Mark, I am like you, I like to keep up with what's out there. My Duet was the first the first direct drive Duet and was also the first ones to be produced in Ohio at their laundry facility. I hope I get another 5 years from it too.
LG Front Load Washer
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I wish my Kenmore had a towels cycle. That is one disadvantage of the Kenmores over the LGs. No cycle on my machine reaches the full spin speed on interim spin. However, the Sanitize cycle actually uses higher rinse levels in comparison to the Normal cycle and defaults to 3 rinses with TurboWash off. That has been my to-go-to for towels. So far it has been excellent. First interim spin is slower than the others. Perhaps to prevent either wrinkles or sudslock.
I wish my Kenmore had a towels cycle. That is one disadvantage of the Kenmores over the LGs. No cycle on my machine reaches the full spin speed on interim spin. However, the Sanitize cycle actually uses higher rinse levels in comparison to the Normal cycle and defaults to 3 rinses with TurboWash off. That has been my to-go-to for towels. So far it has been excellent. First interim spin is slower than the others. Perhaps to prevent either wrinkles or sudslock.
Does the Steam option engage the heater during the actual wash, or just the steam phase? Older posts on Houzz indicated that, once the initial steam phase was over, the machine would fill for a cool-down and then continue washing. It was not mentioned, if the water was reheated thereafter.
Also: how long does it take for a larger load to be saturated with steam on? I've seen a video on YouTube where it took quite a while for the clothes to be saturated with water/detergent, while the machine was boiling the enzymes underneath the drum.
Also: how long does it take for a larger load to be saturated with steam on? I've seen a video on YouTube where it took quite a while for the clothes to be saturated with water/detergent, while the machine was boiling the enzymes underneath the drum.
Alex, I've always wondered what LG's approach was to accomplishing this function. On my Duet is the following sequence: Selecting steam option has the cycle fill with warm warm water. Then the wash load gradually heats the water to hot--this can be up to 50 minutes depending upon soil level. Then the wash water is drained and load receives a distribution speed spin. Then the steam generator is engaged and the load is steamed for up to 20 minutes then does the cool down. When Sanitize wash temperature is selected outright, the machine fills with hot water and the heater is engaged to boost the water temperature for 50 or so minutes. Then the wash water is drained and goes through the above mentioned sequence. It's my understanding that both LG and Whirlpool used a steam generator to accomplish all this back when this feature was first on the market. And that both brands discontinued the steam generator. But never clear as to how the tsk was executed now.
LGs aim on the Steam cycles is to get the benefit of a hot wash hygienicly, not the cleaning performance.
They say otherwise, but they don't actually want to saturate the load before steaming.
At least over here.
Never thought LGs approach to steaming was much use.
When they still used a separate steam generator, it was activated only during cold wash stages in the EU.
Even if it wasn't in the US, heating that way wouldn't get you very far I'd say.
The separate generator was only 1000W or so, that limits its use for heating.
Now steaming dry clothing seems just useless.
Steaming after a wash cycle before rinsing (either before or after interim spin) might seem more useful as it might boost already hot laundry higher and extend temp hold without much power usage.
But in general never saw much use in the steam thing for wash treatment.
For anti crease it is awesome, though!
They say otherwise, but they don't actually want to saturate the load before steaming.
At least over here.
Never thought LGs approach to steaming was much use.
When they still used a separate steam generator, it was activated only during cold wash stages in the EU.
Even if it wasn't in the US, heating that way wouldn't get you very far I'd say.
The separate generator was only 1000W or so, that limits its use for heating.
Now steaming dry clothing seems just useless.
Steaming after a wash cycle before rinsing (either before or after interim spin) might seem more useful as it might boost already hot laundry higher and extend temp hold without much power usage.
But in general never saw much use in the steam thing for wash treatment.
For anti crease it is awesome, though!
I've made the following comment before either here or Gardenweb laundry forums. It's my opinion "steam" is/was used as a relatively low-energy, inexpensive way to raise the temperature in front loaders. If I remember correctly, when Whirlpool released their front loaders to the American market back in 2001 Sears was the first to offer the onboard heater and Whirlpool followed shortly thereafter in order to give Sears the marketing advantage of onboard heater. (Remember those of us at the August 2001 Wash-In going to a couple of Sears in Minneapolis to see in person their new front loaders and some of us "arming the Hettie" (giving a hello wave to ChestermikeUK) Sears version were named He and the HeT -- the T indicating onboard heater. Sears also offered the exclusive feature of stain treat button--which engaged the heater to gradually heat wash water from warm to Hot or Sanitize. Both Whirlpool and Sears models with the heater mentioned in the user manual that the Heavy Duty cycle provided stepped heating to allow the treatment of various types of stains as water was gradually heated. With Sears offering the stain treat button, that forced the gradual heating on other cycles rather than simply the single Heavy Duty cycle.
if either the extra hot or steam options are selected the water heater turns on. I know that for a fact, though i am not sure how hot it actually gets in practice. the water heater is effective though, i'll give it that. when a steam cycle finishes the drum is often still pretty hot and lets out a nice fresh burst of air. the drum door also fogs up significantly and the door will not unlock until the washer has determined it has cooled to a safe temperature to open.
As for Whirlpool's approach after removing the steam generator, I may be imagining this, but I seem to vaguely recall asking someone how the washer steams different than mine, I htink I understood that there is a small amount of water put in the outer tub near the heater and that pool of water is heated to such that it reaches a steaming point and the steam raises up through the load. Unfortunately, no one with newer Whirlpool versions has videoed and put on YouTube their washer doing a steam cycle. I'd like to believe (hope) their approach is different than LG and is similar to the sequence of my current Duet.
mark_wpduet
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Honestly, I think I could live without steam......as long as I have a heater, it sort of creates steam anyway....especially in sanitary...
The reason I'm no longer looking at Whirlpool is the door being plastic and them taking away the glass. That move just screams (let's cut corners throughout the machine to meet the best bottom line)...Now, I know LG is no Miele, but it doesn't feel nearly as cheap and according to Youtube, they are incredibly easy to take apart and service.
The reason I'm no longer looking at Whirlpool is the door being plastic and them taking away the glass. That move just screams (let's cut corners throughout the machine to meet the best bottom line)...Now, I know LG is no Miele, but it doesn't feel nearly as cheap and according to Youtube, they are incredibly easy to take apart and service.
vacerator
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Many of the lower end
machines have steam, but it uses the heater to safely remove stains. They don't actually inject steam.
machines have steam, but it uses the heater to safely remove stains. They don't actually inject steam.
I have seen
the lg turbowash360 videos. I did notice the cold fill goes through the spray rinse nozzle.
the lg turbowash360 videos. I did notice the cold fill goes through the spray rinse nozzle.
yes, the spray rinse nozzle and i believe all of the detergent/bleach/softener dispenser shower nozzles are cold as well.
As for the ease of disassembly, ours seems quite easy. few screws on the front and the door gasket needs to be unhooked, and then i believe the front just can be pulled off.
As for the ease of disassembly, ours seems quite easy. few screws on the front and the door gasket needs to be unhooked, and then i believe the front just can be pulled off.
LG machines are quite serviceable and parts are usually OK-ish price wise.
Especially the typical parts (hall sensor, pumps, PCBs) are quite easy to get to.
They have splittable tubs and even often have drum spiders available as a separate part.
So basically everything can be done at a reasonable cost if you do it yourself.
Especially the typical parts (hall sensor, pumps, PCBs) are quite easy to get to.
They have splittable tubs and even often have drum spiders available as a separate part.
So basically everything can be done at a reasonable cost if you do it yourself.
You are correct
The WM3900 appears to have a sealed tub unit since they no longer offer separate parts for that, same for the WM4200.
Would be a shame!
Lorainfurniture on YT has a video of the WM3500 where he takes it apart, and you can see a bolted together tub.
The WM3900 should use the same tub unit, though not sure if the WM4xxx series does so aswell.
So splitting it should still be possible for a bearing exchange
The WM3900 appears to have a sealed tub unit since they no longer offer separate parts for that, same for the WM4200.
Would be a shame!
Lorainfurniture on YT has a video of the WM3500 where he takes it apart, and you can see a bolted together tub.
The WM3900 should use the same tub unit, though not sure if the WM4xxx series does so aswell.
So splitting it should still be possible for a bearing exchange
Today's The Day........
Home Depot's holiday price for the 4200 is $848. Matching gas dryer, $948. That's $50 less than Best Buy & Lowe's. We're going to jump on it.
Only thing we're on the fence about is the extended warranty.
Home Depot's holiday price for the 4200 is $848. Matching gas dryer, $948. That's $50 less than Best Buy & Lowe's. We're going to jump on it.
Only thing we're on the fence about is the extended warranty.
steam
In our Kenmore it fills with 40C water and heats up to 65C. It will then add water to appropriate water level of the cycle, and continue heating and washing for a certain amount of time. No 'steam' phase like in the Duets where a small amount of water is super heated. I never understood that.
In our Kenmore it fills with 40C water and heats up to 65C. It will then add water to appropriate water level of the cycle, and continue heating and washing for a certain amount of time. No 'steam' phase like in the Duets where a small amount of water is super heated. I never understood that.
I'm Glad I Called.......
We originally tried to order the WM4200 set in the local Homer Depot store, but they wouldn't allow us to use PayPal at checkout.
Then, I tried ordering from HD on line, but noticed the installation kits I chose weren't appearing in the cart.
Called, today, to ask whether I could pay for the kits + dryer installation separately. They agreed, but insisted I purchase a dryer power cord since it must be hardwired.
After performing the math, concluded neither the store nor the on-line order calls for a separate power cord to be purchased. Makes us wonder how any of these dryers ever got installed by Home Depot's agents?
We originally tried to order the WM4200 set in the local Homer Depot store, but they wouldn't allow us to use PayPal at checkout.
Then, I tried ordering from HD on line, but noticed the installation kits I chose weren't appearing in the cart.
Called, today, to ask whether I could pay for the kits + dryer installation separately. They agreed, but insisted I purchase a dryer power cord since it must be hardwired.
After performing the math, concluded neither the store nor the on-line order calls for a separate power cord to be purchased. Makes us wonder how any of these dryers ever got installed by Home Depot's agents?
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