lg dishwashers

[joeypete]

Thank you

For reposting that. Like I stated, in my Frigidaire 2445, high temp wash is 140 degrees. Lower than the LG. lol

 

[gelaundry4ever]

I'm not so against quiet.

I am not against quiet! LG should've put tons of heat tolerant sound insulation on their dishwashers! They should've built dishwashers that just start the wash action instantly... not slow starts and stops! And when fill is complete! My Whirlpool Gold pauses when done filling, then starts the wash action - getting right down to business! That's how a dishwasher should run! Quiet has gone so overboard to the point where the dishes come out dirty even when using the best of dishwasher detergents and rinse aids, loading properly, and without prerinsing! No prerinsing equals dirty dishes caked with grit and grime! Geez!

 

[iheartmaytag]

Jerome

You are no longer allowed to use the (!).  If you use it again you will be sent to the naughty step for 5 minutes.  If the (!) continue then your computer will be programmed to automatically remove the key from your keyboard.

 

NOW--It has been explained on several post why a dishwasher, not just the LG would do a stop start.  My Kitchenaid starts and stops during the fill as it is sensing if there is enough water, but not too much.  You can choose a cycle (1 hour wash) that will just fill to the max and start at it, but this is not as energy or water efficient. 

 I do not, nor have I ever pre-rinsed, and I do not have dirty dishes at the end of the cycle.

 

[this post was last edited: 10/30/2015-17:27]

 

[gelaundry4ever]

poor performance.

Poor performance explains why the dishwasher is so quiet. There is not enough pressure! All it does is wet your dishes for 2 hours! Dishes still come out dirty with these LG dishwashers! You call that washing? It's not!! LG dishwashers need force to blast your dishes clean! You can't wash dishes with steam! That is just marketing hype!

 

[gelaundry4ever]

I'm not a troll.

I am not a troll. I do research. I just saw the video of the lg dishwasher on the inside vs. other brands, like Whirlpool, GE and Frigidaire etc. And those I have seen put out force like dishwashers are supposed to do! LG. no no no no no! The spray was so weak that I refer to it as a power lawn sprinkler! Everybody else had promising wash pressure unlike LG!

 

[DADoES]

 
GELaundry4ever,

Why are you on a rant specifically against LG dishwashers?  LG isn't the only brand that has soil sensing, smaller pumps and motors with reduced spray pressure and long cycles and lower temperatures.  All the other brands are good?  LG is the only brand that is bad?

 

[DADoES]

 
GELaundry4ever,

I put items like this into my dishwasher.  This dish sat for 4 days before washing.  It was not scraped or rinsed first.

 

[DADoES]

 
This is how the dish came out at the end.  Clean.  And dry.  Do you think my dishwasher is a good one?  Can you tell what is the brand and model?

 

[kb0nes]

I am not a troll

If it walks like a duck...

What exactly is the point of coming on this forum and doing NOTHING but bashing LG dishwashers and HE washers?

Perhaps if you'd care to actually engage in rational discussion rather simply bashing ad nauseam based entirely on cherry picked hearsay "evidence", people may not consider that you are trolling.

 

[iheartmaytag]

You were warned about the (!!!!!) get to the naughty step

While you are sitting there.  There are a number of reasons why a dishwasher does not have to just blast high pressure at the dishes to get them clean.  Noise level is not an indicator of effectiveness. 

 

Besides the afore menti<span style="font-size: 12pt;">o<span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">ned energy and water savings, you don't need a high pressure blast in all instances.  </span></span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Take for example if you were hand washing a baking dish.  If the food was dried on and stuck on, a reasonable person would usually soak the dish for  awhile before scrubbing it.  Usually the more you soak the softer more hydrated the stuck on food becomes and it just slides off with minimal effort.   </span></span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Modern dishwashers work on this principal in many ways, they use gentle cascades of water rather than blasts.   The gentle continued "soak" loosens the food and allows it to be washed away.   This process does not take 3 hours.  The longest cycle on my machine runs about 90 - 120 minutes.  This is not an issue as I usually run it at night anyway.  Some machines have a steam generator whereas the steam is used to loosen the food and allow it to be washed away,</span></span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">No this is not your mother's hurricane as previously stated earlier in this thread.  But it isn't needed.  Also this process with an enzyme detergent is more gentle on your dishes.  True you can wash Grandma's fine china with a Pressure washer, but is it necessary?  And would it be harder on the dishes.  </span></span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">My dishwasher, again as I stated, is very quiet.  Not because it has no water movement, but because there is about a 2 inch layer of insulation all around the tub, below the kick panel and in the door.   </span></span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Now continue to sit there on that naughty step and look at your keyboard for other punctuation  that would be more appropriate in a civil society.  </span></span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">I do appreciate your curiosity, and interest, but consider your question answered, and answered, and answered.  I look forward to talking with you again on another subject.  Remember no more (!) allowed.  </span></span>

 

 

 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

better in terms of starting and spray

The spray on the lg's will turn on slowly, whereas everybody else, like GE, Whirlpool/Kitchenaid/Kenmore/Maytag, Frigidaire etc, will just turn on without hesitation. I don't mind the pauses of the wash action. I just don't like it when these dishwashers turn on the spray slowly. The alternate spray is just fine, but I much prefer the racks operating at the same time.

 

[washingpowder]

Well then just like you said you "prefer" it.
No one ever forced you to choose what you don't prefer.

I consider this forum a fantastic read and source of information.

Yet, just so you know, I've been *researching* modern front-load washers to find the one that suits me for over a year.

Of course I am entitled to say what *I think* is right or wrong, but every person in this world has a different personal preference - some reasons valid to other people, some not - depending on whom you speak to.

Were old dishwashers effective? Probably. But look, the moment the phosphates were eliminated from detergents, most old dishwashers failed - me being first-hand witness of sudden poor performance from a GE Potscrubber, manufactured before either of us was born (Is that old enough?).

Please, out of the kindness of your heart, stop repeating yourself over and over again.

Everyone who had more than 20 seconds of access to this website knows and gets, and understands your point.

Let's keep it moving.

Best,
washingpowder

 

[washer111]

@gelaundry4ever

A lot of dishwashers do have what you would describe as a "High Temperature" wash and rinse. 

 

European machines don't specifically have this option, rather, I believe the logic is that if you "need" a high temperature wash, then you should, (in theory) be dealing with very heavy soils, like the examples you provided. Then, there are more economical/faster options for dishes that aren't as dirty. 

 

On my DishDrawer, each cycle (with the exception of rinse & hold) have an "Eco" option, which will reduce the washing and final rinse temperature by some extent. By default, "Eco" is not selected, so all washes are operating in their "high temperature" profile. 

 

I will quote some examples from an Excel Spreadsheet in my "AutomaticWasher" folder on my computer

As you can see, it shows the Washing and Rinsing temperatures, rinsing and washing times, amounts of rinses and "Recommended Usage" (for dishwashing luddites I may encounter). The hottest wash is at 158ºF - which exceeds the NSF Sanitary Temperature requirement by a significant margin, and the plastic tub holds the temperature after the heater turns off for at least 10 minutes. 

 

*Footnote: As everyone can see, I too am guilty of getting a chair and listening to the dishwasher go through its motions. This spreadsheet is the result of many fun loads of dishes over the last 4 years

 

[washer111]

Spraying Performance of the F&P DishDrawer

This video is courtesy of member Dadoes. As you can see, the machine has a fairly strong spraying action from just 0.60 US Gallons per fill.

This is on the "Normal" cycle, so the Heavy cycles would spray more forcefully than this. 

 

I have put a camera and lights *inside* my machine and observed practically identical performance. It is worth noting that the cycle progression, temperatures and energy consumption for the US and Australian machines until after the DD60DCX6 series I have is very, very different. From the manuals I've seen for the DD60DCX7, the cycles are beginning to be "averaged" between the conservative Australian and more liberal American sequences. 

 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

lds vs. ldf series.

I could be wrong, but the ldf and the lds series both use different types of pumps, is this wrong or correct? Please confirm.

 

[twinniefan]

LG

GELaundry4ever,
What on Earth has the LG company ever done to you?, if you find their products so objectionable don't buy them, same for Samsung.
If you want to know about the inner workings of their products and the various features,why don't you ring them or email them and ask.
I will say Samsung have had a big issue here in Australia in the last few years with certain top load models catching fire/exploding and it is slowly getting worked through.
As for GE, my GE Side-By-Side fridge freezer, which incidentally cost me over $3000 Aus dollars died after only 6 years of normal use and now the LG replacement which is nearly as old and cost half as much has not missed a beat.
It is simply bad luck for me, all companies both good and average make lemons now and then.
You also mention Speed Queen, I agree they look like very good quality machines, however I will not pay such high prices, (and they cost more than $2000 Aus.)for white goods again especially after the GE fridge drama.

 

[brucelucenta]

Back in the day…many many years ago, I used to love Speed Queen and at least the solid tub GE washers. They were good machines of the day and fun to watch and use. I also loved Kelvinator washers, my personal favorite and Frigidaire washers. Those are all things of the past now. Also as I have gotten older I am more practical about things and just want something to do the best job that can be done without a lot of fuss or messing with it. As much as I loved the older appliances, my new LG made Kenmore front load washer & dryer that stack along with my LG made Kenmore dishwasher works remarkably well and does a superior job of anything I have had up to this point. The washer is huge and will hold a king size down/feather comforter that I used to take to the laundromat. The dishwasher cleans everything I put into it, other than something that is burned on excessively and requires more attention. I have had many dishwashers in the past and the only one that ever did almost as good a job is a Maytag made Jennaire one that you could load easier and would hold many odd size things in it. That one was even before the two full size spray arms under each rack. It just had a spray arm at the top and one at the bottom with a shower tower in the middle. It was a truly remarkable dishwasher. I mostly like the ease of loading and fitting odd shaped items in. But my LG made machines work really well and do a splendid job on everything I have put in them so far. Having worked on appliances for a number of years in the past, I have seen all the changes that Speed Queen and all the other appliance brands have gone through. Speed Queen machines started a downhill slide back in the early '70's and by the '80's they had a very problematic machine that had MAJOR problems and failures with the mechanism and the seals. I cannot tell you how many machines I saw with failed tub seals that ruined the bearings. When that happened, the customer usually bought another machine and vowed to NEVER buy another Speed Queen product again. I do not know about the machines they are making these days, but the mechanism looks very much like the same one that was made back then. I have seen the posts in here about people who have bought Speed Queen top loaders and they complain about the noise they make or tub indexing and such, so who knows whether they will stand up to the test of time or not? I personally would not trust them myself. So there you have it. My personal opinion, which I am entitled to and it is not out of blind ignorance, but personal experience as an owner of equipment and a repair person.