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Bock Extractors

I think the Bock extractors were a liability risk for the laundromat owner. Somehow, they were thought to be unsafe. Plus, the average coin-op user is not gonna be bothered with an extra step in the process.

Malcolm
 
John found a plumber who would put in, at great cost, a sub meter for outside use to save on the sewage charges on every gallon of water that comes through the water meter. When I was getting plants established, it was a good idea, but now, I hardly use outside water unless we have an extremely dry period. We both had one installed, but the Washington Suburban Sanitary Commission was really nasty to work with. The plumber said that the office for the permits for these sub meters was only open a few hours a week and the permits were very expensive since they knew a sub meter would cut into their exorbitant rates. It is the sewage equivalent of getting a same sex marriage license in some places in New York.

Back to the main topic: I don't see why front loading washers which used far less water than top loaders to begin with had to have water usage throttled back so severely. Westinghouse and the Philco Bendix design, later Dexter, washed large loads without using as much water as a top loader. My Mieles and the Creda wash and rinse in adequate amounts of water, but are not examples of the insanity that hit the industry with the giant drum washers that use so little water.
 
Speaking of extractors,  would it be possible for one of the home laundry mfr's to create a T/L machine  with the faster spin speed that the HE T/L 's have, set up as extractors only?  The tubs are huge, no agitator to speak of and the the lid locks. It would be much easier to install than the bock type extractors.  Think of the wear and tear it would save on the actual front load washer bearings ,   maybe the front loaders could spin just enough to stop "dripping", during the transfer to the extractors.  In a coin op setting it might even speed things along.  What is the cycle time on the coin op LG's?
 
The fly in that ointment is that if front loaders do not spin fast, more water is left in the clothes and with the small amount of water that is used for rinsing, you would not get good rinsing because you would be carrying more detergent and dirt laden water into successive water changes. Then too, people would bitch about having to carry heavy wet stuff to the extractor.
 
I do see your point Tom,  and they would no doubt complain about the extra step.  Not having a f/l machine i had no idea that they had such a high speed spin between water changes.  Thanks alr
 
Laundress

It's a hole in how-to-run-your-business.  First, 300+G washers cost 2-3x more to purchase than the 90G hardmounts, so most owners won't spring for them when they are already cash strapped going into business.  Second, by increasing extraction, you loose time (read: money) from your dryers.  Owners who do have hi-extract washers are still trying to figure out their pricing balance so as not to piss people off (charge more for washers? decrease temps in the dryers? 2 minutes/quarter? etc)... 

 

Believe me, when the Neptune first came out, I asked all manufacturers when they would come out with a commercial grade 300G washers, at which they promptly laughed.  Why would anyone want them?  You will spend all your money and no one will use them.  You won't make any money in your dryers.  No, settle for the status quo...

 

The hot thing now is 200G hardmount washers.  All manufactures have them now at a modest price point up from the 90G machines.  All the manufacturers will also tell you that when you look at the amount of water extracted over time, the jump from a 90G machine to a 200G machine is remarkable, but a 200G compared to a 300G machine is very minor.  I haven't seen nor looked for this data firsthand...  Then they will tell you that the way a typical laundromat user uses coin-op machines, 300G machines rarely get balanced and achieve full speed.
 
Both my home in Austin and my apartment in DFW charge double (but separately) for water and sewer. At the apt they assume everything coming out of the faucet goes down the drain. And except for what evaporates in winter, it does. What evaporates in summer goes down the AC drain.

At the house in Austin, they took your winter rate (no landscaping) and charged you that sewer rate in summer, taking yard watering off the sewer charge. Prior to the 80s when cities weren't desparate for revenue, nobody ever heard of a sewer charge.

I do not know 'for certain' that the same charges apply to commercial customers. Residential water rates are 'tiered', more you use, higher the cost/unit. Commercial is flat rate. Tiering does not apply to residential sewer.
 
Am Told The IRS Works The Same In Regards To Laundries

At least in that for laundromats and commercial laundries they can look at water and sewage bills to determine how much business the place does. Apparently the IRS has records of models of washing machines (or can obtain them) and thus information on how much water is used per cycle.

While one can see how laundromats may come under the gun during an audit as they are most always cash businesses (and the IRS *hates* that sort of thing,*LOL*), large commercial laundries normally work on account so records are easily traced.
 
arbilab your house in Austin

That's exactly how my city (up I-35 from Austin) calculates their sewar usage and rates.  Any lawn watering is not factored in because sewar usage is averaged over the 3 months of January, February, and either December or March.  those months I watch my water consumptio like a hawk to keep it under 2000 gallons.  The lower sewar usage also has a small impact n water consumtpion rates too.  However, any time I go over 2000 gallons consumption in a billing cycle, a $2.00 sewar fee is tacked on, which burns me to no end.  A couple of years ago when we wree under dry conditions in the winter, people were watering their yards.  (I didn't because I didn't want to get zapped for ahigh sewar fee for 12 months.  But the city decided to forgo consumption for that 3 month billing averqage priod and simply used what people had had on their record the year before.  I hope that's what's done again during this drought. 
 
That 'winter sets sewer rates' is where I got the habit of only flushing the toilet every 3rd time (long as it's only water).

Not to say EVERY city or state works that way, just that they CAN.
 
"winter set sewar rates"

I did similar--flushed every other time.  But I would also collect all the cold water that ran through the pipes into a 3+ gallon bucket everytime I took a showeer.  That collected water was also used to flush the toilet.  I ceased having to be a water miser once I got my Frigidaire front loader.  My clothes are cleaner and they last a lot longer now too!!  Living alone, I find ways to cut corners on expenses when I can.  I know you can relate to that.
 
Smart Clean

Looks a great place, will be interesting to see how its gone and how it looks a year on!!

I wonder is the dryer yours to operate as a stacked set??, can you imagine all the Cross Over with everyone picking different dryers...Lol

I think the day has come when people want / expect a premium service, fast efficient wash and max extract with quick dryers, all in surrounding that are clean and well maintained....but like Peter says, how do you make it pay!! well like anything else , you get what you pay for!!
 
Bob

Bob how much did you save by doing the recycle thing? I know municipalities are really serious with water in the west, my partner's sister had a full house after Katrina,  she insisted on coin op laundry during their stay, because of all the family bathing. I think they actually fine "water abusers" in Colorado.  Hope you are well.   Just a ballpark figure is good, you are right every dollar counts nowdays's.  arthur
 
What comes out of the washer could flush the toilet just fine. But in almost all cases it is prevented by code. So is using 'gray water' from laundry/sink/bath for landscaping.

Really, all household water besides toilet can be used twice. Doing so is almost always forbidden. They'd rather charge you double for sewage than let you actually save water.
 
Arthur I'm just guessing and extrapolating.  Eveery time I turned on the shower, that was about 2 gallons that was collected, so that would be about 60 gallons a month alone.  Add on to that factor each flush is about 4 gallons.  And not always flushing.  I'd say that it probably saved me between 200 and 300 gallons a month.  I remember there were a couple of times over the yeaers that I got my winterr monthly usage down to about 1300 or 1400 gallons.  That 200 to 300 gallon savings translated to between 2 and 3 loads in the Lady Shredmore I could run with the 'savings" and not be penalized.  There would be a month (out of those 3) where I'd end up using over 2000 gallons and so I would have to restrict my usage for the other two months so that the average ended up being 2000 or less over the 3 months.  There was one time I actually took 3 or 4 loads of towels to the laundromat to wash instead of doing them at home, because with the 2nd rinse alays used on towels, each load used 120 or so gallons.  So those 3 or 4 loads would have cnsumed 360 to 480 gallons, which in the wscheme of 2000 gallons maximum, was quite a bit.  And now with the drought as bad as it is here, I"m very aware of how much water I use that's not involved in watering the yard, which is mainly to keep moisture round my foundation more than anything--which has still probably ended up being cracked and will cost a fortune (which I don't have) to repair if I ever wanted to sell my house. 
 
Something that has not been mentioned about this high style place is that the folding tables don't have raised edges to prevent clothes from falling onto the floor. With their small size, that would be doubly important.
 
What's the street at LG Laundromat

Hello. I'm deaf. What's the street at LG Laundromat in Manhattan?

Peter (kenmorepeter01) ;-)
 
Hi Peter,

It is along Amsterdam Avenue near 140th Street. City College is across the street.

Let me know if you want to meet there.

I don't know sign-language, but if you can lip-read, perhaps we can have lunch in the city and make a day of it? Write me off-line! Then I have an excuse to look at the pricing for PeterH.

Thanks!

P.S. Let's invite Launderess and get a few pics of her for the site. (DUCKS AND RUNS). LOL
 
We get one bill here for Water & Sewer, both administered by the same city agency.

In as much as the charges are separately stated for both, water and sewer, I would be reluctant to call it a double-billing.

Theoretically the water used by outdoor spigot(s) should not technically be charged-for in sewer charges.

But like everything else in life, the cost to provide the service plus a markup to repay/reward investors (if private enterprise) divided by the number of users is what the charges are based upon.

Stated another way, the fixed overhead costs (don't vary by water / sewer quantity usage) and the variable costs (those that do vary by water/sewer quantity usage have to be considered.

How does the saying go? Water, like religion/spirituality is free. It's the piping (church/temple) you pay for.
 
Our water / sewer is billed 1,000 gallons water in / 1,000 gallons sewage out.  Except during high usage months when outdoor watering is done, they will take an average of Nov, Dec, Jan and only increase sewage out incrementally instead of across the board.

 

So your bill when water usage goes to the next tier will be something like 6,000 gallons water in / 2,500 gallons sewage out.  They do, however, charge double for sewage.  Water is $1.15 per 1,000 gallons. sewage is $2.78 per 1,000 gallons.

 
 
Direction from Subway

Hello, how are you doing?

From GW Bridge Bus Station to Subway: "A" from 175th to 145th--> tranfer "C"--> 135th

OR

From Penn Station (from NJ Transit) to Subway to 125th tranfer "C"--> to 135th

Is that right?

Peter (kenmorepeter01) ;-)
 
Thanks Bob i wondered about how they were handling the drought situation, You were very clever to take action to reduce your bill. arthur
 

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