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I think you'll get a charge out of this! (no pun intended)
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See what living in Phoenix has done to this man

I had to subscribe to his channel! He's the absolute most!! Thanks for the other links!

On the way home from the Fort Pierce Goodwill today, I saw a Frigidaire Turquoise 1958 Chevrolet Bel Air four door sedan, with '58 Impala flipper wheelcovers!

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I remember the original ads for all-electric Medallion homes

Builders were encouraged (paid off?) by electric utilities to put in all electric homes, with no gas lines. My parents live in one such home built 1972. Homes that participated in the "medallion" program had a "better living through electricity" medallion affixed to the home near the front door, and many utilities extended a 10-15% discount on the monthly electric bill to all-electric homes. I remember my parents saying that the 10% discount ended shortly before they purchased their current home, so they never reaped the benefits. But those who bought in the 1960s did.

I should add that electric bills used to be rather low, what people worried about was the PHONE bill, due to high long distance and "local long distance" charges. Until the 1973 energy crisis, I never heard anyone talk about turning out the lights when you weren't using a room, etc.
 
112561,

Yeah, great videos, didn't know of them before so am glad you posted this!

​FYI, those dual lens turn signal pods on the grille of the '58 Chevy were inspired by the twin engine nacelles on the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress. The B-52 first flew in '52, but went into service with the USAF in '55 around when the '58 Chevy was being designed, and all those designers just loved anything to do with jet aircraft. It's mind blowing to think that while the '58 Chevy is now a rare collectible the B-52 is still a prime component of the USAF arsenal, not because there aren't newer bombers in the fleet, but because there is still not a better aircraft for many missions. The last B-52 was built in '62, but the remaining operable planes have been updated and improved through the years with better electronics and such, one might view them as the flying equivalent of Robert's Super Unimatic in that some superior old-tech is combined with the latest in computer control!

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58 Chevy

If I'm not mistaken, the 58 Chevys were the ones which gained the reputation of having the horrible planned built-inobsolescence accusation. I think the economy was in a downturn and coupled with the reliability reputation, I think that's why there are so few of them now. I don't remember seeing all that many of them when I was little. I remember seeing far more 57, 59, and 60 models.
 
The house across the street was a Reddy-Killo-Watt Gold Medallion home, also in the parade of homes for Houston that spring, as was ours, before we moved in. I did have a gas line for the dryer (her 57 Frog-Eyed Kenmo dryer) as well as the fireplace had a gas line to start the wood burning. I think the house included an electric water heater. There was also a heatpump for the climate control of the house. The kitchen had sea-foam green Westinghouse appliances and NuTon vent. The cooktop & vent are still in use today and I know the Westy garbage disposal lasted for decades. The rollout dishwasher had the heat-boost switch on the front panel.
 
PasastDoc,

I remember all the publicity surrounding the Medallion programs, and then how having an all-electric home became a real disadvantage during the mid-'70s energy crises. Most that I know of have been piped for gas and now have the usual gas rangetop, water heater, and furnace.

​I have a buddy who's a general contractor and lives in a nice condo complex in Brentwood. One day we were walking around the complex and I spied the Medallion logo imprinted into a concrete walkway near his unit. My friend grew up in Ireland so had never heard of Medallion all-electric homes, and had wondered for years what that little stamp was!
 
Chevrolet design

That's a fascinating bit of information on the 1958 line. It wouldn't surprise me for a minute if they really did plan more obsolescence in that model. That, with many historians and people of the time that thought '58 General Motors cars were grotesque, a belief I don't share. Chrysler Corporation, at least in 1957 and '58 had an across the board rust, fit and finish problem.

Texas seemed to produce thousands of beautiful homes in their communities in the 1950s, and before, after. From attractive ranch styles to drop dead gorgeous Mid Century Modern one offs.
 
Obsolete?

It's my understanding that in 1958 GM officially introduced the "planned obsolescence" policy across the board. Such a shame! Especially considering that was also the corporation's 50th year.

Re: Being an Air Force kid, IMHO, the B-52 remains to this day the most-awesome aircraft AND the most-beautiful aircraft to every fly. There was a SAC component at Seymour Johnson AFB when we lived there and so the B-52's flew in and out all the time. Absolutely breath-taking machines.

Lawrence

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Actually Appnut, the 1958's were just supposed to be fre

when a GM designer got a look at the new for 1957 Chryhsler products sitting in the Chrysler plants holding yard in Hammtramck Michigan in late 1956 he rushed back to GM and told the styling department what he had seen. The next day a bunch of the other designers went out to Hammtramck and stood staring through the fence at the new 1957 Chrysler Corp cars. They then rushed to redesign the 1959's to look the way we know them to look. That is why cars like the 1959 Impala Sport Coupe have thin roof lines akin to what Plymouth had in 1957. Of course this was all done when Harley Earl was in Europe and without his knowledge. When Earl got back and saw the dramatic redesign that had gone on in his absence, he knew the hand writing was on the wall and that his time had come and gone so he decided to retire. The 1958 GM designs were not supposed to be a one shot but for the above reason they became so. Appnut you also speak of reliability problems with the 1958 Chevy. What reliability problems did the 1958 Chevy have? I have known people that have had them and they are quite reliable....they also have better rust protection then any 1958 Chrysler products which are just as hard if not harder to come by these days. Of course you are going to see less 1958 Chevys than 57's, 59's, or 60's but that is more to do with the Eisenhower recession than reliability. With the exception of the new 348 CID V8 and the three speed Turboglide Automatic all the driveline mechanicals were held over from 57 if I am not mistaken....PAT COFFEY
 
Feast your eyes...........

My favorite '50s Oldsmobile! I had a Dynamic 88 briefly, that was fun.
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Forward Look '59

From Chrysler Corporation!! If the uncut DVD of this whole program exists, like the original 1958 color videotape still does, I've got to get it!
(rerun from other threads, for those who haven't seen it)
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I can't think of anything that would have made the '58 GM's "more obsolete" or mechanically inferior to anything else on the road at the time. They were panned for poor brakes and to some eyes, the styling too baroque, but that's about it. Don't forget the Eisenhower recession was also in full swing.
 
What I liked about the '58 Chevy can be described in one word...BIG!

What I didn't like about the '55-'57 Chevy's (AKA THE HOT ONES)...the '56 didn't seem to grasp the attention like the '55 and '57 did. But to me, I thought it was a much better looking car.

Here's a link to one of the most famous and favorite '58 Chevy's in all of movie land. Steve Bolander's from "American Graffiti".

http://www.xframechevy.com/chevrolet372.htm
 
 From what I remember, everyone loved the 57' Chevy, it was considered a very good year.
 I don't think the public was enarmoured with the styling of the 58' Chevy. It was too radical a departure from the 57's for most peoples taste. It was also lowered more than the 57's were. Usually car styling was a mild evolution from year to year, but the 58' was like a major redesign. I didn't think anything of it until I saw an Impala Sports Convertible down the street with the three tone interior. Now THAT was something to behold. My dad had a 58' Chevy Del Rey for about a year. He never did like it for some reason.

Now when the 59's came out, I remember people laughing at it. It looked like some kind of martian vehicle. A lot of people thought it was just strange. But when they toned the styling down for the 1960 model, it sold better.

Ah, the cars of the "Atomic Age".
 
In June of 1962 Daddy traded our black '51 Mercury club coupe for a mint green '57 Chevy 210, with absolutely nothing on it, strictly three on the tree and six cylinder. Mom cried her eyes out over the Mercury, they had it in Japan and Okinawa, where it took me to my first home after I was born. A few months later after the Chevy purchase, Daddy was at a gas station where the attendant identified it as his old car, and that apparently the mileage had been turned back at Merkle Motors, the Mercury dealer where it ended up.
 
1968 new subdivision

In a subdivison I use to live in that was built in 1968, there was a WAR between the Gas and Electric company.

The Electric Co had its claims that electric heat is 100 percent efficient. If one got an all electric house one got a "fee" house power box and inside breaker box too. One got discounts/kickbacks on an electric water heater, electric stove, and electric heater.

If one got GAS one got a "free" gas stove plus front post gas lamp; sometimes a discount on a gas water heater and furnace too. At that time folks got natural gas powered AC units that uses Ammonia/brine and was heated by a gas flame. The "all gas" houses ran these front porch or front sidewalk 2 mantle gas lamps 24/7. When the 1973/74 and 1979 energy crisis hit many folks stopped burning these lamps.

The Reddy-Killo-Watt Gold Medallion home and all gas home adverts were strong in that era. The gas and electric CO were I lived sold the bulk of new water heaters and had a giant showroom. The gas company sold AC central air units by Arkla Servel.

In the link below folks claim how costly these old gas units are to run. In the current house I live in, a Arkla Servel gas AC unit was installed in 1971 and ran to 1992 with little issues. The actual gas bills were not that high either. I look back at my moms records and see where some in August back them were 80 bucks back in 1991 for the natural gas bill. I often wonder if it is just repairing older units is not known anymore. This was a bigger unit of 4 or 5 tons cooling. I remember telling an old boss back in 1988 in California that this Gulf Coast house had a gas absorption AC unit and he told me they were *terrible* with a low EER/SEER.

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=110945
 
Paul and Lee Harvey Buy a New Car

Mini movie about a day in the life of Paul and his signifigant other, Lee Harvey.
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New 1961 subdivision

The home we moved into September 1961 was built winter of 1961. The entire street was in the Parade of Homes in Houston thatyear. There was a mixture of Gold medallion Electric homes and homes with mainly gas. Ours was gas. With the water-cooled a/c tower out back, gas furnace, gas cooking (O&M--oven had rotiss and adjustable-height broiler and meat mi9nder thermoeter in the oven) as well as a 42" O&M range with griddle in the middle. There was even a Norge gas fridge in the kitchen during the showcase and Maytag laundry pair (I remember the Maytags were still in the laundry room when we looked at the house, but the fridge was long gone). Aspart of the deed restrictions, EVERY house had one of those gas lights ut frong near the curb, including the Gold Medalliion "all-electric" house. These gas lights provided all the street lighting and to this day they are still a requirement, not even the electric lap equivalent looking device allowed. (My father the ever prankster, when giving instructions to a co-worker for her & her husband coming to visit for the first time, he told her it was the house with the gas light in front). The orignal gas central system was replaced in about 1965 or 1966 due to a major defect, but I odn't remember what it was. We had that replacement system until the mid to early 1970s when it was replaced by a Carrier electric ac with gas furnace. Before the Carrier arrved, the house managed to stay reasonable cool even during the hottest months of August and September. I think around 74 or 75 degrees. As the day advanced and the sun rotated around the horizon, my mom would rainse and lower room darkening shades in all the rooms to help cut down on the heat coming in. Also during the hottest parts of the day, I couldn't rujn the Norge gas dryers because they put out so much heat. The house next door to us replaced their original gas system with a "modern" gas system in the mid 1970s, about the same time as e did. The houses were simmilar size and arrangement. With their new ac system, their gas bill went through the room and their operating expenses for cooling were much higher than our house with the electric and the house next door bought the most efficient that was avaiable at the time. On a side note, when the Astrodome was built in 1963 or so, their climate control systems werre both gas and electric. The electric was used to quickly bring down the temperature and the gas cooling systems were used to maintain the temperature at a lower cost.
 
Sometime in the '58 '59 time period, we moved into Army housing on a street called 70th Tank Batallion Road in Fort Knox, Kentucky. We had a gas refrigerator in the kitchen, and our one door Frigidaire was in the basement. I would guess the whole series of residences were served mostly by gas. That was a neat place, all of the living quarters were two story, the kitchen and entry doors were on the front. We had attics, basements, French doors on the back for the huge terraced area, and some bits of furniture were included in our place. I can find the place on Google Maps, but no street views, I'm guessing because it's Government housing, if it still exsists at all. I'm guessing the whole area dates to the 1940s.
 
 We have a gas light out on the front of our house. We had it installed when we moved in as the front door is recessed and at night you couldn't see the door. The gas light fixed that. We calculate that it costs us about $20.00 per month to operate.

The first house we had in Houston was an all electric house. The entire subdivision was electric.
Over time you'd see a ditch being dug from the street to the house then a vent or two pop up on the roof of the house.  We were going to run gas into the house, but the gas company wanted $2K to do so. So we sold the house and moved elsewhere. Besides, that part of Houston was falling apart at a very rapid rate.
 
$20/mo???  That's quite a bit, are you sure?  I have a gas water heater, gas cook top, gas dryer and gas grill on the patio, and in the summer my gas bill is not much more than that.

A few of the neighbors still have the gas lamp posts, I enjoy seeing them, but if they knew it was costing $20 I'd bet they'd go out quickly.
 
check out the KC-135 tanker

I remember SD G&E (San Diego Gas and Electric) pushing outdoor gaslights in ads in the late 1960s. I don't recall my parents' home as containing "free" appliances, but this was 1972, not the 60s. However, the builder may well have pocketed rebates or kickbacks from the utility, though where we lived, San Diego Gas & Electric handled both commodities.

My sister's mid-century house in the Bay Area had gas water heater and furnace. Originally laundry area (in a garage now converted to family room) was electric, no gas, and the kitchen did not have gas when they moved in. The previous owner, who had converted the garage, built a laundry annex off a hallway near the bedrooms and ran in gas. From the laundry connection, they piped in a connection to the kitchen so that my sister could replace the existing electric range with a gas model. I presume the 240V outlet is still behind the range should she ever want to revert to an electric or dual-fuel range.

Going back to recycled military planes, how about the KC-135? The Boeing 367 prototype was developed into the KC-135 and--with flengthened and widened fuselage--as the 707. Some of the financial risk Boeing took was cushioned by the knowledge that the military needed lots of jet speed tankers. The later models have been retrofitted with quieter and more fuel efficient CFM engines (similar to civilian airliner engines). With proper maintenance, they can be flow until c. 2040, for a lifespan of about eighty years. Talk about value for money!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-135_Stratotanker
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The interesting bit is that the last 707 didn't roll off of the production line until 1992... for some years after they were no longer being sold as airliners, Boeing was still using the 707 as the base platform for the E-3 AWACS military aircraft. That gave it a total production run of 34 years.
 
I subscribed to Paul's YouTube channel, and he was so excited to find out that I was a washer lover. He we telling about a lamp he found made out of a washer agitator with a fiberglass lampshade. Hmmm a new use for old agitators?
 
Tex Johnston as a 707 passenger

"In his autobiography, test pilot Tex Johnston described a Dutch Roll incident he experienced as a passenger on an early commercial 707 flight. As the aircraft's movements did not cease and most of the passengers became ill, he suspected a misrigging of the directional autopilot (yaw damper). He went to the cockpit and found the crew unable to understand and resolve the situation. He introduced himself and relieved the ashen-faced captain who immediately left the cockpit feeling ill. Johnston disconnected the faulting autopilot and manually stabilized the plane "with two slight control movements""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_707
 
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