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" dryer only turned in one direction (?!??!?)"

This is a common occurrence these days. Bosch dryers apparently do the same. I too think it is utter madness.

Even so called 'reversing' models from the likes of Electrolux Group (Zanussi, AEG), only reverse for about 12 seconds. My twenty year old Zanussi dryer does this.

Gone are the days of equal bi-directional cycles.
 
Reversing Dryers

I have never seen any advantage in having a dryer reverse tumble, in every case in the US at least the few dryers that did reverse were always poorer performers compared to the great dryers that did not reverse.

If a dryer just tumbles in one direction it can have a better tumbling and air-flow pattern as evidenced in the best most produced dryer in the world, the 29" wide top filter Whirlpool built machines.

John L.
 
Ostensibly the reason is so that large items dont fold into a ball leaving the center wet.
Seems to work "pretty well" for my T1405.

for certain none of my old American gas dryers reversed and most did a pretty good job at drying.

- but I wonder who has actually tested this. I wonder why Miele ever bothered if the data shows it doesn't help? It's unlike the Germans to add complexity based on a guess- but it happens and they seem to have either changed their minds or decided it wasn't worth the cost - which doesn't mean it isn't a bit better.

Volume and popularity is no guarantee of performance and often more closely related to price: The Toyota Corolla is the best selling car in the world - does that make it the best car?

UD
 
Reversing

First of: If it's on industrial laundry equipment, it makes sense.

Once you hit a certain load to drum volume ratio, reversing is a need with big items. Thus US dryers don't generally use it (keep in mind that most US washer to dryer ratios are about 3cuft to 7cuft) and EU dryers tend to use it.
For the commercial side, this video puts it well (past one minute):


How much you need and can do it depends on a lot of stuff.

Most commercial dryers have seperate motors for fan and drum.
On their first generation of heatpump dryers, Miele carried that design over, but ELux did so as well.
That way, you could tumble however you wanted and did not have to care about airflow.

A lot of older dryers did 50/50 reversing to, but more or less were designed to handle the heater output on both directions of turning.

With the desire to bring heatpump dryer cost down, BSH coupled the fan to the drum motor, increased airflow as needed for heatpump dryers but did that by optimising the fan in one direction only, makeing the other direction basicly useless.
Thus, they just cut reversing.

The T1 dryer range and ELux now both employ sensing of tangeling and both the upcomming Miele and current ELux ranges will feature cycles specificly designed for bedding and/or comforters.

Our current dryer in the flat up north is an Arcrelik and barely reverses (about one turn every 10min).
It's big bar type lifters and intense airflow paired with 100% constant tumbling speed due to the inverter motor keep tangeling from happening.
ELux does something simmilar by using 3 instead of 2 lifters.
What you don't often realize is how tangeling occurs: If an item drops onto itself, those overlapping areas get lifted up together and fall earlier then the rest of the load, falling back again onto themselfes, over and over.
If a motor is not speed controlled and loaded down, the load falls even earlier due to a verry minor and short but existent speed fluctuation caused by the bigger weight concentration of the particular area in the load.
If a motor is verry precisley speed controlled, these speed fluctuations won't happen thus makeing tangeling less likely.

It's funny that I basicly had this EXACT argument with combo52 about a dozen times, explained him a dozen times why reversing on more compact machines makes sense, and he never even acknowledged that or shows the slightes bit of a try to give any reason based argument against my points.
 
Interesting find - pretty succinct. I doubt Unimac has this wrong.

proof would be founded upon multiple accurate data points - so far this is the 2nd 3rd party data point I've seen that backs your (and increasingly my own ) opinion on the subject.

The first being Miele bothered to put it into some models.

My 1405 rotates in fairly equal fashion on normal- on full load it rotates longer in one direction than the other - it still reverses but not as often.

UD
 
Some of the other T1 dryers

reversed on some cycles only
On the low energy cycles and shirts there was no reversing.
On the regular cycles there was.

I found king sheets balled in my old T4888c (with generous reversing) and in the T7944c. My solution was to add two towels because then it would rise up and tumble.
 
On another note, the cavalry arrived in the form of the twindos promo units.
Oddly shipped at two separate times.

The 2 I bought are trailing behind the free stuff.

First ones are about 60% full after one month at 18 and 15 MM settings.
Didn't count loads but that would be a nice feature to easily see the cycles.

I do have a kill-a-watt on it and last I looked the run cost was expected to be about 65 dollars a year.

UD

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the new old and the old new

The T1 heathpump I had reversed the drum movement just for few seconds if you used the “refresh” option. It only has a motor that does everything even move the fan that it is shaped to work turning only in one direction. At miele they told me this was done just to increase the energy efficiency class. Sheets dried inside of it where so much creased it was impossible to iron them! My old new heathpump dryer turns equally in both directions as it has a separate motor for the drum, for the air path and for cooling the compressor assembly. Uncle Dave, you could just clean the filter under the door but the machine just would turn for few minutes and stop again beeping loudly. I think they solved problem that affected early T1/W1 models. I saw both mine inside and i can say they are really robust as ever. I just hope my older models will last for a long long time till a new series will be released. I made a video of my WMV960 shaking, i’ll post it as soon as i find it.

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A tip on the filter cleaning.

Wash it out thoroughly under a warm tap (warm water is essential to dissolve any fabric softener or fine particles.

Gently (very gently) squeeze and shake dry.

Put the filter back in and select 20 mins warm air with the dryer completely empty (With clean lint filters)

The machine will dry out the filter very rapidly. I've been doing this since 2017 withoit any issues at all.

I had a BSH self cleaning system before and I far prefer this foam filter approach! The BSH clogged, despite the claims of self cleaning and it was impossible to plumb it out. I don't really see the point of emoting tanks by hand.

Tip on tangling sheets: I've found "gentle tumble" makes a huge difference.

From what I can see fitted sheets are just difficult in dryers generally.

I'm not finding that flat sheets and duvet covers tangle.
 
My toughest recurring load - 6-7 area rugs one being 5X2 and quite plush and absorbs lots of water

This would stymie my 1215 50% of the time and I'm at 5 for 5 on full spin outs with eth W1. I've also run this load with another area mat for the back shower- it was flawless.

The background rattle came after the pedestals- the machines a vault.

(yeah that's a squatty potty)



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We ended up getting the WWH860 washer and TWI180 dryer, plus pedestals and had them installed yesterday. UncleDave, we changed the twindos amount per what you changed yours too above and shall see if that works well for us too. Seems hard to tell so far, but we have only done two loads.

We are coming from a 4842 washer and T9822 gas dryer and early indications so far are that these could be better. The 4842 definitely seems quieter and much less vibration than the 4842 washer. We also expected the dryer to have much longer dry times, but so far the dry time seem very good and not much different. Still early though, so we shall see.

UncleDave or others any other tips that could be passed on to us? Definitely a lot more settings and choices from our last washer and dryer. They definitely are solid, nice looking appliances!
 
Not really any advice per se (I don't know enough after a 6 weeks or so to give any) - but I'd pay attention to the various weight each program is good for - you only have max weight available on a few cycles.

Is suspect your water hardness will have a lot to do with 18/15 ML respectively working well for you- but that setting works great for me.

On the wireless setup, I had to use is WPS on an apple requires you to log into airport utility and assign the machine as a printer.

Keep us updated on the dryer - and thanks for posting!

Uncle Dave
 
I put in the promotional order for the 6 month supply of Miele TwinDos on Saturday and they are already being delviered today. That is impressive! 3 business days to deliver.
 
My first load of Detergent lasted 2 months and my bleach lasted 2 months and 3 days.

I'm not certain this machine measures the amount remaining accurately, or is just a simply a counter.

It asked for a bleach cannister change at 10% and I have a fair amount remaining.

UD
 
If 10% was left, it is probably asking for the refill early so you have time to order it and get it delivered. I would check it and then keep trying to use it until I got as much as I could.
 
The one thing I constantly notice on this forum is Miele USA vs Miele in its home market in the EU seems to be night and day in terms of customer support.

Miele Ireland generally bend over backwards to help when something goes wrong and I have found that the main selling point to deal with them. Between being able to order small parts, accessories and consumables for a 25 year old vacuum without any fuss and at resononable price to giving me the mobile number of a regional manager when I was trying to get a kitchen installer to understand how to install the extractor hood correctly, they’ve been just exceptionally good at customer care.

I’ve also zero issue with getting their detergent packs and they’re not insanely expensive either. Order through their online store, delivered two days later from Germany.
 

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