It's one of the reasons I bought it for.
Me too. The only cycles TW isn't optional is delicates and sportwear.
Me too. The only cycles TW isn't optional is delicates and sportwear.
My new LG 4000 series washer and dryer
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mark_wpduet
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Yes....Leave TW on all the time lol
but the fact that it's not optional for "sportswear" is just weird
but the fact that it's not optional for "sportswear" is just weird
powerfin64
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certain fabrics
require gentler washing action, for the type of light weight fabric to be washed. Delicate, Sportswear and a few other on Downloaded cycles, Turbo wash can NOT be enabled for that reason.
it's not rocket science to figure out.
require gentler washing action, for the type of light weight fabric to be washed. Delicate, Sportswear and a few other on Downloaded cycles, Turbo wash can NOT be enabled for that reason.
it's not rocket science to figure out.
vacerator
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Turbo wash
isn't active on the bedding cycle, say's neighbor.
isn't active on the bedding cycle, say's neighbor.
iiijohnnymaciii
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Thanks for the info on the rinses
Sounds like it’s a great machine and well engineered with each cycle truly having a purpose.
Sounds like it’s a great machine and well engineered with each cycle truly having a purpose.
Mike, I've seen on YouTube videos of Beddng cycle, the TW sequence is backwards. It doesn't spray during tumbling, but does spray during the dwell period when it pauses to reverse tumble motion.
mark_wpduet
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Gentle wash action -
Isn't turbo wash just basic recirculation? Or is there more to it? I thought by enabling turbo wash it just sprays water on clothes. I didn't realize the wash action itself was different. I'm not sure how recirculation could be rough on fabrics.
Isn't turbo wash just basic recirculation? Or is there more to it? I thought by enabling turbo wash it just sprays water on clothes. I didn't realize the wash action itself was different. I'm not sure how recirculation could be rough on fabrics.
jerrod_six
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So for whites hot is 113F? Can you select extra hot to this cycle since 113F is not very hot?
TurboWash
So, in theory, TurboWash does 3 major things:
a) Add recirculation
b) Add Spray rinses and drop one deep rinse
c) Change wash/rinse parameters
C can be a lot of things.
The main wash time is cut by half approximately on many occasions.
Rinse time is cut. However rinse water levels are raised.
From there on a lot can vary by cycle.
Delicates should keep the same wash pattern. So should Bulky.
However other cycles might increase agitation somewhat.
Some cycles might run dilution rinses that wouldn't otherwise.
Some might increase wash temps. Others might not. Some might employ the heater to maintain wash temps.
Being rough on clothes is a relative term.
Certain items might not tolerate the more intensive treatment but be resilient to longer, lower agitation.
With most day to day clothing I don't think that's the case though.
That's more a thing with lacy delicate stuff and Synthetics.
For most items, long gentle agitation and short intensive agitation should boil down to the same.
I think with TurboWash specifically and the way it generally operates, rinsing and type of soiling is more important than agitation for results on clothing.
First of, for some items, 2 deep rinses are just not equivalent to 1 deep rinse and 2 spray rinses. To mind come highly absorbent thick items like towels or less penetrable fabrics like dense denim.
On cleaning, stains and other dried in stuff might profit from the longer soaking time more than the agitation increase.
An additional thing I heard about:
Some TurboWash owners use the speed wash cycle instead of normal.
They just up the spin speed, soil level and add a rinse or two.
That apparently comes close to the normal wash with TurboWash time wise and uses tap hot or the respective temp.
So, in theory, TurboWash does 3 major things:
a) Add recirculation
b) Add Spray rinses and drop one deep rinse
c) Change wash/rinse parameters
C can be a lot of things.
The main wash time is cut by half approximately on many occasions.
Rinse time is cut. However rinse water levels are raised.
From there on a lot can vary by cycle.
Delicates should keep the same wash pattern. So should Bulky.
However other cycles might increase agitation somewhat.
Some cycles might run dilution rinses that wouldn't otherwise.
Some might increase wash temps. Others might not. Some might employ the heater to maintain wash temps.
Being rough on clothes is a relative term.
Certain items might not tolerate the more intensive treatment but be resilient to longer, lower agitation.
With most day to day clothing I don't think that's the case though.
That's more a thing with lacy delicate stuff and Synthetics.
For most items, long gentle agitation and short intensive agitation should boil down to the same.
I think with TurboWash specifically and the way it generally operates, rinsing and type of soiling is more important than agitation for results on clothing.
First of, for some items, 2 deep rinses are just not equivalent to 1 deep rinse and 2 spray rinses. To mind come highly absorbent thick items like towels or less penetrable fabrics like dense denim.
On cleaning, stains and other dried in stuff might profit from the longer soaking time more than the agitation increase.
An additional thing I heard about:
Some TurboWash owners use the speed wash cycle instead of normal.
They just up the spin speed, soil level and add a rinse or two.
That apparently comes close to the normal wash with TurboWash time wise and uses tap hot or the respective temp.
Jerrod, there are only two cycles that offer extra hot wash temp: Normal and Heavy Duty. Other cycles which offer steam an an option, which causes an increase in temperature from what I understand, are Bedding and Whites. Sanitary and Allergiene are in their own league. There are several download cycles, which are derriviatives of both Heavy Duty & Normal, also offer extra hot wash temp. I will be doing a large load of towels early next week on Heavy Duty with Extra Hot Wash and at Normal Soil level or either of the two less than normal soil levels and see how hot the water temperarture rises in teh alloted time of wash. There's no thermostatic holds. (but the Duet didn't either). One thing the Duet did the LG cannot do is select various soil levels when you want to add steam for stains. LG, once you select steam, you lose all control with regards to soil level. I'm also curious to see what tempeartures the various soil levels and exra hot wash temp selected results for temps between 55C & 69C for the alloted wash times. I want to be able to achieve wash water temps that fall between the anemic 113F and 155F-160F. I refusse to accept DOE-forced water temps. And this machicne provides me with the ability to try and do so as any potential Euro washer has extremely limited service coverage where I live.
mark_wpduet
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@appnut, Powerfin64, & Nmassman44
How are you finding the rinsing and spin cycles on your new LG's, especially the final spin, do you have much noise and vibrating, or does it seem to operate relatively quiet? I'm seriously considering these as my new acquisition once I get this mess sorted with my Whirlpool's. Thanks in advance
How are you finding the rinsing and spin cycles on your new LG's, especially the final spin, do you have much noise and vibrating, or does it seem to operate relatively quiet? I'm seriously considering these as my new acquisition once I get this mess sorted with my Whirlpool's. Thanks in advance
The first thing I'll address is it's far quieter than my Duet was. I did a large load of towels Monday night and set for extra high spin speed. Final spin speed was 1110 rpms and I was amazed how much quieter the machine was at that spin speed vs. The duet. Also, very stable on my concrete floor. The first time I did a ply load of towels on Normal, the final spin was like 6 minutess long and the final spray rinse was at the 4 minute mark, which gave little time for a good spin. A former member and I have been emailsing off and on for about 10 years on dishwasher stuff. Turns out he has the WM4500 and has done extensive research on his. On sensing cycles, the load is weighed, it senses how heavy/large the load is and triggers a "long" or "short" cycle and a "short" cycle will predominantly be triggered on Normal. I had a large load of towels, that filled my Duet, and it still oonly triggered the "short" cycle. To manually force a "long" cycle is to pour 3-4 cups of water into the cyinder (goes into the sump) before adding garments. The "long" cycle will trigger the machine to more readily heat the water if needed; wash and rinse water levels are higher (a quart to a gallon more); wash times are slightly longer; rinse tumble times after fill are (as on Normal cycle) changed from 1 minute to 2 minutes) interim spins are slightly longer and on Normal cycle as an example, final spin is longer and the spray rinse is at 6 or 8 minntes rather than at 4 minutes, allowing more time for high speed spin. The normal cycle does something no other cycle does on it's deep rinse. It adds enough water to have some water in the cylinder and then it begins a slow spin for a minute or two before it adds the rest of the water to complete the rinse. I'm amazed at how much water the rinses use. I pretty much add an extra rinse for every lod, even with TurboWash selected. Just my preference. This same guy is my source for all the various wash temperatures for various soil levels and cycles that I have referred to up thread. As far as I'm concerned, the noisiest the washer is when running is when it's filling/adding water.
powerfin64
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@roscoe62
My LG washer is MUCH quieter than my last LG set. Minimal vibration, (any front load washer has some noise and vibration to it)
I think the rinsing is Very good, and the spray spin rinse really helps. The turbowash is excellent, using all the water.
The final spin is great. as long as your load is balanced good, there isn't much vibration and noise from it.
Mine and Bobs are the 4200 set, which is 5 CF drum, which is deep.
Mikes is the 4000 which is slightly smaller, 4.5 CF but basically almost the same machine.
Both machines have ALOT of cycles to choose from, including some downloaded ones, which I like well.
wonderful machines.
My LG washer is MUCH quieter than my last LG set. Minimal vibration, (any front load washer has some noise and vibration to it)
I think the rinsing is Very good, and the spray spin rinse really helps. The turbowash is excellent, using all the water.
The final spin is great. as long as your load is balanced good, there isn't much vibration and noise from it.
Mine and Bobs are the 4200 set, which is 5 CF drum, which is deep.
Mikes is the 4000 which is slightly smaller, 4.5 CF but basically almost the same machine.
Both machines have ALOT of cycles to choose from, including some downloaded ones, which I like well.
wonderful machines.
Duet vs. KenLG
Our 41982 Kenmore built LG is significantly quieter while running, except for when filling. A lot of the newer TurboWash 360 machines have fixed this. Our Duet was an older model with belt drive and struggled with balancing. It did have some vibration issues as a result. One odd thing I noticed with the Kenmore was that it will not fill with both hot and cold water valves at the same time. The Duet would, and was very accurate with water temps. The Kenmore frequently fluctuates water temps by quite a bit when filling, but is fairly close once full. The Kenmore does suds lock significantly easier than the Duet. I think the Duet only did twice. That one I can't explain.
In my use with the Kenmore, the Normal cycle tumbles at a higher speed, tumbles less frequently, and with a longer wash period when NOT using TurboWash. It also uses a higher interim spin speed and much lower rinse water levels. I personally prefer all of these things except the lower rinse water level. My biggest gripe when TurboWash? The interim spin is not nearly fast or long enough. The fact that the drain pump does not run when it ramps down just adds to the effect because the extracted water remains in the pump. At least this is how my Kenmore and the WashTower that a relative has. Hence, why I typically do not use TurboWash. But again, that is my personal experience.
The final spin regardless of selection is too short, IMHO. It will ramp up to 1255 rpm and instantly slow down to call it quits when HIGH spin is selected. Extra High will spin at 1100-1255 for about 8 minutes. Far more effective.
appnut, I fully agree that I do not care for the DOE forced temps. These machines are efficient enough. If I want a Warm wash, damn it, give me a warm wash! Our Duet was spotless after 10 years when the bearings went. I attribute this to tap hot and true warm washes when using the Whites cycle.
The Kenmore would do a ~110ºF wash with Hot on every cycle including Whitest Whites. With ours, it did NOT heat the water or even maintain that temperature on any cycle. In fact, the only cycles that do heat the water or maintain a temperature are: Heavy Duty-Extra Hot,Normal-Extra Hot, any time Steam/Steam Treat is activated, Allergen, Sanitize, Speed Wash, and ironically enough, Normal-Cold. Normal-Cold would always fill at around 70ºF and heat to 74ºF, which really made me happy.
Our Normal-Extra Hot always would heat to 149ºF. It would be higher with increased soil level. The highest I ever read was 158ºF.
Our 41982 Kenmore built LG is significantly quieter while running, except for when filling. A lot of the newer TurboWash 360 machines have fixed this. Our Duet was an older model with belt drive and struggled with balancing. It did have some vibration issues as a result. One odd thing I noticed with the Kenmore was that it will not fill with both hot and cold water valves at the same time. The Duet would, and was very accurate with water temps. The Kenmore frequently fluctuates water temps by quite a bit when filling, but is fairly close once full. The Kenmore does suds lock significantly easier than the Duet. I think the Duet only did twice. That one I can't explain.
In my use with the Kenmore, the Normal cycle tumbles at a higher speed, tumbles less frequently, and with a longer wash period when NOT using TurboWash. It also uses a higher interim spin speed and much lower rinse water levels. I personally prefer all of these things except the lower rinse water level. My biggest gripe when TurboWash? The interim spin is not nearly fast or long enough. The fact that the drain pump does not run when it ramps down just adds to the effect because the extracted water remains in the pump. At least this is how my Kenmore and the WashTower that a relative has. Hence, why I typically do not use TurboWash. But again, that is my personal experience.
The final spin regardless of selection is too short, IMHO. It will ramp up to 1255 rpm and instantly slow down to call it quits when HIGH spin is selected. Extra High will spin at 1100-1255 for about 8 minutes. Far more effective.
appnut, I fully agree that I do not care for the DOE forced temps. These machines are efficient enough. If I want a Warm wash, damn it, give me a warm wash! Our Duet was spotless after 10 years when the bearings went. I attribute this to tap hot and true warm washes when using the Whites cycle.
The Kenmore would do a ~110ºF wash with Hot on every cycle including Whitest Whites. With ours, it did NOT heat the water or even maintain that temperature on any cycle. In fact, the only cycles that do heat the water or maintain a temperature are: Heavy Duty-Extra Hot,Normal-Extra Hot, any time Steam/Steam Treat is activated, Allergen, Sanitize, Speed Wash, and ironically enough, Normal-Cold. Normal-Cold would always fill at around 70ºF and heat to 74ºF, which really made me happy.
Our Normal-Extra Hot always would heat to 149ºF. It would be higher with increased soil level. The highest I ever read was 158ºF.
TurboWash is default on Normal & Heavy Duty and is optional for Whites, Perm Press, Bedding, Sanitary, Allergiene, Towels, and Speed Wash. I always have TurboWsh select4ed. On mine, after the tub coasts down following a spray rinse, the drum pauses and the pump discharges any water in the sump before filling begins for the rinse.
appnut
They changed it then! I am glad!!
They changed it then! I am glad!!
mark_wpduet
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Hey appnut...Just curious....have you timed the spray rinses?
They've been signficanty shortened from the older videos seen on youtube of up to a minute. They are now between 5-10 seconds. I'll time one when I do a load this Sunday or Monday.
mark_wpduet
Well-known member
5 to 10 seconds is not long enough but it sounds like it's good at rinsing regardless...
The fact that it has a deep rinse is really good. I did not know that.
The fact that it has a deep rinse is really good. I did not know that.
