A young girl in my office made a comment to me today that she was trying to find someone to fix her GE filter-flo that she got in her new house, but was having trouble. I asked her what the problem was and she said the washer was opening the fill valve when it was in the spin cycle. "doesn't the water just drain right back out of it?" she asked. After thinking about what she said for a few minutes, I realized she was describing a spray rinse! Apparently, she had never seen a washer do this before. She had called up one technician that looked at the washer and he said it was in great shape. With that, she then called up some more appliance shops and talked with techs over the phone, and they also all said that the washer was working properly. After explaining to her what the washer was doing, she understood and thought it was a neat feature, and she admitted she had never seen a washer do that before!!!
never seen a spray rinse
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brettsomers
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i think a spray rinse is good, in that it helps clear the pump of detergent in prep for rinse.
I love a good long spray rinse, but, it REALLY bothers me when the machine does a spray rinse after the rinse! It washes out all the Downy!!!!! AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!
The 1960 Kenmore Model 80 I grew up with had several short spray-rinses during both spins. I didn't see the sense in spray-rinses during the final spin, either---for the same reason; it was rinsing away the fabric softener!
I remember being very impressed with machines that had one long spray-rinse during the first spin----GE and Maytag, for example. Our Kenmore had several short sprays. They came at the very end of the first spin, and since those machines were so prone to suds-lock, it frustrated me that just as the spin speed would finally begin to increase, the spin was over and fill started for the rinse cycle. And all the suds that didn't spin out would come flowing back into the tub through the perforations.
Funny, the things you remember about a washer, eh?
I remember being very impressed with machines that had one long spray-rinse during the first spin----GE and Maytag, for example. Our Kenmore had several short sprays. They came at the very end of the first spin, and since those machines were so prone to suds-lock, it frustrated me that just as the spin speed would finally begin to increase, the spin was over and fill started for the rinse cycle. And all the suds that didn't spin out would come flowing back into the tub through the perforations.
Funny, the things you remember about a washer, eh?
rinso
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My old 1-18 had my favorite spray rinse. Sprayed for a long time during the first spin, and then proceded right into the deep rinse cycle with the water still spraying. Great coverage from the spray tube that encircled almost the whole tub. It did have a short blast during the final spin, but I'm not sure if it was long enough to wash out all the fabric softener.
When I bought my Maytag LA9250 in 1996, my two dissapointments were a. the asses replaced the turquoise Power-fin agitator with the less effective finned white one and b. the spray rinse only lasted 15 seconds (the dial/timer increments were 15 seconds). I found out why. In 2003 I replaced the control panel of the unit with one from a Maytag A712 ( I liked all the pushbuttons for selections rather than the dial). I also preferred choosing wash and spin speeds independently of the cycles. What I was hoping would also be different, and was, was an increased spray rinse interval --up to one minute. What was fascinating was that the amount of water actually slowed the first spin practically down to a halt. It barely had time to re-achieve spin before it shut down for the final rinse. I assumed this was because of a larger fill flume resulting in more water in the tub, but I had never expected that.
bobbyderegis
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Is it true the new GE's do not have a spray rinse? And what's up with the WP/KM's short spray after the rinse? What happened to a spray rinse after the wash?
Bobby in Boston
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My old Amana would start to spray rinse sometimes before the tub was even 2/3 empty(adjust the rinse PLEASE!!) I really like the spray on my maytag A608, it sprays for a good minute at least!
Is there now/has there ever been a front-loading washer that has a spray rinse during the spin? I've never known there to be one. Why would a TL'er need one if FL'ers don't?
peterh770
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Thank you, Energy Star program!
golittlesport
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my 2-cents on spray
I think spray rinses first evolved in top loaders to remove the layer of soap scum that was left on the clothes after washing/rinsing with soap products.....especially in machines with a neutral drain. (I remember my aunt's Whirlpool having that "soap sludge" at the top of the tub as a kid.)
When using soap, that thick layer of suds was proof there was enough product in the water to do the job. (If suds level dropped or when reusing the wash water, the instructions on the box of soap flakes always said to add more product until a thick layer of suds appeared. This is why many women of that generation equated suds with cleaning.) But after washing was complete, this by-product of the soap was difficult to remove from clothes and machine parts. The tumbling action of a front loader tended to rinse away the scum better. Whirlpool/Kenmore's blasts of spray during the spins were designed to flush away this scum from the clothes and tub, and the over-flow rinses of the solid tub machines the same thing.
When detergents came along, this wasn't as much of a problem. The water flush/extract action of a spray rinse is still a good way to remove the dirty wash water, but most top loaders have eliminated or shortened them to lower water usage.
I think the new front loaders rinse action - saturating the clothes with fresh water and then spinning them, four or five times in a row - is very effective and is sort of a combination of deep and spray rinsing.
I think spray rinses first evolved in top loaders to remove the layer of soap scum that was left on the clothes after washing/rinsing with soap products.....especially in machines with a neutral drain. (I remember my aunt's Whirlpool having that "soap sludge" at the top of the tub as a kid.)
When using soap, that thick layer of suds was proof there was enough product in the water to do the job. (If suds level dropped or when reusing the wash water, the instructions on the box of soap flakes always said to add more product until a thick layer of suds appeared. This is why many women of that generation equated suds with cleaning.) But after washing was complete, this by-product of the soap was difficult to remove from clothes and machine parts. The tumbling action of a front loader tended to rinse away the scum better. Whirlpool/Kenmore's blasts of spray during the spins were designed to flush away this scum from the clothes and tub, and the over-flow rinses of the solid tub machines the same thing.
When detergents came along, this wasn't as much of a problem. The water flush/extract action of a spray rinse is still a good way to remove the dirty wash water, but most top loaders have eliminated or shortened them to lower water usage.
I think the new front loaders rinse action - saturating the clothes with fresh water and then spinning them, four or five times in a row - is very effective and is sort of a combination of deep and spray rinsing.
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My Direct drive Whirlpool only spray rinses during the second spin. It has two with the first one beginning as soon as the basket starts and the second one beginning about the time the basket reaches full speed. I must say, I have no Downy problems (or lack of Downy) to report. The Downy stays just fine. I do wish it had a spray during the first spin like the belt driven machines did.
My parent's old GE used to have a spray rinse from hell. For whatever reason,m the thing REALLY dumped water in during fill, and the spray rinse was noisy and full of water.
The new Kitchenpool has a wimpy spray rinse after rinse, and does it while spinning at like 200 rpm. It then kicks into a 'high' speed for like 30 seconds and stops. I think the slow spin was promoted as an 'energy saving' feature, sice we all know that wet clothes dry faster than almost dry ones do...
Did Whirlpools ALWAYS have such sluggish spins?
The new Kitchenpool has a wimpy spray rinse after rinse, and does it while spinning at like 200 rpm. It then kicks into a 'high' speed for like 30 seconds and stops. I think the slow spin was promoted as an 'energy saving' feature, sice we all know that wet clothes dry faster than almost dry ones do...
Did Whirlpools ALWAYS have such sluggish spins?
My Admitag, has only a spray rinse during the Perm. Press Cycle, and its only about 20 seconds long. The RIP Hotpoint had a very long spray rinse during the 1st sping to remove the lint from from the lint ring, and a quick one after the deep rinse as well, just to clear the lint ring. My little haier doesnt have a spray rinse either. It stops 4 times during the spin cycle to "bounce the clothes, then showers them real quick and spins again... But the Old Lady Kenmore we had, that had an AWESOME spray rinse... I remember it like it was yesturday... Man I miss that Straight vane agitator and that wonderful sound that machine made 
memories...
I have yet to find one that looked just like ours... White straight vane with the larger tub and waterfall "bed of nails" lint filter... .I see older Kenmore's on Ebay, but they are all early 90's.. ours was from 1982, center dial with 2 on each side, nice and Chrome... One Day I will find one and take it home... that and a 1-18 with all the fancy features!
memories...
I have yet to find one that looked just like ours... White straight vane with the larger tub and waterfall "bed of nails" lint filter... .I see older Kenmore's on Ebay, but they are all early 90's.. ours was from 1982, center dial with 2 on each side, nice and Chrome... One Day I will find one and take it home... that and a 1-18 with all the fancy features!
Some LG front loaders do a spray rinse. They have a selectable number of rinses from 1 to 6. If 1 or 2 rinses are selected, there is no spray rinse. If three rinses are selected, one is a spray. If 4 rinses or more are selected, 2 are spray rinses. This info is from the instructions for a Westinghouse LF700A, which was an Australian market machine manufactured by LG.
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New GE washers
Bobby in Boston,
Yes it's true the new GE top load washers do not have a spray rinse before the deep rinse. We bought ours in Nov. 2005. They do the same thing as the WP/KM they have a wimpy spray rinse after the deep rinse right as the last spin starts up.
In ours when we wash what I call a white load (towels/dishtowels/wash cloths/underwear) we have to turn on the the 2nd rinse option as the suds do not drain/spin out during the last spin. When the machine shuts off after the last spin suds start coming back into the tub. With everything else we wash (regular clothes) don't have that problem.
Any suggestions?
We have cut back on the amount of Tide we use. We also use Arm & Hammer washing soda when we do the whites. Try using fabric softner but do not work.
Bobby in Boston,
Yes it's true the new GE top load washers do not have a spray rinse before the deep rinse. We bought ours in Nov. 2005. They do the same thing as the WP/KM they have a wimpy spray rinse after the deep rinse right as the last spin starts up.
In ours when we wash what I call a white load (towels/dishtowels/wash cloths/underwear) we have to turn on the the 2nd rinse option as the suds do not drain/spin out during the last spin. When the machine shuts off after the last spin suds start coming back into the tub. With everything else we wash (regular clothes) don't have that problem.
Any suggestions?
We have cut back on the amount of Tide we use. We also use Arm & Hammer washing soda when we do the whites. Try using fabric softner but do not work.
gmmcnair
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Have you....
...tried some vinegar in the rinse water? That tends to cut through and neutralize soap and detergent (commerical laundries use a mildly acidic "souring" agent to neutralize the alkalinity from detergents). Add about 1/2 to 1 cup in the final rinse water. It also neutralizes some odors and doesn't leave a smell in your clothes. It also helps if you're washing dark clothes in hard water. I've brought back black clothing that I thought was faded doing this trick.
Maybe that will help with the suds problem.
Let me know if it works. If not, one of the all purpose HE detergents badged for all machines (like the Sears brand) may stop it.
Mike
...tried some vinegar in the rinse water? That tends to cut through and neutralize soap and detergent (commerical laundries use a mildly acidic "souring" agent to neutralize the alkalinity from detergents). Add about 1/2 to 1 cup in the final rinse water. It also neutralizes some odors and doesn't leave a smell in your clothes. It also helps if you're washing dark clothes in hard water. I've brought back black clothing that I thought was faded doing this trick.
Maybe that will help with the suds problem.
Let me know if it works. If not, one of the all purpose HE detergents badged for all machines (like the Sears brand) may stop it.Mike
seeitrun2006
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Mike/gmmcnair
This weekend I had the same suds problem I spoke of earlier. Except this time it was a little worse then usual as we had a rather large white load. The suds were so bad the washer could not get up to full speed. I opened the washer in mid spin and poured in the white vinegar. The suds did start to go away some. At the beginning of the 2nd rinse I poured in about 3/4 of a cup of WV. When the GE started in it's spin all you heard was water coming out of the clothes and full RPM during the spin. I was surpised there was not odor of the vinegar.
I think the proble with this washer is during the first spin the machine will start to spin...stop continue to drain.....start again.....stop continue to drain.....then start again in slow spin mode. I don't think to pull enough of the wash water out of the clothes before it goes into the deep rinse. When it goes into the last spin at high speed it pulls the suds out thus causing the excess sudsing. I'm calling GE today to see if this is normal for the machine.
This weekend I had the same suds problem I spoke of earlier. Except this time it was a little worse then usual as we had a rather large white load. The suds were so bad the washer could not get up to full speed. I opened the washer in mid spin and poured in the white vinegar. The suds did start to go away some. At the beginning of the 2nd rinse I poured in about 3/4 of a cup of WV. When the GE started in it's spin all you heard was water coming out of the clothes and full RPM during the spin. I was surpised there was not odor of the vinegar.
I think the proble with this washer is during the first spin the machine will start to spin...stop continue to drain.....start again.....stop continue to drain.....then start again in slow spin mode. I don't think to pull enough of the wash water out of the clothes before it goes into the deep rinse. When it goes into the last spin at high speed it pulls the suds out thus causing the excess sudsing. I'm calling GE today to see if this is normal for the machine.
seeitrun2006
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OOPS!
Sorry for the mistakes in my last post. I hit the post button BEFORE I suppose too!
Peace
Sorry for the mistakes in my last post. I hit the post button BEFORE I suppose too!
Peace
lederstiefel1
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never seen a spray rinse
Hello all!
My idea and my experiences are the following:
Sprayrinses are the normal rinses in twin-tubs and spin-a-rinsers. But they are not as thorough as the deep-rinse. The best rinse you can have is with two deep-rinses but that uses a lot of water so a combination of a "pre"-rinse by spray followed by a deep-rinse is the best of both!
As FL do not need so much water because of the tumbling, they do not really need a spray-rinse. My SpeedQueen does a spray-rinse. Also a spray can be combined to wash out fluff from filters down the drain and wash away the suds as well as cleaning the pump.
Ralf
Hello all!
My idea and my experiences are the following:
Sprayrinses are the normal rinses in twin-tubs and spin-a-rinsers. But they are not as thorough as the deep-rinse. The best rinse you can have is with two deep-rinses but that uses a lot of water so a combination of a "pre"-rinse by spray followed by a deep-rinse is the best of both!
As FL do not need so much water because of the tumbling, they do not really need a spray-rinse. My SpeedQueen does a spray-rinse. Also a spray can be combined to wash out fluff from filters down the drain and wash away the suds as well as cleaning the pump.
Ralf
