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My parents just got an entry level LG with 6-motion. It's pretty neat to watch.

I pondered long and hard about an LG vs. Miele. I think LG has some neat technology but I don't know how good it really is.

What do you think of this 6 motion technology?
 
Wanna wear out your clothes fast?

Appnut

 

I agree.  The vid  I saw showed one or two items(hard to tell since everything was mostly RED or PINK) flopping around but could hardly be considered a medium or full load. Perhaps the movement increases with a full load, but if not, what does this flopping with little water accomplish except wearing out clothes faster?  Don't get it -  yet.  Is this better than  a regular tumble?   Does this make good press?  Hmm.
 
<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: large;">I think it is very impressive for the wash load they have in the washer.  I can see it being very effective.  </span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: large;">I think about the way I wash and what I wash.  I can think of three loads that would do well with this.  </span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: large;">1. Hand Towels.  I wash about 70 hand towels a week on Sanitary.</span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: large;">2. Socks and underwear.</span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: large;">3. Sheets and pillowcases.</span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: large;">Anyone out there know if there are normal cycles on this machine?  Thinking about normal tumble and such....
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<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: large;">Very interesting videos just the same.</span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: large;">Thanks for the links.</span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: large;">Brent  </span>
 
Nice technology but only of limited usability. Guess it won't do much for full loads. Also, many cycles only use the tumbling motion. Kenmore.com has a motion chart. I think it's beneficial for small, heavily soiled loads. I read somewhere that some motions are used at certain points in the cycle: filtration + spray to saturate the load, stepping to loosen items after the spin. But haven't seen any reference on Kenmore.com.

I doubt all this rocking will do any good with regards to the bearings etc.
 
FWIW - I read this statement from LG re: 6 motion technology and gentleness.

“With the groundbreaking 6 Motion enabled by our next generation Inverter Direct Drive Motor, LG washers provide a world-class washing performance, with a clean so delicate yet thorough you’d swear it had been done by hand."

I saw something once that showed when the LG used different motions. I can’t find it now but I’ll keep looking.
 
Marketing and more Marketing

Just manufacturers trying to fool the public that their mediocre peice of sh**e is better than the next ..............yawn

I look forward to the next series which will probably have at least 8 motion washes and of course quartz lock speed control with a digital read out so you know exactly what speed your machine is spinning at...........which of course is soooooooo important like all the other useless features........................yawn

Wake me up when a manufacturer produces a sensible well built no nonsense machine like the ones we used to have
 
Another marketing gimmick. The clothes with this kind of action will get equally clean, provided that the load is as small as that showned in their pretentious propaganda campaigns! It doesn't mean of course that all you favourite programmes are going to be delivered in this way by these high tech machines... only some of them for very specific purposes... but I still fail to see any solid advantage compared to a multiple speed tumble action.

Just my views anyway... though I think that generally the latest LG appliances look quite charming.
 
Just manufacturers trying to fool the public that their mediocre peice of sh**e is better than the next ..............yawn

X2
 
Not sure what the point of "Filtration" is about? You'd think that will push the dirt/suds into the clothes again?
 
It does the normal tumbles but every so often does 'filtration' aka distribution. On the delicate cycle it does swings and followed by rotations so clothes are well washed. At the water supply stage it does one of the motions to help dissolve detergent, my aunt has the F1479FDS6 (Black 9KG model with steam) and I was amazed at how well it did with a jam packed load.

Btw- got pics in another thread

take care
 
advantages over regular washing motion

I was ready to buy their 10kg 24" flagship 6motion washer two years ago. Sadly it still has not made it over to Canada. Supposedly this summer but I'm not holding my breath.

Having seen 6motion in action with a few different loads at a home show compared to previous LG models I observed...
- Better hand wash/delicate cycle (small load heavy soil)
- Better initial detergent spread (probably more important to EU folks using liquid from an in drum doser)
- Better rinse (clothes spread out better prior to rinse)
- As dyson2drums indicated it can potentially clean better even in very crowded drum conditions where other machines don't fair as well. Of course clothes still need to be able to move but it shook clothes that would be bunched in other machines.

I don't know how badly this would impact on the bearings but it also could help reduce wear because the machine might spend less time with unbalanced loads. On the other hand many of the 6motion machines have a lower kg rating than the non 6motion counterparts.

If appliance makers (who are always chasing energy subsidies and energy star labeling) won't increase water or energy usage, mechanical motion is one of the few things left to improve washing performance. Plus if you are using a direct drive motor you already have the ability just need the programming.[this post was last edited: 2/13/2011-07:01]
 
Add me to the group that smells a gimmick, here.  I suppose it's possible that a couple of the special motions (like the 'swing' for delicates) are beneficial, but I'll be surprised if we see copycats from other manufacturers.

 

Having said that, just think of the joy future collectors will get from finding one of these.  I can imagine a lot of people rolled their eyes at the Apex bouncing basket back in the 1950's, too, and relatively few were sold; but finding one and having such a unique machine in your collection would be fun, even if it wasn't the best idea in laundry engineering.  Ditto the indexing wash tub.
 
From Kenmore.com - their front loaders only seem to have five motions. Fast-forward the attached video to 4:50 - it has explanation for the "moves".



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I had a terrible time deciding what's better ... durable built Miele or technology driven LG. While you may not get as long from an LG, the thechnology (if it works) seems very cool.

What are your thoughts? I just purchased a Miele set but it's not delivered yet. Still time to change my mind :)
 
Luv2wash

Stick with the Miele set......I've had my Miele washer for over two years and have never tired of it, every wash is slightly differant and it's like having a new machine everyday!
 
Wash Profiles

Will be interesting to see how it performs with a full load in their 11kg capacity machines, I wonder if it would help distribution by randomly breaking up the position of said clothing!!!

Many of the high end machines of multi stages drum rythmns now, even the Fagor model I`m testing has a profile wash (which very much surprised me!!) slow / fast tumble, slow distribution, fast distribution and a 600rpm spin within the wash cycle!!!

BUT whatever machine you use (and get to know how it works) they are capable of giving perfectly cleans results, as long as the operator can compensate by calculating the variables!!!

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I have an older (think year 2000) Miele.  There is no mention of different  rhythms while  tumbling but my observation is that it is not always using the same type of tumble in the same phase of the cycle.  Of course there is no rocking back and forth, swinging, or rolling that I see but every load comes out clean and well rinsed.  It  works well without the various movements...so I can't see why I would need this.. Yeah it sounds cool, it looks cool...but I guess I don't need it because I am getting completely clean rinsed clothes without it.   I don't think I would go for this coolness over my Miele washer.  One thing...If you purchased the larger 48XX I have seen the tumble on this in videos  and parts of it can be described as rolling.  It is a tumble that starts slow, increases in speed to almost a  very low spin, then a slow down to stop.

 

I wonder if this rocking cleans better than the old style Duet?
 
Another Movement

We need these new movements to makeup for washing in cold water.  When you lower one variable, you must raise another to achieve the end result.  Eventually, the paddles in the tub will be spring loaded.  When they reach the top of the drum, they will swing down and pound the load into the puddle of ice water.

 

LOL

 

Malcolm
 
My take after watching my LG WM2501HVA's random odd motions and rotations is that are to allow the paltry spray/drip of the wash water to each every part of the items. This is more important when the "add water buttone" is not pushed in, since the spin basket is often below the water level. This pleases the government, the washer maker thus gets a tax break/kickback.

The two 1950's reasons of using a FL gets degraded, one has all these gyrations which wear clothes, one has a longer wash cycle.

In the future washers will be made so they work only if crammed full, the wash cycle will be an entire night. 24" frame and 27" frame machines will be outlawed and crushed with a cash for clunkers kickback. 30" frame machines will be only available and thus many folks will only wash once a few weeks.
 
You would have to own a lot of clothes to only wash once in every few weeks. I have kids and need to do at least 2 loads a week of their things just to keep them dressed.
 
Jab at the full washer preaching dogma

RE" You would have to own a lot of clothes to only wash once in every few weeks."

I did this when I lived in California and had a coin laundromat I used where it was a big event to travel there. It was easier to just wash less often and own more clothes. I also traveled on a moments notice, ie I had a weeks + worth of items already packed to be sent overseas at a moments notice to firefight an overseas production issue.

Today with a home washer again, some non USA folks on the other threads go crazy with comments of us usa folks just using a washer as a tool like the way we want to; ie ONLY 1/4 or 1/2 full.

Thus here TODAY if I only washed white dress shirts at once, I would have to own 1 or 2 months worth of white shirts for the machine to be full. Maybe in Europe clothes are free and washers are smaller? :)

Anyway the comment was a jest at others who are into preaching a washing machine has to be full to be thrifty. Here I lost most of my clothes in Katrina, and am still in rebuild low bucks mode. There basically is no way in heck am I going to wash dress white shirts with super dirty tar grubby work clothes that I have due to working on a roof this entire weekend. I was not raised to ruin clothes by mixing a jumble to fill up a machine to be full.

Thus there is the balance of waste:

(1) Does one wash like items when one just is about to run out and thus the washer is still not crammed full?

(2)Or does one max out the credit cards and buy gobs of clothes so the washer is always full?

With work clothes for construction, I can buy pants at the thrift store for 1 to 2 bucks and thus have many dozens of pairs for nil cost. Thus it is easier to fill the washer with dirty work stuff than clean dress white shirts here
 
"some non USA folks on the other threads go crazy with comments of us usa folks just using a washer as a tool like the way we want to; ie ONLY 1/4 or 1/2 full"

 

It seems that you're the only one taking it to this extent...


 

Nobody is preaching anything, just pointing out mere fact.  In fact, almost every owners manual here will tell you that the most water, energy and time efficient way to do laundry is to wash full loads.  Therefore, if you yourself and a lot of other users of the high capacity US machines are only half filling the machine as you have often pointed out, then is there any point in high capacity machines when they are only going to be used at half capacity for the majority of the time?  Everybody sorts their clothes out here too... but the buying market here aren't in the mentality (somewhat) that bigger is always better.


 

BTW, I don't think I have any clothes back from 2005, so the argument about Katrina seems to baffle me, surely 6 years is enough time in which to stock up a wardrobe again?  God knows, my wardrobe is full to the brim and I don't have anything more than 3 years old or so.


 

It seems to answer your last question, the "wasteful" thing is buying machines with capacity which far exceed the needs.  By all means, the high capacity machines are great if you are actually going to utilise them, but it seems that the US washer market is dictating that people need a bigger capacity than is actually suitable.


 

To end on your last point, when I buy clothes, like most others I'm sure I buy them because I actually like them, not because I have a need to fill the washer LOL.

 

Jon
 
RE

"Therefore, if you yourself and a lot of other users of the high capacity US machines are only half filling the machine as you have often pointed out, then is there any point in high capacity machines when they are only going to be used at half capacity for the majority of the time? Everybody sorts their clothes out here too... but the buying market here aren't in the mentality (somewhat) that bigger is always better."

Answer, A 27" frame high capacity machine is what is sold here in the USA. A 24" frame is a freak, no local stores carry them in stock or to look at, no local service man has every seen one or worked on on before. There is already enough uncertaincy with a 27" machine; why mail order a freak oddball 24" machine that adds more risk and buys one nothing?

Folks in the usa do NOT want a whussy small washer, they do not want a pickup truck that also cannot carry a 4x8 ft piece of plywood either. They do not want some wastefull freak small washer that is the only one around for 200 miles; that a service man has never seen before. Europe is free to fill its landfills with oddball consumer items that nobody will work on. Here the freak oddball items tend to have a fewer repair parts and thus are often thrown away.

RE "BTW, I don't think I have any clothes back from 2005, so the argument about Katrina seems to baffle me, surely 6 years is enough time in which to stock up a wardrobe again? God knows, my wardrobe is full to the brim and I don't have anything more than 3 years old or so."

Here I have clothes doing back to the 1940's in woolens stuff. Due to Katrina, many of us really got really nothing in insurance claims or government assistance, thus the rebuild of our homes and belongings is all out of our own pockets. With pre Katrina yearly insurance premiums of about 2k per year, I got 3400 bucks total with about 100K in damages. I paid over 12k in a decade in premiums and got just 3400 bucks in the largest national disaster. I would have been better off placing the 12K in a Mason Jar in cash with zero interest. Thus the 97K shortfall is out of my own pocket and raw labor. To get that 3400 bucks took 18 months of farting around with so much jackassery that it was really only about 1/2 that if one considers the time wasted in fighting the sobs. Tensions were so high after Katrina that the insurance companies hired ex Chicago police as rental cops. One had to go through metal detectors to talk to a claims chap. After one month of calls they would loose all ones paperwork. Or the paperwork they sent you would be lost in the mail. We did not even have non letters sent to ones houses until 6 months after Katrina, thus letters would be stuck in magazines and received 1/2 to 1 year later.

In a way; unless you have been through it yourself you will never understand. It is sort of like telling somebody who has been through war it was childs play. There are folks still living in tents and makeshift shacks way out in the country river areas. If you candy coat and assume everybody got giant insurance claim payouts I agree that you would be baffled. Many of us are still living in shells of homes and still rebuilding due to lack of funds and we cannot clone ourselves. Basically locally here it is a double dip recession. Unemployment offically is about 9 to 10 percent but is really more like 25 percent. Nobody has any money.
 
Europe is free to fill its landfills with oddball consumer i

Do you honestly think our appliances are less reliable than yours? If you do, you are completely mistaken. Besides, when an appliance is scrapped here, it is recycled, not dumped in a landfill, we care far too much about our environment to do that anymore.

I guess if Americans don't want a "wussy small" washer, they must want washers bigger than they will ever need, hence the issue I take with the attitude which seems far more prevelant in the U.S. of "bigger is better and I'll waste as much energy as I want just because I can"

I understand that in your position, it would not have been feasable due to cost and avalaiblity to buy a smaller machine, and of course it would be silly to buy more clothes purely to fill the washer. I know that means you're loads are often not going to be full, I guess it's just a case of filling it as much as you can.

This however, does not mean it is 'good' to wash loads which aren't full. It is always going to be more economical to wash properly full loads, this also does not compromise on performance, something you seem to keep saying.

If I were in your position I would be waiting as long as possible to do a wash, but I wouldn't buy extra clothes or go without clothes I need just to be economical. It's all about being as economical as is reasonably possible.

It is not you personally washing underloaded which anyone takes issue with, it's the fact the American market and (often) American attitudes leave people with no choice but to buy machines far bigger than their needs which I take issue with. Something which results in wasted water, energy and detergent.

You also have to remember we live in a society where it is very much looked down upon if you do not recycle your waste. Where driving around in a massive car is seen as pretencious and unecessary, and where conserving resources is very much respected. I am very grateful to live in such a society, it certainly wasn't like this even 10 years ago though. I hope we can move towards and even less wasteful society in the future.

Matt
 
Tumbling -- very good lift and drop

Swinging -- useless waste of time and energy

Stepping -- one step down from tumbling, but why stress the motor and suspension like that?

Scrubbing --  more stressful that stepping, and note how some things aren't lifted at all

Rolling -- for when you don't have enough pilling or you need more lint in your dryer lint screen and need more

Filtration -- Just because you want to whip the water and detergent in there to more suds
 

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