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That video, along with many of your posts, have not convinced me nor anyone here of anything, simply because there is still nothing to prove the insults and accusations you make about the broad subject of "HE" appliances. The person in that video went to an appliance store and took video of opening the lids. Okay. I can do that right now at the Lowe's five minutes away. But does that tell me how the machine will perform? Does that show me how the machine works? Can I take bags of my dirtiest laundry into Home Depot and wash it in the floor models? No, no, and no I cannot.

Again, everyone here is entitled to opinions, and what's more, we LOVE to have intelligent debates on the hows and whys of new machines vs. old machines and everything in between. What we DON'T love however, are the frequent threads being created with no intent but to slander against products without having personal experience with them and then insult anyone who has a different opinion and completely ignoring everyone else's input in the process. I, for one, am growing tired of it saturating the thread list.
 
I partly disagree with OP

I can only attest to longevity of my HE FL washer (duet) which is going on 11 yrs old, but a lot of the new HE washers do clean well. I will admit I'm not a fan of the TL HE washers, even though they do look super cool! As for the longevity I'm sure we can all agree they won't last as long as vintage washers (relatively speaking), because some of the vintage ones did have issues! Honestly, I was expecting my Duet to be dead years ago. I was VERY UPSET at first when I saw how little water it used, but as I used it and got the feel for it, I went from hating it to loving it.
 
Yeeesh

and I thought I was the resident hothead around here!

I'm probably mellowing out as I get older or perhaps it is because I went to the dark side and used PODS in my non union Frigidaire DW.

OR perhaps I have a new home and lots of exciting things to dream about. Or keep watching the union made Goodman 96% AFUE furnace run trying to understand and marvel at the same time how a simple piece of PVC exhausts what little heat is not kept in the heat exchanger.

Or I'm prowling Ebay for more Speed Queen ads.

Or I'm trolling HVAC forums learning about 35/5/370V Capacitors and how to change them. OR learning about flame sensors, rollout valves, inducer motors, silicone nitride ignitors and the like.

Or I'm fussing over my overgrown yard with too much turf type fescue and not enough bluegrass. Or I'm trying to budget for a concrete driveway/sidewalk.

Between 1-3 AM I worry about Frig now that he has eschewed PODS and come back to the land of liquids.

Or I watch social guidance films on youtube and laugh my tail off at the naivety that seems so quaint now.

Or I'm researching Murphy's oil soap and if it will work on my laminate wood floor.

Or calling dad each day hoping his back pain is not as severe as it was the day before.

Et cetera...........
 
it is what it is....call it like I see it!

your right.....he's got his finger stuck, but its not in his ears....

excuses and opinions are like assholes, every ones got one!....in any case, just blowing hot air!, out of either end!...

so guys, has any of this changed your minds?.....which do you dislike or leaving a bad taste in your mouth now, LG?, Samsung?, any HE machine?......or the OP?

don't get me wrong, we love a good debate over machines or anything laundry, look forward to reviews by a members getting a new toy, and the pros and cons they have experienced....that's the key word, experience.....about the only thing this one experienced is learning to surf YouTube...

not a village our there laying claim to this idiot....their too embarrassed!
 
I don't normally comment on these stupid threads (no insult intended toward you Jerome), but Bruce, here's the deal and you used the phrase yourself. "I did buy the service contract with them, just in case." Let's see. The phrase "buy the service contract". Let's examine this "service contract" terminology, shall we? I don't know exactly when this "service contract" phrase came into existence but I know it wasn't around 40 or 50 years ago. If I recall correctly it's only appeared in the last 15 to 20 years or so and more so in just the last ten.

The companys selling these "contracts" are doing so because they can no longer guarantee that their products will last. Products such as washers, dryers, cars, lawn mowers and so forth are considered "durable goods" or at least they are supposed to be. Several decades ago these products were durable with quality built in and came with good guarantees. There was no "service contract", there was no need for a "service contract" and no one had ever heard of a "service contract". These contracts are offered because companys know these products are of low quality, there is little or no quality control on the line, there are no unions in Korea or China or where ever the hell this shit is made so no pride is built into the product to begin with. They know the product is most likely to fail.

The first crime is selling low quality products to an unknowing public to begin with. The second crime is selling "service contracts" on durable goods that are expensive, should last and should have a strong guarantee to begin with. The third crime is producing this junk, as it depletes our natural resources and pollutes our planet. There is no energy or resource savings in durable goods that needs constant attention or replacement. Why is there such an upsurge in interest in AW if people aren't tired of the new appliances that don't last?

There is no rebuttal to this debate. You ended any logical response to this statement with your "service contract" remark. Those two words proved the point. I'm not attacking you personally, Bruce. I'm trying to impress on people in this forum that these these energy star gadgets that break down frequently, use little water or supposedly perform other little feats of magic are not going to save the planet or save anyone any money in the long run. It's just corporate chicanery that many people have fallen for.

But, on a more personal note, it doesn't seem logical or economically sound to buy a new huge capacity washer and dryer just to wash a king sized comforter. Maybe try a smaller bed or try layering with regular sized blankets or quilts that will fit into a normal sized machine? And last of all, please quit saying, "Buy a front load washer and come into the 21st century", when others mention a vintage machine. People that are mentioning vintage machines are usually in the "Imperial" section, or they should be, and aren't interested in your front load/21st century comments.
 
I don't normally comment on these stupid threads (no insult intended toward you Jerome), but Bruce, here's the deal and you used the phrase yourself. "I did buy the service contract with them, just in case." Let's see. The phrase "buy the service contract". Let's examine this "service contract" terminology, shall we? I don't know exactly when this "service contract" phrase came into existence but I know it wasn't around 40 or 50 years ago. If I recall correctly it's only appeared in the last 15 to 20 years or so and more so in just the last ten.

The companys selling these "contracts" are doing so because they can no longer guarantee that their products will last. Products such as washers, dryers, cars, lawn mowers and so forth are considered "durable goods" or at least they are supposed to be. Several decades ago these products were durable with quality built in and came with good guarantees. There was no "service contract", there was no need for a "service contract" and no one had ever heard of a "service contract". These contracts are offered because companys know these products are of low quality, there is little or no quality control on the line, there are no unions in Korea or China or where ever the hell this shit is made so no pride is built into the product to begin with. They know the product is most likely to fail.

The first crime is selling low quality products to an unknowing public to begin with. The second crime is selling "service contracts" on durable goods that are expensive, should last and should have a strong guarantee to begin with. The third crime is producing this junk, as it depletes our natural resources and pollutes our planet. There is no energy or resource savings in durable goods that needs constant attention or replacement. Why is there such an upsurge in interest in AW if people aren't tired of the new appliances that don't last?

There is no rebuttal to this debate. You ended any logical response to this statement with your "service contract" remark. Those two words proved the point. I'm not attacking you personally, Bruce. I'm trying to impress on people in this forum that these these energy star gadgets that break down frequently, use little water or supposedly perform other little feats of magic are not going to save the planet or save anyone any money in the long run. It's just corporate chicanery that many people have fallen for.

But, on a more personal note, it doesn't seem logical or economically sound to buy a new huge capacity washer and dryer just to wash a king sized comforter. Maybe try a smaller bed or try layering with regular sized blankets or quilts that will fit into a normal sized machine? And last of all, please quit saying, "Buy a front load washer and come into the 21st century", when others mention a vintage machine. People that are mentioning vintage machines are usually in the "Imperial" section, or they should be, and aren't interested in your front load/21st century comments.
 
I didn't realize there were that many people that had forgot to check their calendars for the last 15 years. Go up to Pitcher. I think there's lots of front loaders down in those sink holes for ya.
 
Well one of us is crazy and it's not you. :)

I do see Brian's point and he makes a good one.

One thing he forgot was the every shrinking warranties on appliances.

Let's see, I purchased my GE plastic fantastic in 1999. From the factory, 10 year warranty on the tranny, lifetime on inner and outer tub, and 5 year parts warranty. IIRC labor was NOT included.

Go look at GE now. Not one machine has a warranty longer than ONE paltry year.

Moved into my newly built home in April. Came with Frig icebox (ONE year warranty, period, even on the sealed system), Whirlpool smoothtop electric (ONE year warranty)and a Frig DW (ONE year warranty).

I think he's right, too many of us have been duped by corporate BS thinking that an extended "contract" means peace of mind. No what it means is you, the manufacturer, don't have the balls to stand behind the junk you make.

But we like the 45 wash cycles and the "sanitize" options now don't we? And don't forget 6 months same as cash and NO finance charges....lol lol lol lol.

Right. Time for a wee bit of a dram and off to bed I go.
 
though I disagree with some of the notions of the OP regarding HE washers,this thread did get me thinking about the advantages/disadvantages of various types of HE washers :)Now quite curious about the wash performance of the 2010 belt drive WP cabrio I bought($40)for repair-it is now on the workbench :)
GELandry4ever:time to get a washer collection started if possible -got any machines on a "get list" :)
 

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