Miele G2150 Diamante Dishwasher

[mrb627]

Finish Tabs

I have been using the Finish tabs with excellent results. I set the machine to the tabs setting and it increases the rinsing and omits the rinse aid dispenser. Fantastic!

Malcolm

 

[rp2813]

Thanks for all of the excellent input.  I'll be ratcheting back the dosage for sure.  No more in the pre-wash cup and only to the lowest mark for the main wash.  Yay!  My phosphated powder will last longer!  Or do phosphates even matter with this machine?

 

Lesson learned with regard to appropriate contents when using the pots & pans cycle.

 

I don't currently use tabs but if I eventually do, my machine has no "tabs" setting and instead the user guide advises to set the rinse aid dispenser to zero.  Easy enough.

 

Vintage is cool to look at, but at the end of the day it has to be about results.  It's been two weeks almost to the minute since this machine was installed, and I think I can safely say I'm already spoiled.

 

[logixx]

Yes, these machines do use less water but also keep in mind that there is still grease that needs to be washed off the dishes. To me, less water only means a more concentrated grease solution. I tried less detergent in my water-efficient Bosch and I ended up with drops of grease in the sump after the final rinse.

I get the best results with Quantum tabs. I might even put a few drops of liquid dishwashing detergent on the door for the prewash - zero suds and keeps the grease from gunking up the drain hose etc. while the machine washes.

Used to put fancy Rosenthal glasses in with pots and pans on the autoHeavy cycle (up to 167F) all the time and never had problems with etching. Cheap glasses would etch over the years, though.

 

[nmassman44]

I usually tell the dishwasher what kind of detergent it will be using and I was surprised that the tech told me that...so I posed the question...the why give the customer the option in choosing between powder, gel, 2n1 tabs, 3n1 tabs when its too much of a dosage for the machine? He didnt know what to say. I still use the PowerBalls and the all in one Pacs from Cascade. They work and work well. Phosphated detergents the dishwasher loves.

 

[logixx]

Why the option?

1. Marketing. Some manufacturer came up with the idea to sell a machine with a tab option because detergent tabs outsell powders. So it only made sense, in the consumer's mind, to have a dishwasher that is optimized for tablets.

 

2. The x-in-one option, on some dishwashers, will decrease the amount of water taken in for the interim rinse, thus more rinse aid (surfactants) from the detergent can be carried over into the final rinse and won't get washed away. The final rinse it heated to a higher temp to increase drying effectiveness and the drying cycle is prolonged.

 

[aamassther]

I agree with nmassman. Mine loves phosphate powders best as well. I get perfect results on the most baked on stuff with Somat powder. Cascade complete phosphate free does fine on everyday loads. Surprisingly, the worst results with Quantum tabs. Which I liked best in the old Bosch.

 

[nmassman44]

Now I know that you said that the machine cant be "Bobloaded" here are a few pics of mine from tonight. I do realize that my lower rack is different from yours but you get the idea. I used Somat powder detergent and did not rinse at all...as you can tell. I will post pics of after the cycle is finished.

 

[nmassman44]

upper rack

 

[nmassman44]

top rack...now with this rack I group the silverware as you can see ..its a bit of work sorting but it makes for easy unloading and into the drawer easier when they are clean. My silverware has chunky handles and dont fit handles in and heads out. I load heads in...I hope that makes sense as thats the only way to explain it.

 

[nmassman44]

The cycle of choice is Normal. Now on this display it will show me estimated cycle time in this case 2 hrs and 2 mins. After the first intake of water the dishwasher will sense how hot the water is and how big the load is by how much water it takes to wet the load. It will add water to keep the pump from cavitating. I went into the cycle paramaters and used the more water setting which adds another 16 oz of water per fill. So that said after the first prewash the sensor system will either add time or reduce it. I have seen some Normal cycles take 2 hrs and 30 mins long to less than 1 hour and 35 mins at the least. [this post was last edited: 8/22/2013-17:52]

 

[nmassman44]

My gorgeous beauty. This dishwasher has been relatively easy to keep the outside clean. The panel is flat glass and no buttons to get in the way of cleaning the control. The stainless steel though is a bitch. One has to go with the grain and the upper control panel area show fingerprints very easily. But to me that is a non issue. It looks like it belongs in this spot and matches the countertop well. [this post was last edited: 8/22/2013-17:55]

 

[rp2813]

Thanks Mike!  Your machine does look beautiful, and like it belongs there.

 

I noticed the configuration of the bottom rack is different on yours, turned 90 degrees from how mine loads.  I'll be getting the hang of maximizing contents as I go along.  So far I haven't followed the instructions about placement of spoons with handles toward the center.  Everything is loaded with handles outward.  I don't see what difference it could make unless I had a lot of silverware to wash and reversing the spoons helped with maximizing space.

 

I'm contemplating a fairly light load for tonight or tomorrow night.  On Saturday I'm planning to use a wok that's been hanging above the stove for a very long time and has a sticky coating of grease all over it.  I'll have to wash the wok by hand because it's not dishwasher safe, but the lid is equally sticky and I'm sending that through the Miele.  I don't think it calls for the pots & pans cycle but there's only one way to find out!

 

[lightedcontrols]

That machine is a really great dishwasher. I've been selling several of those machines a week with absolutely no customer complaints at all. I wouldn't be surprised if you DID get 20 years or more of trouble free service out of it. Right now I would say it's the best on the market.

 

[rp2813]

Mark, thanks for that vote of confidence.  I hope you're right!

 

I did the wok lid load on the normal cycle and the lid came out still sticky on top.  I'm a little afraid to use the pots & pans cycle until I figure out the current draw.  The one time I used it thus far, I noticed a sort of musty smell in the under-sink cabinet and it seemed warm in there as well.  I traced the heat and odor (again, a musty/dusty smell, not an electrical smell) to the small dedicated breaker box that controls the outlet for the dishwasher.  The box contains an old school glass-encased 20-amp fuse, which was fairly hot to the touch. 

 

If anyone can advise on where I might find technical data, I'd appreciate it.  Clearly the pots & pans cycle makes regular, if not uninterrupted use of the heating element and seems to be stressing out the electrical supply.

 

[zipdang]

Under "Specifications" in the installation guide for your model it says: "The dishwasher comes equipped with a 4 ft (1.2 m) power cord with a molded plug for connection to 120 V, 60 Hz, 15 A grounded receptacle."

Does that help with regard to power draw? With regards to utilities usage it also says:

Electric: 0.01 - 1.23 kWh
Water: 1.3 - 6.3 gal (5 - 24 l)

If you don't already have the manual you can get a PDF of it from Miele.

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[jerrod6]

nmassman44

We have the same model Dishwasher - G2830 and I found your remarks about the normal cycle interesting since mine works completely different in this cycle. I think it must be software versions. On my Dw the Normal cycle is a dumb cycle so the cycle I usually use is the sensor cycle. By that I mean that Normal will make absolutely no adjustments to the cycle at all unless there are differences in incoming water temperature and then it will do a hold until the water reaches temp. I tested this by washing 1 clean dinner plate. It washed this clean plate for 65 minutes so mine is not using the soil sensor in this cycle at all. When it got to the rinse I canceled the cycle. With the sensor cycle it will adjust the one pre rinse from 13 minutes down to 8 for small loads, the main wash time will vary between 18 minutes for light soil to up to 76 for heavy and it may do 3 rinses for heavy soil. Today my total cycle time was 1 hour 41 minutes. Also Normal on my machine will take more water than any other cycle except rinse/hold. I can tell this because of the length of the water intake time and I also checked the water level in the machine. Normal brings the water almost up to the edge of the door and after the fill there is no other attempt to adjust the amount of water. Other cycles have the water only covering the filter screen and the water is no where near the door, and it will add a bit of water or not for the first 3 minutes of each fill if needed.

The other thing with mine is that the cycle named(I think it is economy) uses a lower temperature than the rest but will do 3 rinses if the dishes are dirty..but the manual never mentions this at all.

I got my machine in June of 2006 so I think your Dw has a newer version of the software than mine. I Wish my normal worked like yours, so my usual cycles are Sensor or water save.

I have a water hardness between 8 and 14 Grains per gallon, but I use different detergents each week. This week I used Finish powder - good results - next week I am using Miele tabs(the older ones with phosphates), and the next week I will use Finish Quantum, and next I will use Cascade Paks. All of these do a good job so I rotate each week.

I have the detergent adjustment but just leave it at Normal since I always want it to dispense rinse aid. I didn't know there might be changes in the amount of rinse water taken in so perhaps I will try the tab setting to see what happens.

Liked your pictures of loads - yes Miele Dw can be bob loaded!

I don't think you can go wrong with any Miele DW. Some of their new washers sold in N/A maybe be another story though.

 

[jerrod6]

rp2813

Great DW and I expect you will get many great years out of it. I've had mine for 7, cleans anything I throw at it and doesn't seem to matter what detergent I use.
Like others have mentioned I wouldn't put glasses in when you do a pots and pan load. My previous Miele Dw had the temperatures listed on the control panel and it stated that pots and pans was done at 170F, so I reckon that yours is using this same temp.

When I do pots and pans or other loads with high temps I first do a load of only glasses. I use the short wash and it works great for glasses and lasts about 25 minutes.

Have fun with your new machine!

 

[jerrod6]

rp2813

One more thing....try the china crystal cycle on lightly soiled or small loads. It uses the soil sensor takes less time than normal and It works very well even if you are not washing china!

 

[nmassman44]

One thing with my dishwasher, I went into the "settings" where one can change the type of detergent etc, there is a setting for the sensor to turn it on or off. I have it turned on so its on every cycle, not just sensor cycle. I went into the "service mode" and went into Water Plus and have the More setting on. Jerrod you might want to see if you have that option for the sensor, it adjust every cycle and ensures proper washing. Mine also adjust at every water intake for the water softener. Our water runs about 10d to 11d in the summer and up to 13d in the winter. But not more than that.

 

[nmassman44]

One more thing before I forget is to make sure you go online to miele.com and register your machine. It saves time if you ever need service and they stand behind what they make. I am quite impressed by them and the level of service I got. The service charge was $180 and since my issue was fixed, the dishwasher has been flawless.