westyslantfront
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but i do believe in separation of church and state and too many people pervert church teachings to suit their own political needs....
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When in doubt, quote Mark Twain...
Six Different Quotes, but all pertinent to this conversation.
"The government is merely a servant -- merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them."
"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let me label you as they may"
"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing."
"Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion –- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven."
"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them."
and last, but not least.....
"Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company."
Six Different Quotes, but all pertinent to this conversation.
"The government is merely a servant -- merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them."
"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let me label you as they may"
"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing."
"Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion –- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven."
"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them."
and last, but not least.....
"Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company."
LOVE IT!
Another thought came to me.
LOL. Neighbors (to the house I grew up in) moved in in my youth. Italian Roman Catholics. Three teenaged girls & parents.
I was asked about my religion by the girls, so I answered. Eastern Orthodox CHRISTIAN."Do you believe in Jesus, Mary and Joseph?"(Sadly, I did dignify that question with a reponse; because it was INNOCENTLY asked.)
Then again, to put it all in context, they moved from Brooklyn to Queens (ONE county NORTH) in the same city. I was asked "Does it snow here?" LOL ROFL LMAO...OH NO you DIDN'T....After a long hard swallow (of my tongue!) to ensure my tone was not nasty, I also answered that one.
..when we were studying together and the question was-- What are the four major food groups-- I was tempted to say "And they are NOT:
Pasta
Tomato sauce
Cheese and
Garlic."
BUT I WAS KIND.....
LOL. Neighbors (to the house I grew up in) moved in in my youth. Italian Roman Catholics. Three teenaged girls & parents.
I was asked about my religion by the girls, so I answered. Eastern Orthodox CHRISTIAN."Do you believe in Jesus, Mary and Joseph?"(Sadly, I did dignify that question with a reponse; because it was INNOCENTLY asked.)
Then again, to put it all in context, they moved from Brooklyn to Queens (ONE county NORTH) in the same city. I was asked "Does it snow here?" LOL ROFL LMAO...OH NO you DIDN'T....After a long hard swallow (of my tongue!) to ensure my tone was not nasty, I also answered that one.
..when we were studying together and the question was-- What are the four major food groups-- I was tempted to say "And they are NOT:
Pasta
Tomato sauce
Cheese and
Garlic."
BUT I WAS KIND.....
The joy of growing up ethnic in NYC,
You don't realize there is a bigger (more assimilated)world in this country till around mid-high-school.
You don't realize there is a bigger (more assimilated)world in this country till around mid-high-school.
Ttranslations and more
Not only are people dealing with translations from Hebrew and Aramaic into Greek and Latin and English, but also with the "massaging" of the texts to convey the message that the Church, over time, wanted its members to know using imagery that they would understand. In Greek and Roman mythology, one of the marks of a diety was being born to a virgin. Bingo Bango, guess why this factor was so important to the new church seeking converts from the followers of the many dieties that were worshipped in the Greek and Roman pantheon? None of the first four books of the New Testament was written at the time the events were happening, just as Genesis was not written as it happened.
Interesting side note: Why does Genesis, the first book in the Torah, begin with the creation story? Well, if you are a people who claim that your Deity gave you a certain land in the world, it carries a lot more weight if your Deity created the whole world so that your Deity has/had the authority to give what what belonged to your Deity by virtue of being the one who created it.
I am not trying to debunk any creed or belief that acknowledges that Love is the only thing that matters and the only eternal force in all of creation that can bridge the gap between the terrestrial and the celestial, between life on earth and eternal life. The exact middle of the five books of the Torah is the second clause of Leviticus 19:18, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord." This was the second part of the answer Jesus gave when asked what was the greatest commandment. The first part is the sentence recited in every Jewish worship service and one of the last things to be uttered on the death bed, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our G-d, the Lord is One." Then Jesus followed with, "And the second is like unto it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself." The answer to the question, "Who is my neighbor?" is in the parable of the Good Samaritan--not just your own people, but anyone who needs your help is your neighbor. When Rabbi Hillel was stopped by a Roman soldier who demanded with the point of his sword at Hillel's throat, "Jew tell me your whole Torah while standing on one foot," Hillel responded, "What is hateful to you, do not do to others. The rest is commentary; you must go and study it."
Finally, an 18th century Chasidic tale that is a pin for everyone's balloon:
The disciples of Rabbi Pinchas were talking with animation when their master entered the House of Study. Upon his arrival, they fell silent. He asked them; What were you talking about? They replied: We were discussing our fear that the inclination to do evil will persue us. He replied: You need not worry. You have not yet reached so high a plane. For the time being, you are still persuing it.
Not only are people dealing with translations from Hebrew and Aramaic into Greek and Latin and English, but also with the "massaging" of the texts to convey the message that the Church, over time, wanted its members to know using imagery that they would understand. In Greek and Roman mythology, one of the marks of a diety was being born to a virgin. Bingo Bango, guess why this factor was so important to the new church seeking converts from the followers of the many dieties that were worshipped in the Greek and Roman pantheon? None of the first four books of the New Testament was written at the time the events were happening, just as Genesis was not written as it happened.
Interesting side note: Why does Genesis, the first book in the Torah, begin with the creation story? Well, if you are a people who claim that your Deity gave you a certain land in the world, it carries a lot more weight if your Deity created the whole world so that your Deity has/had the authority to give what what belonged to your Deity by virtue of being the one who created it.
I am not trying to debunk any creed or belief that acknowledges that Love is the only thing that matters and the only eternal force in all of creation that can bridge the gap between the terrestrial and the celestial, between life on earth and eternal life. The exact middle of the five books of the Torah is the second clause of Leviticus 19:18, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord." This was the second part of the answer Jesus gave when asked what was the greatest commandment. The first part is the sentence recited in every Jewish worship service and one of the last things to be uttered on the death bed, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our G-d, the Lord is One." Then Jesus followed with, "And the second is like unto it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself." The answer to the question, "Who is my neighbor?" is in the parable of the Good Samaritan--not just your own people, but anyone who needs your help is your neighbor. When Rabbi Hillel was stopped by a Roman soldier who demanded with the point of his sword at Hillel's throat, "Jew tell me your whole Torah while standing on one foot," Hillel responded, "What is hateful to you, do not do to others. The rest is commentary; you must go and study it."
Finally, an 18th century Chasidic tale that is a pin for everyone's balloon:
The disciples of Rabbi Pinchas were talking with animation when their master entered the House of Study. Upon his arrival, they fell silent. He asked them; What were you talking about? They replied: We were discussing our fear that the inclination to do evil will persue us. He replied: You need not worry. You have not yet reached so high a plane. For the time being, you are still persuing it.
Etymology of words.
CATHOLIC-
from the Greek (natch *WINK*):
KATH-OL-ON- all people (universal)
KATH-OL-EEN- all things (complete)
(Where "-IC" is of couse a suffix in English, meaning one who is or pertaining to .....)
Ross, I think we both can win (be correct)with this one. LOL
even that word can be interpreted diferently, and have far-reaching effects on a concept.
CATHOLIC-
from the Greek (natch *WINK*):
KATH-OL-ON- all people (universal)
KATH-OL-EEN- all things (complete)
(Where "-IC" is of couse a suffix in English, meaning one who is or pertaining to .....)
Ross, I think we both can win (be correct)with this one. LOL
even that word can be interpreted diferently, and have far-reaching effects on a concept.
Another Mark Twain quote:
"Man is the only animal who blushes. Or needs to."
Lawrence/Maytagbear
"Man is the only animal who blushes. Or needs to."
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Nothing beats seeing the the "REAL" message the prophets (not profits! LOL) are trying to convey and what is actually extracted by the masses and the "experts".
TE HE HE HE
Who TOLD you you were naked?
Who TOLD you you were naked?
lightedcontrols
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Oh My Lawd!!!
Dear Friends,
While I try to be a good Jewish-Christian woman, please don't hold Jerry Fallwell against us lovely people that live in Virginia. It's not our fault that he lives here!!! Since he's such a nut case, where do you suppose the media will look to when they want someone that will say something stupid, and especially when they say the SAME STUPID THINGS CONSISTANTLY! Anyone in California want him?????????????? Mark
Dear Friends,
While I try to be a good Jewish-Christian woman, please don't hold Jerry Fallwell against us lovely people that live in Virginia. It's not our fault that he lives here!!! Since he's such a nut case, where do you suppose the media will look to when they want someone that will say something stupid, and especially when they say the SAME STUPID THINGS CONSISTANTLY! Anyone in California want him?????????????? Mark
westyslantfront
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Hi Toggle....people's ignorance in this day and age is abysmal.
Many people, especially Roman Catholics have no idea about other churches. Once I brought Roman Catholic to High Mass in Episcopal Church. She was amazed that we said the Lord's Prayer, Nicene Creed, etc. I responded "well, we don't jump up and down and shout hallelujah for a few hours and that our Mass is essentially the same. The two diffferences are that the closest we have to a Pope is the Archbishop of Canterbury and worst of all, we don't have BINGO!!!!!
As I stated earlier, catholic (small "c" is intentional) means universal.
Many people, especially Roman Catholics have no idea about other churches. Once I brought Roman Catholic to High Mass in Episcopal Church. She was amazed that we said the Lord's Prayer, Nicene Creed, etc. I responded "well, we don't jump up and down and shout hallelujah for a few hours and that our Mass is essentially the same. The two diffferences are that the closest we have to a Pope is the Archbishop of Canterbury and worst of all, we don't have BINGO!!!!!
As I stated earlier, catholic (small "c" is intentional) means universal.
Toggle--------
but 'ya still ain't right Blanche, 'ya still ain't right.
but 'ya still ain't right Blanche, 'ya still ain't right.
Versatronic
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Subject Drift
I really haven't read this thread because there seems to be both religion and politics involved and that's when I vamoose. But I'd like to take this opportunity to say that my girlfiend, her kid and me all spent the entire day with the man we know as Toggleswitch yesterday. He is really a great guy and we had a wonderful time. My GF and her kid just adored him. I have a couple of pictures from the visit but those will have to wait until later in the week.
I really haven't read this thread because there seems to be both religion and politics involved and that's when I vamoose. But I'd like to take this opportunity to say that my girlfiend, her kid and me all spent the entire day with the man we know as Toggleswitch yesterday. He is really a great guy and we had a wonderful time. My GF and her kid just adored him. I have a couple of pictures from the visit but those will have to wait until later in the week.
Toggleswitch is a really nice person. I know ya'll had a great visit.
westyslantfront
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Toggle was here in Tucson in September and he is loved and adored by Roger, Nate, and Ross, the Tucson Contingent. We look forward to his return here end of March 2006 for our mini-wash in. Toggle is a star.
*blush*
rayjay
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Toggleswitch
I have to agree with all of you. Myself and family think he is a great guy and like him very much!
I have to agree with all of you. Myself and family think he is a great guy and like him very much!
ENOUGH PLEASE!
