Moffat washer, internal heater, 95C, Danby reincarnate?

[alexj]

Here it is:

http://www.moffatappliances.ca/jsp/ge_Features.jsp?model_id=51952&product_id=24

The model is MCCH6110H

It is sold under the Moffat name here in Canada, by GE I assume. It looks to me like the younger sister of the Danby. I strongly suspect that this one as well is made by Gorenje in Slovenia. I saw it today at Home Depot here in Toronto, it looks alright.

I also downloaded the manual. Frankly, it leaves a lot to be desired. For instance, they mention the existence of the prewash detergent compartment, and that is all they say about the prewash. However, one has absolutely no idea how to select this prewash or what cycles it might precede automatically. It has a rinse-hold button, which when I saw it at the store assumed was to select the prewash... Not so. I suspect though that the Cottons 95 and Perma Press 60 programs include a prewash. I say this because they use 3 more liters of water than any other Normal (60, 40, *) or Perma Press (40, *) program according to the manual.

If this washer indeed does have a cold (30C) pre-wash, coupled with the 95C or even 60C wash, one could get pretty close to a profile wash. Not bad for the alleged 7kg (although I think this would overload it) capacity and 1000RPM spin and the about $700CDN they are asking for it.

Does anyone have any experience with this machine or any ideas on the pre-wash?

http://www.moffatappliances.ca/jsp/ge_Features.jsp?model_id=51952&product_id=24

 

[bewitched]

Hi! Yes the machine seems the same as Gorenje Korting ones! I have a relative who has a similar machine. In her machine everything you have to do to make the prewash is to push the "prewash" button on the control board and put detergent in the prewash dispenser (left compartment of the detergent drawer.I seem to remember the prewash option can be selected on all cycles except the wool cycle. According to their site it might be an older model since their actual production sports electronic controls only.

 

[alexj]

I called the service line to ask about the pre-wash. The short answer is, this machine does not have a pre-wash. Basically, they took a perfectly good Gorenje design a dumbed it down.

According to them, a "pre-wash" means cold water being flushed through the pre-wash compartment at the beginning of every fill for about 10 seconds, and then the washer switches to flushing the main compartment with either hot, warm, or cold water depending on the temperature selected. (The washer has both a hot and cold fill, due to the fact it is only 120V and it would take too long to reach the higher temperatures if it started from cold water). There is no actually drain or separate wash.

This is terrible, frankly. Had they just kept a "pre-wash" button to allow for a real pre-wash this would have been a great machine. Now there is no way to get even close to anything like a profile wash. If I want a 95C wash, except for the first few seconds, the washer would fill with hot water right away and set some stains and not allow them to be loosened first by being exposed to lower temperatures. I don't think the first 10 second cold fill makes any difference at all, it seems like a gimmick...

 

[brisnat81]

Usually the cold water fill

Is to Fill the sump with water, so that when the machine flushes the soap in from the dispensor it ends up in the drum rather than the sump. If there is an eco valve this flush fills the sump which allows the valve to close.

Most machines these days have a seperate inlet that allows water into the sump first and then switches to the dispenser tray. It sounds like they have removed an inlet hose.

My biggest complaint with my Miele is that it uses the cold hose to fill the sump. If it started filling from the hot hose it would bleed the cold off to fill the sump and then be filling with hot from the start. My machine alternates hot and cold to 40degC and then heats from there.

 

[gr-wash]

If it's like the Danby...

you could do a profile wash by adding a "Y" fitting off the cold water line and have it go to both the hot and cold inlets. It would take a long time to heat, but it should be able to do it.

 

[launderess]

Pre-wash cycles have been eliminated by some because research has found that for all but the most grossly soiled laundry, today's modern detergents cope quite well with normal soiling in the "normal" cycle.

Older Miele washers used to have a pre-wash by default for all "normal" cottons,permanent press and even delicates. By the time the 1900 series came out, pre-wash was elimated from the normal cycle, but could be chosen as a separate option.

Commercial laundromat washing machines use a pre-wash because their darn cycles are so fast they need to get rid of much soiling before the main wash.

Only time I use the pre-wash on my vintage Miele is when I want to follow it with a wash temp of 160F to 200F. By doing a cold water pre-wash or using the extended soak option, can allow the washer to fill with hot tap water for the wash cycle, thus cutting down on how long the machine will take to heat (ok, boost) the water up to the required temp.

L.

 

[arrrooohhh]

A final rinse and spin cycle can act as a prewash if there are no othe settings for prewash. You get a short cold agitation and a spin dry then just set again for a normal hot wash.

 

[arrrooohhh]

Moffat Top loaders

These are rather handsome machines.

Any more information of pictures?