Need Help! Panel Dishwasher deepness

[natosha_jacobs]

I need advice please. I want my integrated DW - Kenmore Elite 12776 panel ready - to be flush with the cabinets. I even got a 2" overhang for the granite and it comes out past that?

Our kitchen remodel is near complete and this issue I am unwilling to overlook. I went with a KD so they could advise me, but I don't agree with or like the answer.

Cabinet depth is 24" standard. And behind the DW we removed the drywall to gain 3/4" space. Unattached the DW depth was good. KD ordered the Starmark dishwasher standard cabinet. Because the cabinet has a faceplate at 24" - it was the only place he could attach. But this has the DW out way past the cabinet doors. Should we have gotten a different style cabinet? I see pics all the time and these are flush - what am I missing?

I do not want to accept that there is no solution. Thanks.

 

[chachp]

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">I just looked up the depth of your dishwasher and if I read it correctly it said 24.874" but it's not clear to me if that is with our without the panel.  I looked up the depth of my Bosch 800 series panel ready and it lists 21-5/8" Depth.  If I read this correctly a different dishwasher may give you what you need if that's an option.  Looks like Miele panel ready machines are a little over 22" depth.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">All of the panel ready machines I have seen installed have been European (BOSCH and Miele mostly) machines of some type and I believe the dimensions of most of those is less than a Kenmore for example and all that I have seen have been flush to the cabinets.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">I may be totally off on this.  This type of installation seems much more common in European kitchens and we have many folks here who have them.  I'm eager to hear their input.</span>

 

[easy]

DW depth

This may not be the answer to your problem. I had a new Maytag dishwasher installed recently that stuck out like yours. Turns out that the plumber had the drain hose exiting behind the machine before going into the adjacent cabinet. When the drain hose was moved to come out from the bottom of the machine instead, the problem was solved.

 

[yogitunes]

there are always options, now whether you choose to choose one is up to you....

you may have seen what others look like being flush, but what was needed behind the scenes you are not seeing, and appears your hitting the same concerns...

a few options may be....

note: fixing one problem, may create another....

you already cut out the sheet rock behind the machine, you may have to cut more into the studs to gain the needed rear space....

pulling the base cabinets forward to match flush is another choice...

select another dishwasher, but consider all dimensions fully assembled before choosing one....

also, when adding a custom front panel, sometimes you may have to add stronger door springs to accommodate the extra weight...

 

[beehiveboy]

Hi there, I’m not able to be massively helpful other than to say that this type of dishwasher has been commonplace in Europe for about 30 years, and always installs flush with no additional fiddling around behind the machine. So I guess I would agree with the above poster that looking at a European machine might be the answer.

 

[combo52]

KA DW Depth Problem

It sounds like the problem is where you are attaching it to the side cabinets, If the DW fits before you pull it forward to attach to the side cabinets attach it to the underside of the counter top instead.

 

You can get a metal strip that glues to the bottom of the silly granite counter top so the DW can be properly positioned, with having already removed the drywall there is no reason the DW will not fit completely flush.

 

As mentioned you could go with a much smaller Bosch or Miele DW which are made to fit under European 22" deep CTs, but this is unnecessary for what you are doing.

 

John L.

 

[rp2813]

We can do without the editorializing regarding someone’s choice of countertop materials.

 

[combo52]

Type Of Counter Top materials

I deal with Granite counter tops every working day and there is very little good about them.

 

They stain, crack, get chipped all around the sink openings, they are unsanitary [ generally not allowed in commercial settings ]

 

When I am working on DWs, ranges and refrigerators there is almost always broken glass under the appliances from all the items that have been broken on the CTs.

 

This whole DW installation problem would not have happened except for the difficult granite CTs.

 

Those are the facts, as for editorializing they are also ugly, very few cutting edge kitchens would ever use something that ugly.

 

John 

 

[gizmo]

I don't get it.

 Can you please explain how the choice of countertop could possibly affect how far in/out the dishwasher can be mounted?

surely the factor that most limits the installation is the cabinet into which the dishwasher is being installed?

either the dishwasher is all the way back, or it isn't.

If it isn't all the way back, then it should be re-positioned further back, if the cabinet allows it.

 

I'm not familiar with the term "faceplate". Is this a piece of cabinetry at the BACK of the opening, and it's blocking the dw from going further back? Or is it at the front of the opening, and the installer is aligning the mounting holes in the dw with some piece of trim at the front of the cabinet?

 

If the dishwasher isn't too deep to fit in the cabinet with its door flush with the adjoining cabinet doors, then the installer should fit an extra piece of cabinetry that lines up with the mounting holes of the dishwasher, so it can be installed properly. That extra piece could be installed inside the cabinet sides, or connecting to the (no adjectives required) countertop.

 

 

 

[rp2813]

News Flash

Sorry to disappoint, but I believe it's safe to say that the vast majority of members here are not interested in falling into lockstep with a single authoritarian contributor's point of view, nor do we support ridiculing a new member who is seeking useful, non-judgemental advice.

 

 

 

[twintubdexter]

<span style="font-size: 14pt; color: #008000;">You may have to go through the back wall entirely. If it's an outside wall you can get creative.</span>

 

[chachp]

#10

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">That is so bad and so terribly funny!  Thanks for a good laugh.</span>

 

[dermacie]

to me it almost looks like the sink base is back too far. When I look at my cabinets in comparison, My cabinets were installed one year ago so it should be similar.

 

[vacman1961]

Unfortunately, I hate to say this, but being in the appliance business for over 40 years, the only solution today is a Bosch or a Miele, they are not as deep as the American brand machines. I have a panel ready Kitchen Aid and I removed the sheetrock and shaved some of the studs behind the machine to make it fit flush, I was not getting rid of my Kitchen Aid.

 

[combo52]

Installing US DWs

In the US DWs are designed to be attached to the lower edge of the counter top, problems arise when when using granite and other stone CTs because you generally do not want to try drilling holes in them because you may cause them to crack and break.

 

There are work arounds that can work, the best ones I have seen is metal strip with hundreds of holes in it that can be epoxyed to the bottom of the CT and the DW attached to the strip.

 

John L.

 

[steved]

US models

Nearly every US dishwasher with a stainless steel tub is able be secured by installing the mounting brackets to the holes in the sides of the tub.

 

I think plastic tub dishwashers still need to mount to the countertop in the traditional way.  On plastic tub models, I've always added screws to the bottom of the frame into the side cabinets to keep the dishwasher from pushing in from weight on the door.

 

Here are a couple of clips from Whirlpool's (and Kitchen Aid and Maytag) Use and Care Guide for installation instructions

 

[rp2813]

The Memo:

Steve, thanks for providing genuine installation instructions from the manufacturer -- for use by both professionals and the DIY homeowner -- that eliminate the need for applying a glued-on strip of metal to the countertop in order to secure the dishwasher.

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[combo52]

Mounting US Dishwashers

All WP built DWs come with brackets that can be used to mount the DW to the counter top [ preferred ] or positioned on the upper sides of the DW to attach the DW to side cabinets.

 

Using these side mounting brackets is apparently what caused this thread to get started because the brackets were screwed into the front hardwood cabinet frame which positions the DW too far forward in many cases.

 

The poster can use the side brackets if they want but they may have to add some wood to beef up the cabinet sides so the screws will hold.

 

The best way to install this DW when using stone CTs is to use the steel mounting strip glued to the bottom of the CT material and at and the steel strip also attaches to  the side cabinets.

 

Hi Ralph, I don't know why you often start spewing out advice when you don't know what is going on, my first rule of posting anything on line in print is to know what I am talking about and to be pretty damn sure that I am correct in what I am posting.

 

John L.

 

[yogitunes]

seen too many times of not even using any said brackets.....

the installer actually drilled through the side of the dishwasher attaching it to the cabinet....and without bracing properly, pulled the sides out of whack, and the door would not seal properly....

if done properly, may not have had issues.....

once seen on a F&P Dishdrawer....they drilled and screwed from the side....not paying attention that they screwed through the arms that lower the lid....and ergo, the machine would leak water onto the floor....also in thinking, it was a malfunction from the machine itself....

it can be done right, if someone knows what their doing, and really messed up if they dont.....