Miele Dishwashers

[favorit]

Miele quality is the same 4 BOL and TOL models

Hi Ray,
with the price of the G2872xxx (LaPerla) you can buy nearly two Inspiras (G2182)....
No doubt, La Perla is glamorous : touchscreen, self opening and self closing door, 16 (sixteen!!) programmes (too many)....

An Inspira has all the key features/programmes , cleans/dryes as well as LaPerla and has the same built quality.
This doesn't apply to BOL Bosch (perhaps here in EU). BOL Bosches have a plastic tub ground matched with SS tub walls and ceiling, while MOL and TOL are full SS.
A BOL miele can even be cheaper than a MOL/TOL Bosch/Siemens but has a better quality built

If you often need fast washes, take into consideration a model (e.g. G2143) having the "Turbo". This option cuts washing times f###ing energy star codes - more water and pressure as old mieles

Hot water fill - check miele eurosites, they're pushing us to hot fill to save energy, in case of solar/gas heated hot water. Beyond energy saving, hot fill is better if your cold water is really cold : no danger of discoloured plastics

Anyway get a tall tub model : be sure of the "2" after the G (G2XXX)

Now I've an A.E.G...Favorit, cause 10 years ago miele didn't sell stainless steel door DW. Next one I'll go back to miele

@ Marco/Bewitched : what about the microwave/forced air oven over the G 696 ?

 

[favorit]

Ray, i apologize ...

but this is getting into a nice DW picture thread !!

My Oeko Favorit 6071 closed. Pity, this kitchen can't fit a talltub. Next one will be a G1???

 

[Hometechdoc]

La Perla in waiting

I have a La Perla in the garage waiting to be installed. Our new house has a MOL Bosch that is about six or seven years old and I am not impressed. I installed a Miele in my last house about ten years ago and loved it. Mieles are quiet, efficient, and do an amazing job. Like many of you, I put everything in with no prerinsing and don't run the machine until it is full. Our household is two active professionals who travel a great deal for our work, thus it is often one to two weeks between loads. Everything comes out sparkling.

 

[bewitched]

Hello!
Jon: the G1830 is installed in my house, the G690 is in the cabinet in the wood I do own with my hubby, the G591 is installed in my holiday house in Corsica. The G696 Sensorplus is in the house my hubby usually lives and the others (G647 plus,G595 and G45 are in storage). I would love to repair and "have a tour" with my Miele G45...

Favorit: The oven on the counter is a Miele M700. Is a real "three ovens in one". It has microwaves,cooks with forced air or with "static" heat and has the grill. Microwaves can be used in combination with any of the other cooking methods. I never found another compact oven like it and despite it is quite old it works perfectly. I also have three "microwave" ovens all Miele branded. I bought the first (M636) but it had problems with the door switch. I discovered it was not a genuine Miele product so I wrote a long letter to Miele in Germany complaining about it. I was contacted by a Miele engineer who explained me microwave ovens are too expensive to produce and prices would have been fairly high so they decided to outsource them. He offered to swap my oven with a new genuine one ( Supratronic M754) made when they still produced them. This is wonderful, a product you can say it is Miele at a glance. Unfortunately it didn't have the "normal heating", just microwaves and grill. I swapped the M636 anyway but we needed an oven with the "forced air heating" and after using the M754 for years we bought our current M637EC and I gave "the original" to my hubby for his home. The M637 is still outsourced (I guess by the Fagor-Brandt group) but seems to have a better reliability. The M637 is the last compact microwave oven also sporting "forced air heating", microwaves and grill Miele put on the market. The M 700 is an original Miele product.

 

[rayjay]

I would like to say Thank You to everyone who contributed to this thread, especially Mike, Chris, Marco, Jonathan, Favorit, and Allen. The pictures of all your dishwashers and kitchens are really nice.

Favorit......Don't worry about it being a picture thread. This is what I really wanted. Great job for starting it. Thank you so much for you input on these machines. I will compare the La Perla and Inspira.

It is so nice to see that most Europeans appreciate quality, especially the guys from Italy, Germany and the UK. I know these machines are quite expensive, but if they last long, they are worth it. Most Americans buy machines that barely last 3-5 years.

So....keep the Miele Glamour shots coming...... OR

if you have a dishwasher, (any brand that you like), post it here. Not just a Miele thread anymore..... lol

Ray

 

[lavamat_jon]

Ray - here's a link to a vid of our Miele dishwasher. Fairly average load for us - plates, glasses, cups, oven trays etc. No load is the same though as it is so damn flexible!

Excuse the clanging in the background - had jeans and a couple of belts in the tumble dryer!

Jon

 

[lavamat_jon]

Just for reference in my vid - the buzzing at 2.10 is the salt regenerating, at 2.27 the fill stops and the recirculation starts.

The vid shows how quiet it is, you can hear the television in the next room (coincidentally, at around 30 seconds you hear the Persil Small and Mighty advert).

Jon

 

[dblrinz]

Feed Back, Please

Though some time off so we can save, we are planning a kitchen renovation, currently the plan is to install 2 Kitchenaids or boschs due to the fact that when we entertain or have a simple family gathering it is at least 18 people. Would you recommend 1 Miele over two of any other brand? The plan is to replace the dual dishwashers with Mieles when the others give up the ghost...Thoughts?

 

[rayjay]

Kitchaid is not what they used to be. And although Bosch was rated number 1 by Consumer Reports, the users comments were not favorable at all. It only got a 2 1/2 star rating out of 5 by 39 users. I would go with the Miele.

 

[favorit]

18 people at least ?

with the G 8050 / 8051 / 8052 you'd need just one DW.
These are semi-commercial integrated models running @ 230V / 13 A. They run the fastest cycle within 23 mins (hot fill). The downside : they are available only in europe.

http://www.mieleprofessional.co.uk/gb/professional/product/92_698.htm

 

[dogboy44]

No wonder they are so clean

the cycle takes 2 1/2 hours! I thought our bosch was bad at 1 3/4

 

[favorit]

professional fresh water DW

in the US is available the G7856. Shortest wash cycle takes ten minutes (208/240 V , single phase 2x30 A)
These professional DW can have a variety of different lower/upper racks depending on your needs

Anyway the cheapest solution is made by two BOL domestic Inspiras or a MOL Diamante + a BOL Inspira

http://www.professionaldishwashing.com/model/dishwashers_19.html

 

[favorit]

Turbo - VarioSpeed - SpeedMatic

Dogboy, latest Bosch/Siemens have the VarioSpeed/SpeedMatic option to reduce up to 50% washing times.

The very same thing is called by Miele as Turbo.

This option can be selected in normal/sensor/pots'n'pan/eco cycles, so these endless cycles are reduced to a more reasonable 70 mins

The 2 models i've just posted take less than 40 min to run the longest cycle ... but are Energy Dust compliant ;-)

 

[logixx]

VarioSpeed is great.

I just ran a load in our Siemens: autoWash 131 - 149°F with VarioSpeed, 1/2 Load option and Sanitize. The dishwasher ran through a wash, a hot rinse, the sani-rinse and the drying cycle in just 71 minutes. And it was actually a full load - just used the 1/2 Load option to make it even faster.

 

[mrcleanjeans]

Pardon this question,didn't Miele produce the concentration camp ovens? This has always bothered me,but I'd like clarity on the issue. Thanks.

 

[bewitched]

Hi Mr Clean Jeans,
I'm afraid I didn't understand your question. What is a concentration camp oven?

 

[appnut]

concentration camp oven

The ovens used in Nazi Concentration camps to destroy dead bodies.

 

[launderess]

Topf and Sons built the cremation ovens at Buchenwald and Auschwitz.

 

[lavamat_jon]

Pardon this question,didn't Miele produce the concentrat

What relevance does this have?

This is a dishwasher thread... please do not try and degrade the subject. Many companies in Nazi Germany were forced to do what the Nazi's want to or face being put in the camps themselves... what other option would you have?

Let sleeping dogs lie and let's get back to dishwashers...

 

[bewitched]

For the heaven's sake! I didn't understand! I'm a real nut! I was thinking about some fancy feature of Miele ovens...I wasn't mean to be disrespectful!

 

[mrcleanjeans]

But those dishwashers are made by Miele, therefore the question is a legitimate one. I'm not excusing or accusing, just asking about it. Thanks for the answers people.

 

[bewitched]

I never heard such a thing! I hope they have nothing to do with those ovens. History tells Miele founders created a place where workers loved to stay and many other facilities for them but who knows? War times were very hard times...

 

[askomiele]

Oké miele during war-time

produced untill halfway 1940'ties the 'normal' products like washer, mangles, but also stairs and even bikes... Then they where forced to change to war-time products like small stoves to steam food for the animals,manly potatoes (untill 1941), and handchariots for the military and civilmarket, but also pieces for planes (due to their know-how in wood and metalconstructions).

Besides all that, what is the shortest program on your miele dishwasher? Mine is Normal 50°C = 70 min but everything is spotless!

 

[neptuneguy27]

Shortest Program

On my Miele is "Express" at 36 minutes. Haven't used it yet to wash any dishes but did run it once last week when I spilled rinse aid all over the door.

Chris

 

[dogboy44]

yes we have the cycle reducer "opti-saver"

on the bosch it goes from 108 min down to 71 and I do use it, but if it is a really full load (Bob) it needs the full time.

 

[gregorps]

My bottom of the line Miele ...

Hey guys -- new here --- dropped in for a long time to admire your collections and knowledge. Decided it was time to be counted ... My Miele started life two houses ago and was white control panel with wood front ... I bought new house with new KitchenAid Superba (Whirlpool/KitchenAid == garbage) After 1 week I went back to the old house swapped out the old Miele for new KitchenAid ... then called Miele and found out I could buy new stainless steel control panel as well as new front panel ... bingo! new looking machine for $350. Miele said they build the machines to last 30 years so ALL appearace items can be changed out ... If I wasn't already sold, I called service recently and the tech in New Jersey was able to run a full chekout of my machine in Palm Springs CA over the phone and we determined that: a. The inflow filter was clogged or b. The fill sensor needed replacement. (It was 'a' and repaired in 15 minutes). Amazing -- I would never buy anything else ... by the way have no problems with my wine glasses (basic Williams-Sonoma 9" tall) besides Miele offers more racks and accessories than Kirby has attachments! lol ....

By the way .... It was Krups that built the 'ovens' in WWII - so I guess you throw away your coffee pot and keep the DW....

 

[gregorps]

and...

Interior ...

 

[mrcleanjeans]

Good to know Greg. Thanks. Wouldn't buy Krups anyway, overpriced for what you get.

 

[rayjay]

I guess we are pretty lucky in NJ. WE have the showroom in Princeton, and can get any Miele appliance quickly. Although, I believe NY is the same.

Gregory, That was quite impressive that the tech was able to do over the phone. I know in our area that a tech can come out to your home for this.

 

[drhardee]

I have the immediate predecessor (2005) to the "LaPerla", the G898SCI "Premiere Plus". Back in 2006, it retailed for $2,395, but I purchased a end-of-model-year floor model for $1,295. It's been nothing but wonderful. It's needed one repair which was handled under warranty. It does seem to clean better with Miele tablets, than some powders. The gel detergents make the unit create foam excessively it seems, so I avoid those.
I fully expect to get 20 years out of this unit!