jerrod6
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Malcolm - Any updates on your problem?
Miele Dishwasher
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pierreandreply4
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or you could clean your dishwasher with some finsish diswasher cleaner thats what i use when i have to clean my dishwasher and its a kenmore talltub
mrb627
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Well...
I have run through about 11 cycles with the Finish tabs. Little has changed in the haze. Thinking about picking up some lemi shine and giving that a try.
I will note that changing the detergent setting to tabs on my dw has extended wash time between 20 and 30 minutes per run.
Malcolm
I have run through about 11 cycles with the Finish tabs. Little has changed in the haze. Thinking about picking up some lemi shine and giving that a try.
I will note that changing the detergent setting to tabs on my dw has extended wash time between 20 and 30 minutes per run.
Malcolm
jerrod6
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I use quantum tabs, finish powerball and even the old ElectraSol tabs with phosphate all the time but don't bother to change the detergent setting. don't see much difference in cleaning performance with the tab setting, but I have an older LaPerla
Is this haze something that can be wiped off with your hand?
Is this haze something that can be wiped off with your hand?
mrb627
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Haze
No, the haze cannot be wiped off by hand. Whatever it is, it is in the Stainless Steel finish. If you wet the surface, the haze vanishes. But once it dries, the haze is right back where it was.
Haven't had the chance to pick up some Lemi-Shine. Meant to do that this weekend, but it wasn't on the grocery list and I forgot it.
Malcolm
No, the haze cannot be wiped off by hand. Whatever it is, it is in the Stainless Steel finish. If you wet the surface, the haze vanishes. But once it dries, the haze is right back where it was.
Haven't had the chance to pick up some Lemi-Shine. Meant to do that this weekend, but it wasn't on the grocery list and I forgot it.
Malcolm
Haze
is it possibly the rinse agent? Have noticed similar hazing on hobart push throughs ...!
is it possibly the rinse agent? Have noticed similar hazing on hobart push throughs ...!
rayjay
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Liquid Bar Keepers Friend
Malcolm, You may also want to try Liquid Bar Keepers Friend. I have a Franke double sink. This is what they recommend to keep shiny.
Ray
Malcolm, You may also want to try Liquid Bar Keepers Friend. I have a Franke double sink. This is what they recommend to keep shiny.
Ray
jerrod6
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Does you model have the water softener? If so when was the last time it performed the regeneration step?
mrb627
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Water Softener
Yes. My machine is an Excella. I am not sure when it did the regenration step. How can I determine that?
Malcolm
Yes. My machine is an Excella. I am not sure when it did the regenration step. How can I determine that?
Malcolm
passatdoc
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Malcolm. I have a Bosch with SS interior. I use Finish powerball tabs. Have never noticed a white haze. However, once a quarter I descale my machine with 1/3 cup citric acid powder and a hot wash. I think this is similar to using vinegar without the odor. 
My machine is ten years old and the interior sparkles like new.
My machine is ten years old and the interior sparkles like new.
laundromat
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If you are pre rinsing your dishes, you need to stop. The chemicals in dishwasher detergents need protean to work properly.If they don't get it, they try to eat away at plastic and rubber parts leaving a residue film on dishes and glassware more noticeable on the latter.I found Cascade to be the worst dishwasher detergent regarding film residue on dishes and glasses.
mrb627
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Prerinse not
I haven't prerinsed in well over 15 years.
Malcolm
I haven't prerinsed in well over 15 years.
Malcolm
mrb627
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LemiShine
Well, after a few weeks of running the Finish tabs, I gave up on them resolving the haze on my machine. Picked up some LemiShine at the market yesterday and did a maintenance wash last night as instructed on the package. That did the trick. Haze was virtually undetectable. Expect it to be completely gone over the next few washes.
Malcolm
Well, after a few weeks of running the Finish tabs, I gave up on them resolving the haze on my machine. Picked up some LemiShine at the market yesterday and did a maintenance wash last night as instructed on the package. That did the trick. Haze was virtually undetectable. Expect it to be completely gone over the next few washes.
Malcolm
passatdoc
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KA scale issues (my friends' machine, not mine)
what's in it? a mild acid? I wonder if citric acid would have done the trick. I descale my washer and dishwasher four times a year with 1/4-1/3 cup of citric acid powder. My main objective is primarily descaling of the pump and plumbing inside the machine, and secondarily to shine up the SS interior, though to be honest I never get any visible residue or scale inside the machine (Bosch).
Oddly enough, I have friends in the same town (same water system) with a high end KA, three years old maybe, and they always seem to have scale in their SS interior. They chose KA over Bosch because of KA's food disposer; at the time of purchase, they still had three kids at home, though today only one is still in high school. However, their old, poorly performing DW was so bad that they had to pre-rinse everything, so I doubt if the KA's disposer even gets all that much business. But I think a concern was if the kids threw in dishes that weren't scraped or pre-rinsed (never happens, mom pre-rinses EVERYTHING).
They gave up using Finish tabs because their detergent dispenser door wouldn't always close securely (tabs were too thick for door to close) and I think are using liquid. I advised them to use powder over liquids if the tabs didn't fit, but I think they use liquid (and they recently gave me three giant Costco canisters of Finish tabs which they can't use). Their DW always has scale on the interior, even with descaling with citric acid (I gave them a container of it as a thank you for the Finish canisters). Their dishes do come out clean. I am not sure if they use JetDry but I think they do use it. I can't figure out though why their interior always looks terrible, even after the end of a cycle.
what's in it? a mild acid? I wonder if citric acid would have done the trick. I descale my washer and dishwasher four times a year with 1/4-1/3 cup of citric acid powder. My main objective is primarily descaling of the pump and plumbing inside the machine, and secondarily to shine up the SS interior, though to be honest I never get any visible residue or scale inside the machine (Bosch).
Oddly enough, I have friends in the same town (same water system) with a high end KA, three years old maybe, and they always seem to have scale in their SS interior. They chose KA over Bosch because of KA's food disposer; at the time of purchase, they still had three kids at home, though today only one is still in high school. However, their old, poorly performing DW was so bad that they had to pre-rinse everything, so I doubt if the KA's disposer even gets all that much business. But I think a concern was if the kids threw in dishes that weren't scraped or pre-rinsed (never happens, mom pre-rinses EVERYTHING).
They gave up using Finish tabs because their detergent dispenser door wouldn't always close securely (tabs were too thick for door to close) and I think are using liquid. I advised them to use powder over liquids if the tabs didn't fit, but I think they use liquid (and they recently gave me three giant Costco canisters of Finish tabs which they can't use). Their DW always has scale on the interior, even with descaling with citric acid (I gave them a container of it as a thank you for the Finish canisters). Their dishes do come out clean. I am not sure if they use JetDry but I think they do use it. I can't figure out though why their interior always looks terrible, even after the end of a cycle.
Have them try Lemmi Shine. They may have to run successive cycles to get all of it cleaned out. I have the Kenmore Elite version of their KA and I run Lemmi Shine through mine abut every 4 to 6 months. Not a problem and I have hard water here too.
mysteryclock
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Lemi-shine is pretty much concentrated citric acid. The old "Tang" trick to clean your dishwasher also relies on the citric acid in it to do the work. We have rock-hard water here in TN and Lemi-shine always gets all the filmy buildup off the DW itself and the glasses / SS flatware if it has managed to get on them.
Now, that being said, if you plan on using Lemi-shine with every load you need to be EXTRA careful to never, *ever* put anything with a porcelain finish in with the LS, or it'll be ruined. I found that out the hard way when a little LS (along with a regular DW tab) turned the outside of our lovely & shiny blue Le Creuset oval roaster completely flat matte. Oddly, the inside was fine but the outside had all the shine/polish etched away. It still works but I've yet to live that down. And yes, the LS package warns against this on the label in small print, so this was totally user error.
Now, that being said, if you plan on using Lemi-shine with every load you need to be EXTRA careful to never, *ever* put anything with a porcelain finish in with the LS, or it'll be ruined. I found that out the hard way when a little LS (along with a regular DW tab) turned the outside of our lovely & shiny blue Le Creuset oval roaster completely flat matte. Oddly, the inside was fine but the outside had all the shine/polish etched away. It still works but I've yet to live that down. And yes, the LS package warns against this on the label in small print, so this was totally user error.
passatdoc
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Thanks for the tips re: Lemi-Shine. Never heard of or have ever seen the product, maybe it's lurking on the hardware store's shelves and I just never noticed it. I gave them a large jar of citric acid and that did not help. I wonder if maybe their KA has a "matte" rather than shiny SS finish. I don't remember peeking at it when they first bought it, but as an occasional dinner guest in their home, I help with the dishes. At least the DW gets them clean.
I have found LS at my local grocery store as well as Wally World.
Lemi-Shine and Porcelain
Now you know why makers of porcelain on steel washing machine tubs advised caution when using acidic substances including white vinegar in the laundry. IIRC such tubs were designed to withstand alkaline chemicals, which is natural since most laundry proudcts are base on the pH scale.
Now you know why makers of porcelain on steel washing machine tubs advised caution when using acidic substances including white vinegar in the laundry. IIRC such tubs were designed to withstand alkaline chemicals, which is natural since most laundry proudcts are base on the pH scale.
