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Miele Brand Commercial Grade Dishwasher (For Home Use) $5,485
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Miele site.
BTW,the power requirements:
T W O 30a 220v circuits! (Equivalent to TWO heavy-duty dryer lines!)
(Convertible to 3 phase power input)
BTW,the power requirements:
T W O 30a 220v circuits! (Equivalent to TWO heavy-duty dryer lines!)
(Convertible to 3 phase power input)
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Installation and Specifications Guide (PDF format).
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• Hot or cold water connection
NOTE: Hot water connection recommended for peak performance
Didja ever think you'd see the day that a Euro DW recommends a hot fill?
• Powerful 106 gallon/minute circulation pump
How does this compare to others?
What was Kitchen Aid's pumping rate claim-to-fame?
NOTE: Hot water connection recommended for peak performance
Didja ever think you'd see the day that a Euro DW recommends a hot fill?
• Powerful 106 gallon/minute circulation pump
How does this compare to others?
What was Kitchen Aid's pumping rate claim-to-fame?
rolls_rapide
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Hot water on European machines
This is actually not a new idea; it has been done before, on domestic machines.
There was a dishwasher brand called 'Moffat', that may or may not have been exclusive to the energy shops, like British Gas Showrooms. Apparently, it had both hot & cold fill hoses, in order to take advantage of the cheaper gas-heated hot water.
But this was about twenty years ago now!
This is actually not a new idea; it has been done before, on domestic machines.
There was a dishwasher brand called 'Moffat', that may or may not have been exclusive to the energy shops, like British Gas Showrooms. Apparently, it had both hot & cold fill hoses, in order to take advantage of the cheaper gas-heated hot water.
But this was about twenty years ago now!
The super powerful blue wash arm KitchenAid boasted 40 gallons/minute I believe... This has to be an AMAZING dishwasher!!!!
Cold Water Filling
Does not always equal energy savings in either washing machines or dishwashers.
Several factors must be taken into account, including as mentioned upthread, cost of heating water via gas, and or cost of heated water from a central hot water heater.
That is to say if one has a ready supply of 120F water that can reach the dishwasher at that temp, there is little to gain from heating cold water up, especially if one has a tank hot water heater where water is sitting there anyway.
Does not always equal energy savings in either washing machines or dishwashers.
Several factors must be taken into account, including as mentioned upthread, cost of heating water via gas, and or cost of heated water from a central hot water heater.
That is to say if one has a ready supply of 120F water that can reach the dishwasher at that temp, there is little to gain from heating cold water up, especially if one has a tank hot water heater where water is sitting there anyway.
For All You Technical Girls and Boys
Your light reading for the evening.
www.jtmservice.co.uk
Your light reading for the evening.
JTM Service – Commercial Laundry & Dishwashing Experts. Sales, leasing and repairs.
www.jtmservice.co.uk
Few interesting tidbits:
Like all true commercial dishwashers, the Miele has a programme that will hold the final rinse water for use in the next cycle. Obviously if one is not going to use the machine again right away, water must then be drained.
Both top and lower racks come out totally, but require a quite large array of additional items to make loading the same as one would with a normal domestic unit.
If Miele thought Amercians objected to having one 220v power line installed (where one did not already exsist)for laundry appliances, it is going to take some doing to for the same market to have TWO 220v/30amp lines installed in their kitchen. Perhaps not a problem if one is building or doing a complete overhaul of the kitchen, but that is an awful lot of power. Can see electricans in upscale areas now planning that new pool or summer house! *LOL*
Seems to be only one spray arm, unless the other is located on top of the inside. If that is the case,then yes it is going to need to move water along the lines of older Hobart Kitchenaid units to reach both levels for good cleaning and rinsing.
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Like all true commercial dishwashers, the Miele has a programme that will hold the final rinse water for use in the next cycle. Obviously if one is not going to use the machine again right away, water must then be drained.
Both top and lower racks come out totally, but require a quite large array of additional items to make loading the same as one would with a normal domestic unit.
If Miele thought Amercians objected to having one 220v power line installed (where one did not already exsist)for laundry appliances, it is going to take some doing to for the same market to have TWO 220v/30amp lines installed in their kitchen. Perhaps not a problem if one is building or doing a complete overhaul of the kitchen, but that is an awful lot of power. Can see electricans in upscale areas now planning that new pool or summer house! *LOL*
Seems to be only one spray arm, unless the other is located on top of the inside. If that is the case,then yes it is going to need to move water along the lines of older Hobart Kitchenaid units to reach both levels for good cleaning and rinsing.
L.
Commercials
I`ve used the G7856 and it certainly does the job especially if you need quick batches completed...if its plates n large glasses, (not stems) them these will take anything thrown at them..
g7856 has a pump pushing 400lt minute, 3phase 400v 50hz, heater rating is 8.7kw (hot) total fused load is 9.4amps,
can complete in one hour 257plates + 797 pieces of cutlery in lower basket and 365 pieces of crockery in upper basket...
My question is how many people did it take to stack, unload, stack, unload to measure how much it could do in one hour!!!...???
I`ve used the G7856 and it certainly does the job especially if you need quick batches completed...if its plates n large glasses, (not stems) them these will take anything thrown at them..
g7856 has a pump pushing 400lt minute, 3phase 400v 50hz, heater rating is 8.7kw (hot) total fused load is 9.4amps,
can complete in one hour 257plates + 797 pieces of cutlery in lower basket and 365 pieces of crockery in upper basket...
My question is how many people did it take to stack, unload, stack, unload to measure how much it could do in one hour!!!...???
No Need For Manual Labour
When we have our friend Mr. Algerbra.
Not sure how the formula would run, but all the required information would be at hand to do the math. Afterall if one knows what will fit in the racks,and if one knows how long the cycles are, it is only a matter of doing the sums to come up with how long it would take "X" amount of racks to be done in "X" amount of time.
When we have our friend Mr. Algerbra.
Not sure how the formula would run, but all the required information would be at hand to do the math. Afterall if one knows what will fit in the racks,and if one knows how long the cycles are, it is only a matter of doing the sums to come up with how long it would take "X" amount of racks to be done in "X" amount of time.
There is an upper arm for each upper basket style; You can see it in the photos in Tog's "baskets of interest" post, above.
Water shoots down in a column from the top of the tub into the hollow post in the center of the upper rack, then out into the arm, which shoots it back up. A fairly inefficient use of water power, but apparently this machine is steroidal, so results may be better than that of, say, a Frigidaire DW, which uses the same principle for its upper rack (or at least it did when I owned one a few years back...)
I would LOVE to have one of these Miele machines. I'm the textbook-case customer for it. I do a lot of entertaining and would benefit from a machine in which plates, flatware and glasses can be washed in 10 minutes.
However, I do not have space in my fusebox for two 200-volt lines. Nor do I have $5,000.
Buzzzzzz: Dream over!
Water shoots down in a column from the top of the tub into the hollow post in the center of the upper rack, then out into the arm, which shoots it back up. A fairly inefficient use of water power, but apparently this machine is steroidal, so results may be better than that of, say, a Frigidaire DW, which uses the same principle for its upper rack (or at least it did when I owned one a few years back...)
I would LOVE to have one of these Miele machines. I'm the textbook-case customer for it. I do a lot of entertaining and would benefit from a machine in which plates, flatware and glasses can be washed in 10 minutes.
However, I do not have space in my fusebox for two 200-volt lines. Nor do I have $5,000.
Buzzzzzz: Dream over!
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Who is going to be the first one in the group to purchase one of big bad boys LOL.
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I did play with it at Basco where they have one live
I fell in LOVE wth it almost a year ago. When I move to my new house, I would consider it. My sales person, when I broached the idea with him, said I could get as much dishwasher with a domestic model that would be fine for my needs, belive it or not wants to talk me out of it. At the moment, it is all hypothetical any way. I have to wait to move, it is a pretty serious hook up, plus they are loud machines compared to the ultra quiet units that they have now. It is funny, the program indicator counts up instead of down. I have a thing for commercial things, I always have.
I fell in LOVE wth it almost a year ago. When I move to my new house, I would consider it. My sales person, when I broached the idea with him, said I could get as much dishwasher with a domestic model that would be fine for my needs, belive it or not wants to talk me out of it. At the moment, it is all hypothetical any way. I have to wait to move, it is a pretty serious hook up, plus they are loud machines compared to the ultra quiet units that they have now. It is funny, the program indicator counts up instead of down. I have a thing for commercial things, I always have.
Keeping in mind that true commercial dishwashers mainly finish the job previously done by hand washing. One wonders how well this uber-sized dishwasher would do with a Consumer's Report type test. You know, packed full of grossly filthy dishes (and not just with sauce,but really tough foods like oatmeal, rice, etc),in only 10 minutes.
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For Chr**t's Sake!
"If Miele thought Amercians objected to having one 220v power line installed (where one did not already exsist)for laundry appliances, it is going to take some doing to for the same market to have TWO 220v/30amp lines installed in their kitchen."
Why the hell then don't they or LG start marketing(as I've asked for a million times)a large capacity front loader that runs on 220V so I can have my 200 F water when I want it?
No one ever listens to me. I'll just go back to eating rocks.
"If Miele thought Amercians objected to having one 220v power line installed (where one did not already exsist)for laundry appliances, it is going to take some doing to for the same market to have TWO 220v/30amp lines installed in their kitchen."
Why the hell then don't they or LG start marketing(as I've asked for a million times)a large capacity front loader that runs on 220V so I can have my 200 F water when I want it?
No one ever listens to me. I'll just go back to eating rocks.
Launderess, you're probably right about the need to pre-rinse dishes going into this machine. There's no way it can clean dried-on gunk in a 10-minute cycle. It will also be fairly useless for unscrubbed pots/pans.
I guess that's why it's considered an adjunct to, and not a replacement for, a regular dishwasher.
I guess that's why it's considered an adjunct to, and not a replacement for, a regular dishwasher.
Miele and others still have large sized front loaders that run on 220v power, just they are all part of the commercial range. Get yourself a Miele "Little Giant" or some such and you can boil wash large loads until the cows come home.
Seriously, the market on both sides of the pond for any sized washing machine that goes above 180F, or even 140F is gradually fading. Simply put, not many textiles sold today can withstand repeated or in some cases one, boil wash.
Henkel, did research several years ago for it's top brand, Persil; and found the average wash temp for European households has dropped down to 100F to 120F, with more and more homes doing 85F. There simply isn't that great a demand out there for boiling laundry. Today's modern detergents and oxygen bleaches sold in Europe clean, whiten, brighten and sanitise just as well at 120F to 140F as 200F.
As for this large Miele commercial dishwasher, one is going to need a good supply of storage and prep areas for all those racks and things, not to mention a place to set up loads so things can go at a rapid pace. Think one model shows some sort of storage underneath the unit, but still.
Miele showrooms often have cooking events, maybe one day there will be one of these units set up, so people can see how well it does with an average family's dinner and prep stuff in just 10 minutes.
Have a strong hunch the ten minute cycle is one of those things that comes with an (*), meaning it is really only good for lightly dirty dishes or only glassware. Then again suppose if one blasted a very highly concentrated water and detergent solution heated to near boiling, it might get the job done.
Seriously, the market on both sides of the pond for any sized washing machine that goes above 180F, or even 140F is gradually fading. Simply put, not many textiles sold today can withstand repeated or in some cases one, boil wash.
Henkel, did research several years ago for it's top brand, Persil; and found the average wash temp for European households has dropped down to 100F to 120F, with more and more homes doing 85F. There simply isn't that great a demand out there for boiling laundry. Today's modern detergents and oxygen bleaches sold in Europe clean, whiten, brighten and sanitise just as well at 120F to 140F as 200F.
As for this large Miele commercial dishwasher, one is going to need a good supply of storage and prep areas for all those racks and things, not to mention a place to set up loads so things can go at a rapid pace. Think one model shows some sort of storage underneath the unit, but still.
Miele showrooms often have cooking events, maybe one day there will be one of these units set up, so people can see how well it does with an average family's dinner and prep stuff in just 10 minutes.
Have a strong hunch the ten minute cycle is one of those things that comes with an (*), meaning it is really only good for lightly dirty dishes or only glassware. Then again suppose if one blasted a very highly concentrated water and detergent solution heated to near boiling, it might get the job done.
