My new LG 4000 series washer and dryer

[mark_wpduet]

Actually - I wasn't overthinking. I wasn't talking about selecting normal cycles and push start and go. I was talking about what appnut's post where he was describing about changing cycles to get different results. What I mean was, if you do this procedure.....say start with prewash, stop before prewash is done, change it to normal...appnut says the water won't drain but it will continue with the new cycle as if the old cycle never happened (at least if I'm comprehending the way he explained it. LOL

PS - I would likely not do this but it's interesting to me.

 

[mark_wpduet]

Oh wait.......prewash on the LG's is a modifier, not an actual cycle like on my Duet (Forget I said that)

Which cycles can EXTRA HOT be used?

 

[appnut]

Normal and Heavy Duty cycle offer extra hot Mark. And that doesn't include Sanitary and Allergiene, which can be even hotter from waht I undrestand. But 156 degrees F seems awefully hot enough.

 

[mark_wpduet]

Um yeah!

I'm not 100% sure but I think that's even hotter than my duet gets on sanitary (LOL) I can't remember, but I think it's 153F. If not 153, I'm pretty sure it's 150s..

how long (if you choose extra hot on normal) I'll bet the cycle would be REALLY long.

I know turbo wash is supposed to speed things up. I wonder if you can't choose extra hot with turbo wash enabled since it would defeat the purpose of turbo wash? Although, for me, turbo wash isn't about speed...it's about saturating the load better. I'd always use that.

 

[appnut]

Mark, I tried a play load of a lot of towels, I set it on Normal, extra hot. highest soil level, maximum of extra rinses. The display time was 2:51. By the time it got to the end of the wash phase, display ways 1:30 and it was 156F temperature. A former member has been providing me with information. He told me sanitary the cut off point for the heater was 160 and for Allergene the cutoff with steam temperature as 165.

 

[pierreandreply4]

appnut

at the summer cottage my mom bough for the summer cottage the lg wm4100hba washer with matching dryer, on the washer should i suggest to my mom she use the extra rinse option?

 

[mark_wpduet]

the bummer is if you DO NOT use extra hot, you're not getting anything close to hot....It's like this giant massive leap from Hot to extra hot.

 

[appnut]

Pierre, that's something you & your mom need to work out. Me personally, whether TurboWash is on or off, I add an extra rinse.

 

[appnut]

Mark, exactly. That's why I am glad I can select extra hot for a while until the wash water is heated up to the temperature I prefer for "hot", and once that happens, pause the machine, either keep the same cycle, or switch to another cycle more appropriate for the wash, change the water temperature to Hot, and adjust soil level to probably light soil since the washer has been tumbling and heating for quite a while. And my laundry room is right off the kitchen so it's not too big of an issue. But I still need to experiment with selecting extra hot and lightest soil and see how high the temperature reaches before the wash cycle is automatically ended. Because on my one test, I just maxxed out soil level as well as extra hot.

 

[petek]

It's not impossible really that they could eventually allow a personal or custom cycle you could program yourself, if not on the machine directly then on the app, and store it there and on the machine in the "downloaded" button.

 

[appnut]

Now, I will admit, I've always suspected LG had more dudmbed down water temps as well as used the heater readily a lot less with its 105 kwh Energy rating as apposed to Whirlpool's commparable size washer having a rating of 141 kwh for the year. That's why I'd always preferred Whirlpool because they had one of the higher/highet kwh ratings for comparable sized front loaders and that meant to me more warm and hot water.[this post was last edited: 11/14/2021-10:18]

 

[mark_wpduet]

appnut -

Yea but I totally can't see me doing that...I like to choose a cycle I like and use that for everything, maybe modify depending on what I'm washing. Like whites I would use bleach...My heater is set to 120 factory...and the water coming out of my tap is HOT...too hot to touch.......so if hot target temp is 113, that's actually not too far off to what my water heater is set at...I MAY be able to live with that as hot...the big thing is knowing you have extra hot if you need it..I definitely never EVER use cold...but I would always always use turbo wash

How are you recording these temps.......??? I'm only asking to clarify if the machine tells you what the water temp is, or do you use something else?

 

[mark_wpduet]

I wonder what my duet does as far as temps? I'm almost always using either heavy duty or whitest whites for everything. sometimes add more soil, sometimes not. Always extra rinse unless it's something really small or a small load...My duet rinses really well. But say, heavy duty on mine...the heater kicks in shortly after filling is done for wash and is on for the duration of the wash (which isn't really long too) like the wash on heavy duty with no soil modifiers is right at 20 min's.... But, I think the water coming into the machine is tap hot, so it's already pretty hot.......and the heater takes it from there. My point is, even not using sanitary on my duet, but other cycles that use the heater, but aren't nearly as long as sanitary, I still think the temp gets up there when hot is selected I'd venture to say at least 120s, possibly 130....but I can't confirm this. I'm sure the literature says it, but I'm too lazy to search for literature on my ancient duet.

 

[henene4]

I suppose that Whitest Whites and Towels might also use the heater on the LG.

But I guess that really is just a trial and error thing.
With the multitude of options these have and the highly advanced sensing it might even be a question of load type etc.

 

[appnut]

Mark, I understand. Your Duet was made in Germany I believe. My 2010 (introduced in mid to late 2009) was the first generation of Duets produced in Ohio and was the first direct drive Duet. I thinnk mine was designed whereby the heater came on as default for Whites, Bulky/Bedding, Heavy Duty, and Allergene. But I will tell you this, my hot wash associated with Heavy Duty didn't always get hot enough to require a cool down spray at the end of the wash (122 or 125 degrees) like it does for Whites. Me personally, I want hotter water in a front loader because I wanted freedom from LCB and the Duet gave me that. Fabrics/garments I use to use LCB, I noticed started lasting much longer with the higher wash temps versur chlorine bleach usage. 113F just doesn't cut it for me that way in cleaning and stain removal. I've never minded the long cycles if needbe. I have high expectations for my appliances when it comes to performance and delivering the goods as far as what they are designed for. Hence BobLoads for laundry and dishware expectations.

Here's the rundown from what I've gather from my source

For Normal and Heavy Duty on the LG, the heater definitely comes on to heat to those high Ex hot temps. Normal has the very dumbed down temps for warm and hot. If you add steam, hot temp is 104F. Similar for Heavy Duty. For Bedding, Permanent Press, Towels, and Whites warm & hot temps are 90F & 113F respectively for all those cycles.

 

[mark_wpduet]

freedom from LCB

I don't mind using it as it's just a WEE little bit....but I get that some people hate using it. My aunt was like that. She couldn't stand the stuff. I can't be without it even though I use so little of it. I feel like a little of that stuff goes a LONG way.

I use it for three things. I pour some in the dispenser for whites which isn't much at all.

I pour a little in the dishwasher when starting a cycle

I fill a spray bottle with water and put a couple of teaspoons in to use when I clean around.

and it takes me forever to go through a gallon of it. It almost always expires before I can get close to getting through it, so I end up buying a small bottle instead.

 

[iiijohnnymaciii]

TurboWash Rinses

Hey, Bob. From what I can gather, with TurboWash on, there is default 1 rinse. With TurboWash off, there are default 2 rinses. So, with TurboWash enabled the most rinses you can get are 2, correct? Have you found that enough to be satisfactory?

 

[appnut]

John, today I actually did my first real loads of laudry. One was a very arge load of darks/t shrts, flannels, long sleeve t shirts. I did on Normal with TurboWash as default required, but maxed out at a total of 3 rinses and 4 spray rinses.

Whites with TW may have a max of 4-5 rinses. Similarr for towels too.

 

[powerfin64]

Depends on the cycle

MOST of the cycles on the dial have ONLY 1 rinse by default, but you can add up to
3 additional rinses. One cycle has 3 rinses by default and can up to 2 more. A few other cycles have 2 rinses by default.
I have not turned off TurboWash. It's one of the reasons I bought it for.

 

[appnut]

It's one of the reasons I bought it for.

Me too. The only cycles TW isn't optional is delicates and sportwear.

 

[mark_wpduet]

Yes....Leave TW on all the time lol

but the fact that it's not optional for "sportswear" is just weird

 

[powerfin64]

certain fabrics

require gentler washing action, for the type of light weight fabric to be washed. Delicate, Sportswear and a few other on Downloaded cycles, Turbo wash can NOT be enabled for that reason.
it's not rocket science to figure out.

 

[vacerator]

Turbo wash

isn't active on the bedding cycle, say's neighbor.

 

[iiijohnnymaciii]

Thanks for the info on the rinses

Sounds like it’s a great machine and well engineered with each cycle truly having a purpose.

 

[appnut]

Mike, I've seen on YouTube videos of Beddng cycle, the TW sequence is backwards. It doesn't spray during tumbling, but does spray during the dwell period when it pauses to reverse tumble motion.

 

[mark_wpduet]

Gentle wash action -

Isn't turbo wash just basic recirculation? Or is there more to it? I thought by enabling turbo wash it just sprays water on clothes. I didn't realize the wash action itself was different. I'm not sure how recirculation could be rough on fabrics.

 

[jerrod_six]

So for whites hot is 113F? Can you select extra hot to this cycle since 113F is not very hot?

 

[henene4]

TurboWash

So, in theory, TurboWash does 3 major things:

a) Add recirculation
b) Add Spray rinses and drop one deep rinse
c) Change wash/rinse parameters

C can be a lot of things.
The main wash time is cut by half approximately on many occasions.
Rinse time is cut. However rinse water levels are raised.
From there on a lot can vary by cycle.

Delicates should keep the same wash pattern. So should Bulky.
However other cycles might increase agitation somewhat.

Some cycles might run dilution rinses that wouldn't otherwise.
Some might increase wash temps. Others might not. Some might employ the heater to maintain wash temps.

Being rough on clothes is a relative term.
Certain items might not tolerate the more intensive treatment but be resilient to longer, lower agitation.
With most day to day clothing I don't think that's the case though.
That's more a thing with lacy delicate stuff and Synthetics.

For most items, long gentle agitation and short intensive agitation should boil down to the same.

I think with TurboWash specifically and the way it generally operates, rinsing and type of soiling is more important than agitation for results on clothing.
First of, for some items, 2 deep rinses are just not equivalent to 1 deep rinse and 2 spray rinses. To mind come highly absorbent thick items like towels or less penetrable fabrics like dense denim.
On cleaning, stains and other dried in stuff might profit from the longer soaking time more than the agitation increase.

An additional thing I heard about:

Some TurboWash owners use the speed wash cycle instead of normal.
They just up the spin speed, soil level and add a rinse or two.

That apparently comes close to the normal wash with TurboWash time wise and uses tap hot or the respective temp.

 

[appnut]

Jerrod, there are only two cycles that offer extra hot wash temp: Normal and Heavy Duty. Other cycles which offer steam an an option, which causes an increase in temperature from what I understand, are Bedding and Whites. Sanitary and Allergiene are in their own league. There are several download cycles, which are derriviatives of both Heavy Duty & Normal, also offer extra hot wash temp. I will be doing a large load of towels early next week on Heavy Duty with Extra Hot Wash and at Normal Soil level or either of the two less than normal soil levels and see how hot the water temperarture rises in teh alloted time of wash. There's no thermostatic holds. (but the Duet didn't either). One thing the Duet did the LG cannot do is select various soil levels when you want to add steam for stains. LG, once you select steam, you lose all control with regards to soil level. I'm also curious to see what tempeartures the various soil levels and exra hot wash temp selected results for temps between 55C & 69C for the alloted wash times. I want to be able to achieve wash water temps that fall between the anemic 113F and 155F-160F. I refusse to accept DOE-forced water temps. And this machicne provides me with the ability to try and do so as any potential Euro washer has extremely limited service coverage where I live.

 

[mark_wpduet]

@henene4

Ahhh. Thanks for that. All this time I thought Turbo wash was just adding recirculation.....LOL