mike
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I was wondering if I could hook a 220V european Miele dishwasher to US 220V power. I have done this with a Delonghi stove but was not sure about this unit or if it had been done.
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Is it a European Miele built for Euro voltage or was it sold here as a 240 volt dishwasher? If I remember right when they first came out in the 80's here in the States they were 240 volt. One thing you should check is it 50hz or 60hz for the frequency...
MIELE 220 VOLT 50 HZ DISHWASHERS
The european versions should work on 240 volt power 60hz power, and the nice thing is that the main pump will run 15% faster and the water heater should also put out a little more heat, maybe the darned thing could actually wash dishes LOL. I usually don't work on Miele appliances but yesterday I checked out a Miele model G870 SC thats maybe 5 years old for a very good customer. Two years ago I put a complete main pump & motor assembly in this machine at a cost to the customer of almost $500. Yesterday I found the motor is stalled again and may require another $500 repair. Needless to say she is not going to do it again, a new KM ultra wash standard tub machine will be installed in the next week or so at a lower cost than repairing this thing again. If anyone wants the old one get in touch, it has a beautiful SS front and built in water softener and still has a mechanical timer. Otherwise it will be recycled.
The european versions should work on 240 volt power 60hz power, and the nice thing is that the main pump will run 15% faster and the water heater should also put out a little more heat, maybe the darned thing could actually wash dishes LOL. I usually don't work on Miele appliances but yesterday I checked out a Miele model G870 SC thats maybe 5 years old for a very good customer. Two years ago I put a complete main pump & motor assembly in this machine at a cost to the customer of almost $500. Yesterday I found the motor is stalled again and may require another $500 repair. Needless to say she is not going to do it again, a new KM ultra wash standard tub machine will be installed in the next week or so at a lower cost than repairing this thing again. If anyone wants the old one get in touch, it has a beautiful SS front and built in water softener and still has a mechanical timer. Otherwise it will be recycled.
Combo me thinks that Miele dishwasher is a tad older than 5 years...more like 10-15 years old. I am wonder why her pump fails...is she using the machine every week or just once in a blue moon? Something to ponder...
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...or maybe it's just a crap machine.
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Mike I am sure that model is older than 5 years our customer bought it brand new at an appliance distributor that sells overstocks and last years models etc. Earlier this summer we removed another Miele DW that was less than 5 years old that the factory service said NOT REPAIRABLE it also had a locked up main pump and motor. That one I gave to Bob of Hollywood along with a Miele cond dryer and Miele FL washer and he got them all running. I do think the Mieles are pretty well made but they are too much like Audis and Mercedes Benz cars for me I am not willing to spend the amount of money they want for parts and they are far more difficult to work on. The DW was a ridiculous amount of work to install the replacement pump and that was after you had to uninstall the whole machine and turn it on its side. I am not a big fan of any European dishwashers I have used they are generally too small inside, the racks don't allow random loading so pots & pans etc are very hard to wash, to say nothing of the nasty stinky mess that stays in the sump and filter area after a cycle.
Mike I am sure that model is older than 5 years our customer bought it brand new at an appliance distributor that sells overstocks and last years models etc. Earlier this summer we removed another Miele DW that was less than 5 years old that the factory service said NOT REPAIRABLE it also had a locked up main pump and motor. That one I gave to Bob of Hollywood along with a Miele cond dryer and Miele FL washer and he got them all running. I do think the Mieles are pretty well made but they are too much like Audis and Mercedes Benz cars for me I am not willing to spend the amount of money they want for parts and they are far more difficult to work on. The DW was a ridiculous amount of work to install the replacement pump and that was after you had to uninstall the whole machine and turn it on its side. I am not a big fan of any European dishwashers I have used they are generally too small inside, the racks don't allow random loading so pots & pans etc are very hard to wash, to say nothing of the nasty stinky mess that stays in the sump and filter area after a cycle.
Or Maybe...
Its customer misuse!!!
Hi John, love your tell it like it is talk...at least you see it all first hand...LOL I`m sure its always gonna be you stick to yours and we`ll stick to what we are used to...
NOWTHEN...any ideas why the motor & pump would seize in that timescale??
would you know if they used the salt softener on these machines??
Intreagued, Mike
Its customer misuse!!!
Hi John, love your tell it like it is talk...at least you see it all first hand...LOL I`m sure its always gonna be you stick to yours and we`ll stick to what we are used to...
NOWTHEN...any ideas why the motor & pump would seize in that timescale??
would you know if they used the salt softener on these machines??
Intreagued, Mike
"I am not a big fan of any European dishwashers I have used they are generally too small inside, the racks don't allow random loading so pots & pans etc are very hard to wash, to say nothing of the nasty stinky mess that stays in the sump and filter area after a cycle. "
I'm only speaking from actual experience, but it must be a strange anomaly for in 5 years of my parents having our Miele DW and the 15 years or so of various other Euro brands, we've never had a real problem, the Miele is running as great as it did from day 1, no smell from food residues - but then all scraps are scraped into the bin - and although probably slightly smaller than American dishwashers we can fit a lot in, in very random configurations. Not just that but everything that goes in, no matter how dirty comes clean, only instance we had of dishes not coming clean in this dishwasher was when we used Lidl dishwasher tabs which we soon stopped using...
I'm sure there's plenty of people across Europe who can agree and have no problems with various brands of Euro dishwashers, yes it's perhaps a slightly differnet way of doing things but it certainly isn't any worse.
Just saying
Jon
I'm only speaking from actual experience, but it must be a strange anomaly for in 5 years of my parents having our Miele DW and the 15 years or so of various other Euro brands, we've never had a real problem, the Miele is running as great as it did from day 1, no smell from food residues - but then all scraps are scraped into the bin - and although probably slightly smaller than American dishwashers we can fit a lot in, in very random configurations. Not just that but everything that goes in, no matter how dirty comes clean, only instance we had of dishes not coming clean in this dishwasher was when we used Lidl dishwasher tabs which we soon stopped using...
I'm sure there's plenty of people across Europe who can agree and have no problems with various brands of Euro dishwashers, yes it's perhaps a slightly differnet way of doing things but it certainly isn't any worse.
Just saying
Jon
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Perhaps we all need to see first hand the construction of such a Miele device. Then just maybe one can determine the reason for the locked motor, and why their parts have to cost 1 arm + 2 legs + 3 toes. John, if no one claims this machine, please save it for me->it will be a good candidate to bust open and analyze.
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hmmmm
"I am not a big fan of any European dishwashers I have used they are generally too small inside, the racks don't allow random loading so pots & pans etc are very hard to wash, to say nothing of the nasty stinky mess that stays in the sump and filter area after a cycle"
Funny how what we are used to has such a big influence on our preferences.
Personally I'm not a fan of american dishwashers in general, with their hot fill that seems to set food onto dishes, nastly plastic, or enamel interiors, heated dry cycles that bake food onto dishes and the lack of water softner, meaning phosphates or heavily phosphated detergent are required in areas with hard water.
Each to their own though! Strange that this Miele dishwasher failed at such a young age. Would expect, like Mike, it was more owner misuse than anything else.
Matt
"I am not a big fan of any European dishwashers I have used they are generally too small inside, the racks don't allow random loading so pots & pans etc are very hard to wash, to say nothing of the nasty stinky mess that stays in the sump and filter area after a cycle"
Funny how what we are used to has such a big influence on our preferences.
Personally I'm not a fan of american dishwashers in general, with their hot fill that seems to set food onto dishes, nastly plastic, or enamel interiors, heated dry cycles that bake food onto dishes and the lack of water softner, meaning phosphates or heavily phosphated detergent are required in areas with hard water.
Each to their own though! Strange that this Miele dishwasher failed at such a young age. Would expect, like Mike, it was more owner misuse than anything else.
Matt
According to a Miele repairman a common reason for the recirculation pump freezing up is prerinsing. Miele circulation pumps need the grease from the dishes, if the dishes get prerinsed all the time the pump will freeze eventually.
I prefer a European dishwasher too. My fifteen year old AEG dishwasher has a stainless steel interior, makes only 45dB noise and I find it easier to load that a lot of the American dishwashers I have seen.
It's partly a difference in dinnerware we use. Lots of plates I have used were much thicker than the average European stuff. I didn't like the straight up standing tines in some American dishwashers.
I prefer a European dishwasher too. My fifteen year old AEG dishwasher has a stainless steel interior, makes only 45dB noise and I find it easier to load that a lot of the American dishwashers I have seen.
It's partly a difference in dinnerware we use. Lots of plates I have used were much thicker than the average European stuff. I didn't like the straight up standing tines in some American dishwashers.
I have a Miele dishwasher and I dont encounter any of what you stated Combo. I do random load and pots and pans can be loaded in both racks..randomly. It also holds alot of dishes and I dont find the capacity any smaller than an American dishwasher. But as far as servicing...I will have to give it to you for that since one does have to take the machine out of the cabinet and place on the side just to get to the pumps/motors. I have had my machine now for 3+ years and not one issue. She runs like the first day I got it. I will never ever buy an American built dishwasher again. Once you go Miele you dont go back.
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to say nothing of the nasty stinky mess that stays in the su
Methinks that is classed as operator error. You're supposed to scrape the worst off, then place in the machine.
No problems with our european machines here, either.
Methinks that is classed as operator error. You're supposed to scrape the worst off, then place in the machine.
No problems with our european machines here, either.
I owned (and still own) many Miele dishwashers and never found a stuck motor. Maybe the problem is just the impeller stuck with some food particle. The impeller can be easily removed and replaced without changing all the motor assembly
MIELE DW MAIN PUMPS
Mike the customer with two pump failures did not use the water softener feature. I showed her how apron the installation of the first replacement pump but when I rechecked the machine with its 2nd stuck motor-pump I found she never used it. The other Miele DW also had a stuck seal that was freed and given to Bob of Hollywood, these problems may have had to do with use conditions. Louis you make an excellent point about the possible harm to the dishwasher when oils etc are rinsed off dishes prior to being loaded into the DW. I have always said the worst thing you can do to ANY dishwasher is to pre-rinse the dishes, the oils help protect and prolong the life pump seals plastic & rubber parts and the dishes them selves. The sugars are natural water softeners and the food acids [ orange juice , tomato products ] help prevent and remove rust stains etc on the machine and dishes.
Mike the customer with two pump failures did not use the water softener feature. I showed her how apron the installation of the first replacement pump but when I rechecked the machine with its 2nd stuck motor-pump I found she never used it. The other Miele DW also had a stuck seal that was freed and given to Bob of Hollywood, these problems may have had to do with use conditions. Louis you make an excellent point about the possible harm to the dishwasher when oils etc are rinsed off dishes prior to being loaded into the DW. I have always said the worst thing you can do to ANY dishwasher is to pre-rinse the dishes, the oils help protect and prolong the life pump seals plastic & rubber parts and the dishes them selves. The sugars are natural water softeners and the food acids [ orange juice , tomato products ] help prevent and remove rust stains etc on the machine and dishes.
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I have had my current Miele DW since June 2006, no problems with it. Had my previous one for 10 years - no problems with that one either. It was replaced by my newer one during a kitchen redo. I never pre-rinse anything and I don't have any trouble with smells inside the machine. It is working very well with the new non phosphate DW detergents. I always keep salt in the water softener and let it do it's thing. I think it must be removed and turned on it's side because of the sealed drip pan that has a water sensor to detect internal leaking.
There are also components on the right and left sides of the machine such as the water flow path controller that contains the water softener and mixes hard and soft water together for certain cycles, and on the upper right side of the machine is where the soil sensor is located.
There are also components on the right and left sides of the machine such as the water flow path controller that contains the water softener and mixes hard and soft water together for certain cycles, and on the upper right side of the machine is where the soil sensor is located.
Our G2220 is 5 years old now and so far the main repair has been when Miele replaced the drying fan assembley outside of warranty for free.
That was a full tear down to get to it and I was amazed by how big the fan actually is (Think two Squirrel cages from a maytag dryer side by side)
There seem to have been lots of 5yo version of the machine in the link come up on ebay, with pump and electronics failure, but I havent seen any really from higher up in the model line.
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That was a full tear down to get to it and I was amazed by how big the fan actually is (Think two Squirrel cages from a maytag dryer side by side)
There seem to have been lots of 5yo version of the machine in the link come up on ebay, with pump and electronics failure, but I havent seen any really from higher up in the model line.
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mike
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Thanks about the 220. Info. I will try it.
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