supersurgilator
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For those that have a modern frontload washer, could you describe the cycle sequence for the regular cycle? I wondered if it does just one or 2 rinses. Also what brand of machine do you have?
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arbilab
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1998 is questionably 'modern' but it does 5 rinses counting the de-sudsing spray rinse during wash drain. There's an option to turn off one of the 4 fill rinses, it just keeps tumbling instead of drain/spin/refill. Frigiwhite, with clockwork control.
haxisfan
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Hi, I'm not sure whether you question is directed to the American owners only or anywhere in the world. As far as I've seen so far, washing machines seem to be generally fine-tuned in different ways for a particular given market.
My washer is fairly modern, it's a 'Hoover-Candy' from 2004 and it does 3 rinses on a normal cycle unless the load is very small (in that case it would do 2). Although later models were programmed differently. All the rinses are carried out with low/medium water level unless the machine oversuds during any of such rinses, in such case the rinse would be carried out with high water level.
Having said that there is an alternative cycle in which you can have 2 high water level rinses instead of 3 low water level ones. Some washers, such as 'Samsung', let you choose the number of rinses you want in a cycle from 1 to 5. Most washers (if not all) however, offer an extra rinse facility, so you can always amend the wash parameters to suit you needs. Some will carry on rinsing until the water is completely clear, others would add a set amount of rinses... 1 or 2, depending on the model.
A regular cycle nowadays can be interpreted as a 40 degree cotton cycle, as this is the most popular temperature over to this side of the globe (I'm ready to stand corrected here... guys please have your say), but almost all machines can run the same cycle with temperatures ranging from cold (15) to 90 degrees Celsius.
Are you considering buying a front loader?
My washer is fairly modern, it's a 'Hoover-Candy' from 2004 and it does 3 rinses on a normal cycle unless the load is very small (in that case it would do 2). Although later models were programmed differently. All the rinses are carried out with low/medium water level unless the machine oversuds during any of such rinses, in such case the rinse would be carried out with high water level.
Having said that there is an alternative cycle in which you can have 2 high water level rinses instead of 3 low water level ones. Some washers, such as 'Samsung', let you choose the number of rinses you want in a cycle from 1 to 5. Most washers (if not all) however, offer an extra rinse facility, so you can always amend the wash parameters to suit you needs. Some will carry on rinsing until the water is completely clear, others would add a set amount of rinses... 1 or 2, depending on the model.
A regular cycle nowadays can be interpreted as a 40 degree cotton cycle, as this is the most popular temperature over to this side of the globe (I'm ready to stand corrected here... guys please have your say), but almost all machines can run the same cycle with temperatures ranging from cold (15) to 90 degrees Celsius.
Are you considering buying a front loader?
mieleforever
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Hi we have a Miele, and I think it does three rinses, if however it detects that there is still more foam or suds, ( I noticed everybody here talks of suds, in south africa we regularly talk of foam) it will proceed with an additional rinse. It is a Miele 5740. and cottons will spin at 1400 rpm.
The two most important factors in providing good rinsing in a FL are the amount of water used and the quality of the extraction of water between water changes. FLs use a small amount of water, relative to the amount of textiles in the load so removing the detergent laden water from the previous bath is important so that the next rinse is not contaminated by too much left over water. The more water, the better the rinsing when combined with good extraction.
As far as I can determine, the Miele W1986 spins at up to 1000rpm after each water change if the distribution is optimal and slightly less than that if the load is not well balanced. The final top spin speed is 1200. It gives three rinses with water levels higher than the wash level when programmed for sensitive rinsing. Eddie out in SW Canada is responsible for securing the programming for three higher water level rinses from Miele Canada. Miele USA pretends that it does not exist. Like other "thinking" washers, if it cannot spin properly after the wash due to foam or an unbalanced load, it adds another deep rinse which takes care of any rinsing problem. All of my other FLs do at least 3 rinses with extraction between water changes. I do not know of any FL washer with just one rinse, although I can imagine it coming.
As far as I can determine, the Miele W1986 spins at up to 1000rpm after each water change if the distribution is optimal and slightly less than that if the load is not well balanced. The final top spin speed is 1200. It gives three rinses with water levels higher than the wash level when programmed for sensitive rinsing. Eddie out in SW Canada is responsible for securing the programming for three higher water level rinses from Miele Canada. Miele USA pretends that it does not exist. Like other "thinking" washers, if it cannot spin properly after the wash due to foam or an unbalanced load, it adds another deep rinse which takes care of any rinsing problem. All of my other FLs do at least 3 rinses with extraction between water changes. I do not know of any FL washer with just one rinse, although I can imagine it coming.
seeitrun2006
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Whirlpool Duet 2007 WFW9200
One main wash followed with two rinses. It also has the extra rinse option. This is on all wash cycles. We really like this machine. No repairs yet! (knock on wood)
One main wash followed with two rinses. It also has the extra rinse option. This is on all wash cycles. We really like this machine. No repairs yet! (knock on wood)
golittlesport
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2008 Frigidaire
Does three rinses on normal 45 minute cycle. You can add one more if you want.
Does three rinses on normal 45 minute cycle. You can add one more if you want.
I've got a 2011 BEKO WM5100W Front Loading Washer and here is the wash cycle on a normal wash:
Fill with water and washing powder
Rinse
Spin
Rinse
Spin
Add Softener
Turn a few times
And it manages to do all that in just a few millenniums.
Fill with water and washing powder
Rinse
Spin
Rinse
Spin
Add Softener
Turn a few times
And it manages to do all that in just a few millenniums.
German Duet aka Bauknecht big
Does two rinses like the American version. I can add one or two extra rinses, each adding 12 minutes.
Does two rinses like the American version. I can add one or two extra rinses, each adding 12 minutes.
franksdad
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2007 BOSCH Nexxt Premium
One wash and three rinses. Bleach is added to the machine during the first rinse if bleach is added to the dispenser leaving 2 clear rinses. I have "rinse plus" which adds a 4th rinse if you wish. I always use rinse plus, especially if I use bleach in my white clothes or towels. You know, now that I think about it my BOSCH may be a 2008. It, along with the matching dryer, were gifts from the Easter Bunny that year!
One wash and three rinses. Bleach is added to the machine during the first rinse if bleach is added to the dispenser leaving 2 clear rinses. I have "rinse plus" which adds a 4th rinse if you wish. I always use rinse plus, especially if I use bleach in my white clothes or towels. You know, now that I think about it my BOSCH may be a 2008. It, along with the matching dryer, were gifts from the Easter Bunny that year!
whirlcool
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How many machines don't do a spin between washing and rinsing? I've seen some that just drain the wash water and immediately start adding the rinse water without the drum moving.
ronhic
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2006 Italian made Electrolux/Zanussi/Westinghouse
It really depends on the programme. For a normal cottons wash there are 3 low-level rinses with interim spins. On short cottons there are 2 deeper rinses with interim spins.
I can add 2 more should it be required, but the interim spins are shorter and at lower revs, somewhat reducing the effectiveness of the extra rinses in my opinion.
It really depends on the programme. For a normal cottons wash there are 3 low-level rinses with interim spins. On short cottons there are 2 deeper rinses with interim spins.
I can add 2 more should it be required, but the interim spins are shorter and at lower revs, somewhat reducing the effectiveness of the extra rinses in my opinion.
aldspinboy
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Iv'e seen mostly all of the U.S. machines have two rinses in the normal cycle ..
Unless you chose Extra rinse.
The U.S. Bosch machine I have does 2 rinses on Normal.
4 to 5 rinses if it detects foeming.
Extra rinse brings 3 rinses.
Euro ..Asko on Normal 5 rinses.
Super quick wash 2 rinses.
There is a super rinse button which gives you 7 rinses.
Darren k.
Unless you chose Extra rinse.
The U.S. Bosch machine I have does 2 rinses on Normal.
4 to 5 rinses if it detects foeming.
Extra rinse brings 3 rinses.
Euro ..Asko on Normal 5 rinses.
Super quick wash 2 rinses.
There is a super rinse button which gives you 7 rinses.
Darren k.
supersurgilator
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Also on the few modeels that have a warm rinse are both rinses warm or just the final rinse.
seeitrun2006
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My Whirlpool duet
It spins in between wash and rinses. The only time it does not spin between wash and rinses is in the delicate or hand wash cycle then it spins only at the end. It also rinses in cold water only.
It spins in between wash and rinses. The only time it does not spin between wash and rinses is in the delicate or hand wash cycle then it spins only at the end. It also rinses in cold water only.
Typically, only the final rinse is warm.
dj-gabriele
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Typically, only the final rinse is warm.
On which machine? I've never seen a modern (less than 20 years) that does a warm rinse!
On which machine? I've never seen a modern (less than 20 years) that does a warm rinse!
Huebsch aka Speed Queen Cycle
I might as well chime in... BTW, All times are approximate.
On the normal cycle:
- Fill, then wash for about 25 minutes. Tumble each direction about 10 seconds each time with a 2 second pause.
- Drain and distribute.
- 3 pulse spins. 1 short (1 second), 1 medium (2 seconds), 1 long (3 seconds.)
- 1 5 minute rinse, same tumbling action as the wash.
- Drain and Distribute.
- 3 more pulse spins, just like the first three.
- 1 5 minute rinse. Just like the first rinse.
- Drain and Distribute.
- 3 more pulse spins, just like the second three.
- If extra rinse is not selected, machine goes into final spin. Otherwise, it does another 5 minute rinse, does a drain and distribute and then three more pulse spins.
- Final Spin, 2 minutes at 650 RPM, 2 more minutes at 1000 RPM if the tub is balanced, otherwise it continues spinning at 650 RPM.
I did notice at one point in time that after the pulse spins on an unbalanced load, the machine did another distribute before entering into the spin cycle.
The Delicate Cycle is identical to the regular cycle, but the tumble action is much shorter. About 5 seconds each direction with a 2 second pause, then a low speed 500 RPM spin instead of the 650/1000 RPM spin.
I'm not exactly sure how different the permanent press cycle is yet from the regular one.
I might as well chime in... BTW, All times are approximate.
On the normal cycle:
- Fill, then wash for about 25 minutes. Tumble each direction about 10 seconds each time with a 2 second pause.
- Drain and distribute.
- 3 pulse spins. 1 short (1 second), 1 medium (2 seconds), 1 long (3 seconds.)
- 1 5 minute rinse, same tumbling action as the wash.
- Drain and Distribute.
- 3 more pulse spins, just like the first three.
- 1 5 minute rinse. Just like the first rinse.
- Drain and Distribute.
- 3 more pulse spins, just like the second three.
- If extra rinse is not selected, machine goes into final spin. Otherwise, it does another 5 minute rinse, does a drain and distribute and then three more pulse spins.
- Final Spin, 2 minutes at 650 RPM, 2 more minutes at 1000 RPM if the tub is balanced, otherwise it continues spinning at 650 RPM.
I did notice at one point in time that after the pulse spins on an unbalanced load, the machine did another distribute before entering into the spin cycle.
The Delicate Cycle is identical to the regular cycle, but the tumble action is much shorter. About 5 seconds each direction with a 2 second pause, then a low speed 500 RPM spin instead of the 650/1000 RPM spin.
I'm not exactly sure how different the permanent press cycle is yet from the regular one.
brummybear
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LG 11KG 2009.
On a normal cottons wash at 60c
load detection, ( Small , med , Larg )
A larg is 2hours long,
Fill, 15 seconds toumble 1 sec pause between direstions,
Every 5 toumbles it spins for 3 seconds.
Its preset for 2 rinces, it goes Wash, drain, spin at 1400rpm, fill rince drain and spin for 2 mins/ with a final 10 min spin at 1400 at the end.
I can add a further 4 rinces to that or I can press medic rince and the fial rince water is heated to 40c.
All options are variable for exsample 0 to 1400rpm spin.
Water temp from 20c to 95c.
On a normal cottons wash at 60c
load detection, ( Small , med , Larg )
A larg is 2hours long,
Fill, 15 seconds toumble 1 sec pause between direstions,
Every 5 toumbles it spins for 3 seconds.
Its preset for 2 rinces, it goes Wash, drain, spin at 1400rpm, fill rince drain and spin for 2 mins/ with a final 10 min spin at 1400 at the end.
I can add a further 4 rinces to that or I can press medic rince and the fial rince water is heated to 40c.
All options are variable for exsample 0 to 1400rpm spin.
Water temp from 20c to 95c.
passatdoc
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@dj-gabrielle
My 2006 Frigidaire 2140 offers four wash-rinse combinations:
hot-cold
warm-cold
warm-warm
cold-cold
I've used warm-warm a few times on woolen blankets and sweaters (delicate cycle!) but I find that warm-cold works fine for sweaters and warm-warm is rarely necessary. I have friends who claim that cold water won't rinse woolens clean and that a warm rinse is better. They may be right.
My machine did not have Auto Temp Control, but the current version of this machine does have ATC. It also offers the same combinations listed above. Hot is hot water line temp and not dumbed down, but warm and cold are regulated by the ATC. The current machine does not have a cold water line cold option, it's always regulated by ATC. Another change in this model (vs. my 2006 version of it) is that it has a latch that pulls out of the frame to fasten the door in an open position, so the machine can air out, without the door being open at a 90 degree angle or so. Supposedly, the latch is child-proof to keep kids out. I don't know whether other higher end Frigidaire washers have the latch as well, but it makes sense to have it. If it really works, it would solve the problem of using FL machines in an area that cannot be secured against young children.
I agree with you, however, many FLs now sold, including higher end models, offer only cold rinse, no warm rinse options.
My 2006 Frigidaire 2140 offers four wash-rinse combinations:
hot-cold
warm-cold
warm-warm
cold-cold
I've used warm-warm a few times on woolen blankets and sweaters (delicate cycle!) but I find that warm-cold works fine for sweaters and warm-warm is rarely necessary. I have friends who claim that cold water won't rinse woolens clean and that a warm rinse is better. They may be right.
My machine did not have Auto Temp Control, but the current version of this machine does have ATC. It also offers the same combinations listed above. Hot is hot water line temp and not dumbed down, but warm and cold are regulated by the ATC. The current machine does not have a cold water line cold option, it's always regulated by ATC. Another change in this model (vs. my 2006 version of it) is that it has a latch that pulls out of the frame to fasten the door in an open position, so the machine can air out, without the door being open at a 90 degree angle or so. Supposedly, the latch is child-proof to keep kids out. I don't know whether other higher end Frigidaire washers have the latch as well, but it makes sense to have it. If it really works, it would solve the problem of using FL machines in an area that cannot be secured against young children.
I agree with you, however, many FLs now sold, including higher end models, offer only cold rinse, no warm rinse options.
zanussi_lover
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2010 Beko WM5120W
Fill with water and detergent
Wash/Heat
Drain
Interim Spin
Rinse
Interim Spin
Rinse
Interim Spin
Conditioner Rinse
Final Spin
End
I use the quick wash programme alot to shorten the cycle, unless im washing really soiled teatowels and towels then I will do a long (Intensive 60) wash to get them spotless.
Pressing the quickwash button on Cottons/Synthetics has 2 highlevel rinses as opposed to 3 Lowlevel rinses, also shortens the cycle by 45 minutes.
Fill with water and detergent
Wash/Heat
Drain
Interim Spin
Rinse
Interim Spin
Rinse
Interim Spin
Conditioner Rinse
Final Spin
End
I use the quick wash programme alot to shorten the cycle, unless im washing really soiled teatowels and towels then I will do a long (Intensive 60) wash to get them spotless.
Pressing the quickwash button on Cottons/Synthetics has 2 highlevel rinses as opposed to 3 Lowlevel rinses, also shortens the cycle by 45 minutes.
dj-gabriele
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Sorry, I meant an European made machine, I knew that some American washers still have that
gorenje WS 43122
On my previous modern gorenje the cotton cycle (60°C or 95°C) was:
fill
low speed tumbling & heating up to 40°C
low speed tumbling without heating (enzyme phase)
high speed tumbling & heating up to the desired temperature (60°C or 95°C)
drain & low speed spin (to avoid sudsing)
3x rinse & high speed spin (1200 rpm)
final spin (also 1200 rpm)
as an optional I can choose 1 or 2 extra rinses (so the total would be 5 rinses) or the "waterclean" sensor that rinses the laundry until the water is completely clear. (used this only ones but it takes way too long)
obviously the automatic "prewash" is also possible
Ingemar
On my previous modern gorenje the cotton cycle (60°C or 95°C) was:
fill
low speed tumbling & heating up to 40°C
low speed tumbling without heating (enzyme phase)
high speed tumbling & heating up to the desired temperature (60°C or 95°C)
drain & low speed spin (to avoid sudsing)
3x rinse & high speed spin (1200 rpm)
final spin (also 1200 rpm)
as an optional I can choose 1 or 2 extra rinses (so the total would be 5 rinses) or the "waterclean" sensor that rinses the laundry until the water is completely clear. (used this only ones but it takes way too long)
obviously the automatic "prewash" is also possible
Ingemar
rolls_rapide
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European warm rinse was available...
...on a Hoover Quattro, if I rightly remember, circa 1998/1999.
I think their idea was that a warm final rinse and spin at 1400rpm, equated to a cold rinse and 1600rpm spin.
...on a Hoover Quattro, if I rightly remember, circa 1998/1999.
I think their idea was that a warm final rinse and spin at 1400rpm, equated to a cold rinse and 1600rpm spin.
lavamat_jon
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Anything between 30 mins wash, 20 mins rinsing and 7 mins spinning to 45 mins wash, 40 mins rinsing and 11 mins spinning, with about 4 levels in between proportional to the weight and absorbency of the load.
A standard cycle is wash, 1000 spin, rinse, 1000 spin, conditioner rinse, and fast spin. If you select water plus, then an extra rinse and spin cycle. Select intensive and the wash is about 15-25 mins longer.
Jon
A standard cycle is wash, 1000 spin, rinse, 1000 spin, conditioner rinse, and fast spin. If you select water plus, then an extra rinse and spin cycle. Select intensive and the wash is about 15-25 mins longer.
Jon
newwave1
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Warm rinse still available in europe..
If you buy an LG with medic rinse. A final 40degree rinse which is hugely effective and after 1400rpm items and dry and warm which is the most bizarre thing in the world if you are not used to it!!
My hotpoint standardly will take anything from an 1hour to 2 and a half hours depending on what the sensing stage has decided or what options you have selected. Followed by an 800rpm spin after the wash 2 a deep rinse a 1200spin then a final deep rinse followed by 1600rpm final spin. However you can programme up to 5 rinses.
Darren
If you buy an LG with medic rinse. A final 40degree rinse which is hugely effective and after 1400rpm items and dry and warm which is the most bizarre thing in the world if you are not used to it!!
My hotpoint standardly will take anything from an 1hour to 2 and a half hours depending on what the sensing stage has decided or what options you have selected. Followed by an 800rpm spin after the wash 2 a deep rinse a 1200spin then a final deep rinse followed by 1600rpm final spin. However you can programme up to 5 rinses.
Darren
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