series dishwashers that were made my Whirlpool.
When Hobart made these dishwashers they were tanks (Hurricanes) in a box. They would last forever. These days don't expect them to get a very long lifespan. Some KitchenAid dishwashers that do date back to the 50's still run in today's home.
Another thing is that when Hobarts made the KitchenAid dishwashers they used 1/2 horsepower motor from the 15 Series and up while the other manufacturers used 1/3 horsepower.
That is why the Kitchenaids made my Hobart were called Tanks of Hurricanes in a box.
Actually this model here was made by Whirlpool.
The Original Hobart Models for the 21 Series were as listed below
Custom KDC-21C
Imperial KDI-21C
Superba KDS-21C
When Whirlpool took over the Secies for the 21 Series are listed below.
Custom KDC-21AC Portable KDC-61AC
Imperial KDC-21AC
Superba KDS-21AC
When Whirlpool took over there was the only one 61 series portable dishwasher. This was the Custom model. The Custom and Imperial dishwashers that were made my Whirlpool got rid of the 140 degrees where it would preheat the water to that temperature before the dishwasher would start circulating. Superba dishwashers kept the Sure Temp water heating on the 21AC to the 23 Series dishwashers that were made my Whirlpool.
When Hobart made these dishwashers they were tanks (Hurricanes) in a box. They would last forever. These days don't expect them to get a very long lifespan. Some KitchenAid dishwashers that do date back to the 50's still run in today's home.
Another thing is that when Hobarts made the KitchenAid dishwashers they used 1/2 horsepower motor from the 15 Series and up while the other manufacturers used 1/3 horsepower.
That is why the Kitchenaids made my Hobart were called Tanks of Hurricanes in a box.
toploader55
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I think
The 17 or 18 series were the 1/2 HP.
I believe the earlier were Hobart Built 1/3 HP.
Oh Stevet............
I know my 18 and 20 are 1/2 HP while my KDS=55, Regency et al are 1/3.
The 17 or 18 series were the 1/2 HP.
I believe the earlier were Hobart Built 1/3 HP.
Oh Stevet............
I know my 18 and 20 are 1/2 HP while my KDS=55, Regency et al are 1/3.
Whirlpool KitchenAid
A very very obvious clue to this fact is on the very outside of the box. KitchenAid, St. Joseph, Michigan. That's whirlpool country. Hobarts were produced in Ohio I believe.
A very very obvious clue to this fact is on the very outside of the box. KitchenAid, St. Joseph, Michigan. That's whirlpool country. Hobarts were produced in Ohio I believe.
I replaced a rusted-out 1974 Lady Kenmore with this dishwasher. It heated the water before the first wash, which set it apart from other brands. It was certainly one of the best-cleaning machines of its day, as well. It would be considered noisy by today's standards, but you'd certainly be getting, as was stated above, a hurricane-in-a-box!
Hope someone snatches up this fine example of American-built quality.
Hope someone snatches up this fine example of American-built quality.
Remember when new appliances came in those large crates.
Most every boy in our area growing up would turn them into a "fort" or found some use, despite often some mother's objections about being "dangerous". Most area dads were happy to comply and often even helped "build". Said mothers soon came to realize the virtues of those forts. They kept little boys entertained for hours, and you knew where they were.
Most every boy in our area growing up would turn them into a "fort" or found some use, despite often some mother's objections about being "dangerous". Most area dads were happy to comply and often even helped "build". Said mothers soon came to realize the virtues of those forts. They kept little boys entertained for hours, and you knew where they were.
And it only gave one rinse after the wash which was preceded by a one quart purge. Many of these machines had the unfortunate problem of the upper rack rails rusting under the vinyl which was not a pretty thing, especially on a machine costing that much. Yes, it heated the first fill to 140F before water circulation began, but the cold tank and dishes quickly cooled that water to around 100F, so there was little effectiveness of traditional dishwasher detergents and the prewash was not long enough for an enzyme product to do much. Meanwhile, the water in the pipe was cooling during the heating phase and during this prewash and was not purged before the next fill.
New in Box KA DW
This is a great deal for someone that wants a REAL KA DW, Even though WP owned the name by this time this would be about as all Hobart as you can get, WP had yet to make any real [ and much needed ] design improvements. However KA DWs did have a lot of shortcomings by this time.
The preheating the first fill was the dumbest thing that Hobart ever did in designing a DW, as Tom mentioned it did very little good and it was all down the drain in a few minutes anyway and then the cooled water in your water line came in and the DW never reaches a wash temperature over 140 unless you keep your hot water at at least 140 to start with. When ever I use my KDSS-20 I run a R&H cycle with 1 TS of detergent on the door and as soon as it drains then I immediately start the Heavy Wash cycle, doing this cuts out over 10 minutes of running a 1400 watt electric element and produces a better cleaner result.
If one wanted the top cleaning DW from this time period the KM Ultra-Wash or similar WP Power-Clean are much better performing DWs. The TOL MT RR and GE Multi-Orbit DWs are also better cleaning machines overall, but the later two have significant design flaws when it comes to loading a lot of dishes mixed with pots and pans and other large items in a load. Both GE and MT abandoned their DW designs of this time period in the 1990s in favor of more usable designs.
This is a great deal for someone that wants a REAL KA DW, Even though WP owned the name by this time this would be about as all Hobart as you can get, WP had yet to make any real [ and much needed ] design improvements. However KA DWs did have a lot of shortcomings by this time.
The preheating the first fill was the dumbest thing that Hobart ever did in designing a DW, as Tom mentioned it did very little good and it was all down the drain in a few minutes anyway and then the cooled water in your water line came in and the DW never reaches a wash temperature over 140 unless you keep your hot water at at least 140 to start with. When ever I use my KDSS-20 I run a R&H cycle with 1 TS of detergent on the door and as soon as it drains then I immediately start the Heavy Wash cycle, doing this cuts out over 10 minutes of running a 1400 watt electric element and produces a better cleaner result.
If one wanted the top cleaning DW from this time period the KM Ultra-Wash or similar WP Power-Clean are much better performing DWs. The TOL MT RR and GE Multi-Orbit DWs are also better cleaning machines overall, but the later two have significant design flaws when it comes to loading a lot of dishes mixed with pots and pans and other large items in a load. Both GE and MT abandoned their DW designs of this time period in the 1990s in favor of more usable designs.
Has anyone gone after this? I'm only about 40 minutes away. Don't make me mercy-save this one!
Ben
Ben
danemodsandy
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Actually, Ben....
....Only my knowledge of how hard you've worked on the KA you have kept me from suggesting that your home was the perfect one for this!
....Only my knowledge of how hard you've worked on the KA you have kept me from suggesting that your home was the perfect one for this!
Well Someone Ought To Go & Quickly
Before the usual suspects start whispering sweet nothings in the seller's ears and the thing becomes more expensive.
L.
Before the usual suspects start whispering sweet nothings in the seller's ears and the thing becomes more expensive.
L.
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My KDS-21A
says Hobart built. It cleans like a mother!!
says Hobart built. It cleans like a mother!!
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