Tonight in my GE TT I loaded lome very dirty dishes in and putting Finish to the test. Some dishes were stained with dried avacado and I made a mess of the stove so most pieces went in.
Maybe not a Bob Load But!
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Bottom rack
Bottom rack
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Some more
Some more
Top rack!
Extras!
Extras!
Detergent
The all in one went into the bottom of tub for prewash and the quantum went in dispenser for main wash. We will see how good they work.
The all in one went into the bottom of tub for prewash and the quantum went in dispenser for main wash. We will see how good they work.
Cycle!
I set for normal wash with prewash option and heated dry and we will check back tomorrow for the results!
Night
Peter
I set for normal wash with prewash option and heated dry and we will check back tomorrow for the results!
Night
Peter
my 2 cents ...
why don't you try to load your DW properly instead of using a double amount of detergent ??
# The "all in one" will not have time enough to dissolve in the prewash, so the machine will run the main wash with too much detergent (etching hazard ...)
# The upper rack is loaded in a wrong way. What about that small casserole in the centre, that bowl facing the wall and that strainer ?? Items must face spray arms, cause water jets aren't able to bend ... I understand loading shallow bowls upright that way as you did in the lower rack, but the inside of that casserole will no matter be cleaned (unless you prewashed it by hand)
# The lower rack is underloaded (some place is wasted) . If the 2 larger plates were closer to the cutting board and the dessert plates were loaded in that free place in the center you had extra place to load that big casserole in the lower rack, allowing you to load strainer, small casserole and bowls in a decent way
why don't you try to load your DW properly instead of using a double amount of detergent ??
# The "all in one" will not have time enough to dissolve in the prewash, so the machine will run the main wash with too much detergent (etching hazard ...)
# The upper rack is loaded in a wrong way. What about that small casserole in the centre, that bowl facing the wall and that strainer ?? Items must face spray arms, cause water jets aren't able to bend ... I understand loading shallow bowls upright that way as you did in the lower rack, but the inside of that casserole will no matter be cleaned (unless you prewashed it by hand)
# The lower rack is underloaded (some place is wasted) . If the 2 larger plates were closer to the cutting board and the dessert plates were loaded in that free place in the center you had extra place to load that big casserole in the lower rack, allowing you to load strainer, small casserole and bowls in a decent way
My Thermador THD 3600 is much easier to BobLoad on the upper rack than the lower. This was also true of the Maytag that preceded it. For me, the upper rack is where the cramming happens and as long as an item isn't completely blocked from spray action, if it fits and the rack slides back in, it's OK. The Thermador is such a thrashing machine that really nothing can escape its strong jets of water.
One of these days I'm going to have the magic combination of items for BobLoading the bottom rack and I will defeat WKU's efforts to have every load look like the owner's manual pictures. I'll waste no time in posting here.
I'm very interested in seeing how the GE did with the dried-on avocado, one of the tougher jobs to give a dishwasher.
One of these days I'm going to have the magic combination of items for BobLoading the bottom rack and I will defeat WKU's efforts to have every load look like the owner's manual pictures. I'll waste no time in posting here.
I'm very interested in seeing how the GE did with the dried-on avocado, one of the tougher jobs to give a dishwasher.
Well lets see!
Is it clean or not lets see!
Is it clean or not lets see!
First
Looks clean
Looks clean
Second
I notice a bad spot
I notice a bad spot
Third
Still need to examine
Still need to examine
Fourth
This one seems ok
This one seems ok
Bad Plate
This was in direct site of water
should I go back to cascade or give finish another chance
This was in direct site of water
should I go back to cascade or give finish another chance
Grates
Most of the stove grates came out ok except for one - maybe I should have use Cookware cycle
Most of the stove grates came out ok except for one - maybe I should have use Cookware cycle
The sump of dishwasher!
I usually never find specs but I usually scrape better.
You guys be the judge.
Thanks for watching
Peter
I usually never find specs but I usually scrape better.
You guys be the judge.
Thanks for watching
Peter
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explain why I did what I did
# The "all in one" will not have time enough to dissolve in the prewash, so the machine will run the main wash with too much detergent (etching hazard ...)
When I select the prewash button it gives extra pre rinses to get rid of debries and desolve soap
And their wont be to much detergent in main wash
# The upper rack is loaded in a wrong way. What about that small casserole in the centre, that bowl facing the wall and that strainer ?? Items must face spray arms, cause water jets aren't able to bend ... I understand loading shallow bowls upright that way as you did in the lower rack, but the inside of that casserole will no matter be cleaned (unless you prewashed it by hand)
I understand about the bowls being faces down, but first this bowl was not that soiled and I have the upper spray that works good for this type of load. The strainer is always loaded that way and always comes clean again from the top sprayer.
# The lower rack is underloaded (some place is wasted) . If the 2 larger plates were closer to the cutting board and the dessert plates were loaded in that free place in the center you had extra place to load that big casserole in the lower rack, allowing you to load strainer, small casserole and bowls in a decent way
I realize I could have loaded more in the bottom rack and this is 2 days of dishes. If I started with the big plates I would have loaded them more to the left by the cutting board. It doesn't matter as long as the water source is hitting the plates. I would have waited another day to run the dishwasher but I decided to add my stove pieces and do a test on the detergent.
explain why I did what I did
# The "all in one" will not have time enough to dissolve in the prewash, so the machine will run the main wash with too much detergent (etching hazard ...)
When I select the prewash button it gives extra pre rinses to get rid of debries and desolve soap
And their wont be to much detergent in main wash
# The upper rack is loaded in a wrong way. What about that small casserole in the centre, that bowl facing the wall and that strainer ?? Items must face spray arms, cause water jets aren't able to bend ... I understand loading shallow bowls upright that way as you did in the lower rack, but the inside of that casserole will no matter be cleaned (unless you prewashed it by hand)
I understand about the bowls being faces down, but first this bowl was not that soiled and I have the upper spray that works good for this type of load. The strainer is always loaded that way and always comes clean again from the top sprayer.
# The lower rack is underloaded (some place is wasted) . If the 2 larger plates were closer to the cutting board and the dessert plates were loaded in that free place in the center you had extra place to load that big casserole in the lower rack, allowing you to load strainer, small casserole and bowls in a decent way
I realize I could have loaded more in the bottom rack and this is 2 days of dishes. If I started with the big plates I would have loaded them more to the left by the cutting board. It doesn't matter as long as the water source is hitting the plates. I would have waited another day to run the dishwasher but I decided to add my stove pieces and do a test on the detergent.
Load 'em up Buckwheat
Sometimes I run the dishwasher because I feel it's ability to scrub something like burner pans supercedes doing it by hand. Sometimes I run it because items I need are in the dishwasher and it's not jammed packed. When I need to I can stuff it with the best of them. Living alone its hard to fill a dishwasher before it smells or something you need is in the back of the machine. It appears the spot on the plate is a bit if debris from the burner bib. We're getting allitle testy here for just having fun doing a comparative test.
Sometimes I run the dishwasher because I feel it's ability to scrub something like burner pans supercedes doing it by hand. Sometimes I run it because items I need are in the dishwasher and it's not jammed packed. When I need to I can stuff it with the best of them. Living alone its hard to fill a dishwasher before it smells or something you need is in the back of the machine. It appears the spot on the plate is a bit if debris from the burner bib. We're getting allitle testy here for just having fun doing a comparative test.
Questions for Peter
-Did you use detergent with phosphates or without?
-Is your GE dishwasher the kind that has a filter to collect food bits, and you're supposed to clean the filter? Is that what the perforated screen is in the photo titled "The sump of dishwasher"?
-Thanks for sharing your test results!
-Did you use detergent with phosphates or without?
-Is your GE dishwasher the kind that has a filter to collect food bits, and you're supposed to clean the filter? Is that what the perforated screen is in the photo titled "The sump of dishwasher"?
-Thanks for sharing your test results!
Peter -
I hate to say this, but my experience with a dishwasher nearly identical to yours is if you've done all that and still have issues, then I'd get a new dishwasher. I bought a new Kenmore in April and it will be installed finally next week.
I really dislike my GE. It was the worst come-down (mine is a PDW7800) I've ever experienced in an appliance. Before the TT I had a Potscrubber 1200 for ten years, which I loved. MY TT does some of the same stuff your machine did, but the 1200 never did any of that. My problem is not so much stuck on leafy food, but with stuck-on remants in my cookware (especially my Revereware skillet from something as simple as a Hamburger Helper) that was always mirror-clean in the 1200. The only difference was the two machines. Same detergent, same items, same water source.
About the only thing I approve of in the GE TT is the turbidity sensor. If it doesn't sense overly filthy water (mine never is) or a lot of detergent (which fools the sensor) then it goes directly into main wash without pre-washing, and I like that because all the detergent I put in gets mixed into the main wash water and heated to full temperature. I like the water savings.
I may be going WAY downline in that I am replacing my TT with a Kenmore version of the recently discontinued Whirlpool PowerClean model. It's been boxed and sitting in the garage since April. If like the new machine better, I'll be happy regardless of how fancy the TT is. I would just like to have something that I like as much as the 1200.
Gordon[this post was last edited: 6/4/2010-16:16]
I hate to say this, but my experience with a dishwasher nearly identical to yours is if you've done all that and still have issues, then I'd get a new dishwasher. I bought a new Kenmore in April and it will be installed finally next week.
I really dislike my GE. It was the worst come-down (mine is a PDW7800) I've ever experienced in an appliance. Before the TT I had a Potscrubber 1200 for ten years, which I loved. MY TT does some of the same stuff your machine did, but the 1200 never did any of that. My problem is not so much stuck on leafy food, but with stuck-on remants in my cookware (especially my Revereware skillet from something as simple as a Hamburger Helper) that was always mirror-clean in the 1200. The only difference was the two machines. Same detergent, same items, same water source.
About the only thing I approve of in the GE TT is the turbidity sensor. If it doesn't sense overly filthy water (mine never is) or a lot of detergent (which fools the sensor) then it goes directly into main wash without pre-washing, and I like that because all the detergent I put in gets mixed into the main wash water and heated to full temperature. I like the water savings.
I may be going WAY downline in that I am replacing my TT with a Kenmore version of the recently discontinued Whirlpool PowerClean model. It's been boxed and sitting in the garage since April. If like the new machine better, I'll be happy regardless of how fancy the TT is. I would just like to have something that I like as much as the 1200.
Gordon[this post was last edited: 6/4/2010-16:16]
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Gordon, if this is the model you purchased, I think you will be satisfied with its cleaning ability. We've been using ours now for about two months.
At first I wasn't completely happy with the way it cleaned casserole dishes and broiler pans, but then I realized my dishwasher detergent was now mysteriously phosphate-free. Once I added phosphates, it's cleaned as well as the old Kenmore.
It doesn't dry quite as well as the old one, particularly plastics. I guess this is due to using less electricity. I'm going to try using the JetDry TurboDry rinse aid, to see if that improves the drying.
It's a little noisier than the old one, but it is a less-expensive model with less soundproofing materials. We don't find the sound objectionable.
The only other thing to note is that it doesn't load as well as the old one, but this is relatively easy to fix. For the bottom rack, they used the same one you'd find in a Whirlpool (where the cutlery basket is in the door), but they used a Kenmore cutlery basket that fits inside the rack. So, the bump-out in front, that we had on the lower rack of our old Kenmore, is missing.
That extra 2" or 2-1/2" of rack space really makes a difference in how many dishes you can load. I found a NOS rack in the older style that someone on Craigslist sold for $25, so I'll be using that one instead of what came with the new Kenmore.
I will add that I didn't have good results, using the old Kenmore, with cleaning off burned-on food in the bottom of a stainless steel pot or frying pan. (We've since switched to nonstick cookware.) It may be that there isn't anything that will perform that task as well as your old GE Potscrubber.
Let us know if the new Kenmore passes your Revereware skillet cleaning test.
Gordon, if this is the model you purchased, I think you will be satisfied with its cleaning ability. We've been using ours now for about two months.
At first I wasn't completely happy with the way it cleaned casserole dishes and broiler pans, but then I realized my dishwasher detergent was now mysteriously phosphate-free. Once I added phosphates, it's cleaned as well as the old Kenmore.
It doesn't dry quite as well as the old one, particularly plastics. I guess this is due to using less electricity. I'm going to try using the JetDry TurboDry rinse aid, to see if that improves the drying.
It's a little noisier than the old one, but it is a less-expensive model with less soundproofing materials. We don't find the sound objectionable.
The only other thing to note is that it doesn't load as well as the old one, but this is relatively easy to fix. For the bottom rack, they used the same one you'd find in a Whirlpool (where the cutlery basket is in the door), but they used a Kenmore cutlery basket that fits inside the rack. So, the bump-out in front, that we had on the lower rack of our old Kenmore, is missing.
That extra 2" or 2-1/2" of rack space really makes a difference in how many dishes you can load. I found a NOS rack in the older style that someone on Craigslist sold for $25, so I'll be using that one instead of what came with the new Kenmore.
I will add that I didn't have good results, using the old Kenmore, with cleaning off burned-on food in the bottom of a stainless steel pot or frying pan. (We've since switched to nonstick cookware.) It may be that there isn't anything that will perform that task as well as your old GE Potscrubber.
Let us know if the new Kenmore passes your Revereware skillet cleaning test.
lotsosudz
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I have a GE 1200 that usually gets everything clean the first time. However I bought a box of the "new Finish Powder", and now I have glassware that looks like hell, and silverware that ends up having to go the second time around. I say your problem is Finish. I am going to try the Cascade, as I never had this problem before. I must assume it's the detergent.
David
David
mrcleanjeans
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I'd be finished with Finish. I found even the phosphated Quantum was detestable. Phosphated Cascade in all forms is FAR superior.
Cascade With Phosphates
I just cleaned out my favorite ACE Hardware yesterday. They still had four of the smaller size boxes of Cascade/Dawn powder. It wasn't cheap, but it's also no longer going to be available.
I was just at Walgreens. They have many boxes of the larger size of the same stuff but currently are asking $5.99 each. I'll wait until they are dumb enough to put it on sale. I don't think much of it moves at that price.
Kelly, I have to ask. How did that glass baking dish on the lower rack of the Superba do? Even my Thermador has trouble with that sort of thing, especially if not angled toward the spray.
I agree with you about reasons to run the machine. We go through glasses and flatware, and I'm tired of washing flatware by hand. So I go out of my way to use real plates for everything now. We used to use paper plates. Even for a slice of toast, I put it on a plate. That way when we run out of glasses and flatware, there's usually enough in the machine to justify running it. Particularly if I add in the glass coffee carafe and basket assembly--I get a night off from washing all of those components by hand.
Ralph
I just cleaned out my favorite ACE Hardware yesterday. They still had four of the smaller size boxes of Cascade/Dawn powder. It wasn't cheap, but it's also no longer going to be available.
I was just at Walgreens. They have many boxes of the larger size of the same stuff but currently are asking $5.99 each. I'll wait until they are dumb enough to put it on sale. I don't think much of it moves at that price.
Kelly, I have to ask. How did that glass baking dish on the lower rack of the Superba do? Even my Thermador has trouble with that sort of thing, especially if not angled toward the spray.
I agree with you about reasons to run the machine. We go through glasses and flatware, and I'm tired of washing flatware by hand. So I go out of my way to use real plates for everything now. We used to use paper plates. Even for a slice of toast, I put it on a plate. That way when we run out of glasses and flatware, there's usually enough in the machine to justify running it. Particularly if I add in the glass coffee carafe and basket assembly--I get a night off from washing all of those components by hand.
Ralph
sudsmaster
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It may not be a Bob Load, but,
It just might be a Bob Butt Load...
LOL
It just might be a Bob Butt Load...
LOL
French Baker
When I put baking pans on the dishwasher they're completely on their to get clean. I try to mind full of not placing tall items like dinner plates in the way and I'm almost always lucky. Since living here, I have had 2 older style with Hydrosweep wash action, 2 newer Kitchenpools, 2 GE tall tubs, one more feature laden the other and now a Maytag. The Kitchenpools didn't impress and the other were all good cleaners. Of them all the GE Profile tall tub is the best machine. I find a good one and use it for a while. If something better or more interesting comes along I move the predeseccor to another unit in the building. Here's a picture of the cheaper model.
When I put baking pans on the dishwasher they're completely on their to get clean. I try to mind full of not placing tall items like dinner plates in the way and I'm almost always lucky. Since living here, I have had 2 older style with Hydrosweep wash action, 2 newer Kitchenpools, 2 GE tall tubs, one more feature laden the other and now a Maytag. The Kitchenpools didn't impress and the other were all good cleaners. Of them all the GE Profile tall tub is the best machine. I find a good one and use it for a while. If something better or more interesting comes along I move the predeseccor to another unit in the building. Here's a picture of the cheaper model.
RE: Dishload and comments!
-Did you use detergent with phosphates or without?
I don't know if the detergent contains phosphates or not the quantum is the better one.
-Is your GE dishwasher the kind that has a filter to collect food bits, and you're supposed to clean the filter? Is that what the perforated screen is in the photo titled "The sump of dishwasher"?
Yes the performated screen is the filter and I don't have to clean it - it does have a disposer in the back. I really cant complain I did load the machine with more debris than usual. And only the one plate was missed. The stove parts were in real bad shape so I can't hold that against the machine or the detergent.
Over all I am happy with the GE. I origionally had a portable Whirlpool portable power clean that I was going to install when I re did the kitchen almost 9 years ago. I departed with it like a fool for a Kenmore tall tub (really sucked) to make a long story short. Than I exchanged it for the GE and it's a good DW but I was a fool to let the power clean go and I should have installed it when I remodeled the kitchen. I also didn't mind the silverware in the door either like a lot of people don't care for. To me the whirlpool power clean and hobart kitchenaid's were by far the best dishwashers made. But I am satisified with the GE tall tub. I can't knock it for missing 1 plate and like I said I can't knock it for missing the stove grates. (should have Cookware cycle) - Not bad for a normal wash.
A few people here spoke about the GE 1200 and yes that was a real excellent dishwasher. I remember in the 80's it was rated top performance above kitchenaid and maytag. Would have been nice at that time if GE had keep the desigh from the potscrubber2 with the 2 wash arms but went back to the tower which I wasn't crazy about, but anyway it was a great dishwasher.
Thanks for all your input
Lets see some more loads and discussions
Peter
-Did you use detergent with phosphates or without?
I don't know if the detergent contains phosphates or not the quantum is the better one.
-Is your GE dishwasher the kind that has a filter to collect food bits, and you're supposed to clean the filter? Is that what the perforated screen is in the photo titled "The sump of dishwasher"?
Yes the performated screen is the filter and I don't have to clean it - it does have a disposer in the back. I really cant complain I did load the machine with more debris than usual. And only the one plate was missed. The stove parts were in real bad shape so I can't hold that against the machine or the detergent.
Over all I am happy with the GE. I origionally had a portable Whirlpool portable power clean that I was going to install when I re did the kitchen almost 9 years ago. I departed with it like a fool for a Kenmore tall tub (really sucked) to make a long story short. Than I exchanged it for the GE and it's a good DW but I was a fool to let the power clean go and I should have installed it when I remodeled the kitchen. I also didn't mind the silverware in the door either like a lot of people don't care for. To me the whirlpool power clean and hobart kitchenaid's were by far the best dishwashers made. But I am satisified with the GE tall tub. I can't knock it for missing 1 plate and like I said I can't knock it for missing the stove grates. (should have Cookware cycle) - Not bad for a normal wash.
A few people here spoke about the GE 1200 and yes that was a real excellent dishwasher. I remember in the 80's it was rated top performance above kitchenaid and maytag. Would have been nice at that time if GE had keep the desigh from the potscrubber2 with the 2 wash arms but went back to the tower which I wasn't crazy about, but anyway it was a great dishwasher.
Thanks for all your input
Lets see some more loads and discussions
Peter
re : tablets and upright casseroles
Peter,
the prewash is not long enough to dissolve a tablet. To give you a clue if you run a DW on the quick/30 mins cycle with a tablet you'll find it not totally dissolved at the end of the programme.
About that small casserole with the handle, I'm pretty sure no dishwasher can clean it if it is loaded that way. Try this : use it to boil some milk, then load it in that very way. No matter of cookware cycle, water jets can't reach the inside and you'll have milk rings/residues inside. I guess the proper way to load pots and deep bowls is Kelly/Mixfinder's one.
As for that range part not sparkling clean .... these are *dishwashers*, we can't expect the same result as a professional *potwasher* that uses also plastic clumps or sand added to water in order to scrub
BTW here some people have issues with that red power ball that doesn't dissolve properly and clogs machines
What about the price of the quantum vs powerball ??
Here the quantum is darn dear ...
Peter,
the prewash is not long enough to dissolve a tablet. To give you a clue if you run a DW on the quick/30 mins cycle with a tablet you'll find it not totally dissolved at the end of the programme.
About that small casserole with the handle, I'm pretty sure no dishwasher can clean it if it is loaded that way. Try this : use it to boil some milk, then load it in that very way. No matter of cookware cycle, water jets can't reach the inside and you'll have milk rings/residues inside. I guess the proper way to load pots and deep bowls is Kelly/Mixfinder's one.
As for that range part not sparkling clean .... these are *dishwashers*, we can't expect the same result as a professional *potwasher* that uses also plastic clumps or sand added to water in order to scrub
BTW here some people have issues with that red power ball that doesn't dissolve properly and clogs machines
What about the price of the quantum vs powerball ??
Here the quantum is darn dear ...
tablets and upright casseroles
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BTW - The way my dishwasher works is when I hit the prewash button I get at least 3 prerinses and the 3rd one is heated with a phase called hotstart which that alone provides 14 minutes of heated water circulation. So I am quite sure the 1st tablet is disolved before the main wash.
And for that small pot that you refer to with the little handle it was lightly soiled that is why I loaded it that way otherwise I would have loaded it face down more correctly. Some things you can get away with when lightly soiled.
I paid about $4.00 more for the quantum.
Peter
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BTW - The way my dishwasher works is when I hit the prewash button I get at least 3 prerinses and the 3rd one is heated with a phase called hotstart which that alone provides 14 minutes of heated water circulation. So I am quite sure the 1st tablet is disolved before the main wash.
And for that small pot that you refer to with the little handle it was lightly soiled that is why I loaded it that way otherwise I would have loaded it face down more correctly. Some things you can get away with when lightly soiled.
I paid about $4.00 more for the quantum.
Peter
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The nice thing about the GE TT dishwashers is that dishes or bowls can be placed sideways on the top rack and they will clean just fine from the spray from the third wash arm as it sprays a significant volume of water down and sideways. I loaded mine that way all the time to save space, and even heavily soiled items will clean fine. There are no dead spots on the top rack, a rarity for most dishwashers. The first wash on any of its cycles is long enough to dissolve any tablet, with or without heat since this machine uses a good bit of water to wash, though I never found the need for much detergent anyway since I have softer water. The pre-wash cycle adds heat and a 16 minute first wash, plenty of time for anything to dissolve, and with an almost 1000 watt heater, the heating happens very quickly. GE probably has one of the most flexible loading schemes of any tall tub dishwasher. It's also one of the few machines that never leaves grit on glasses and cups unless you completely block its upper wash arm. The one thing mine would not clean were the stove grates/drip pans...that I needed to use oven cleaner or brillo to clean, since those messes were usually burned on. I don't know, I thought it was a good cleaner, quiet, easy to load, flexible with many options to play with, and I'm reeeeeeeeally sorry I sold it.
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