New 10Kg Fisher & Paykel 'Washsmart' top load washer

[washer111]

Forget This::

These machines also Spin at HIGHER speeds (~1000rpm,), use ECONOMICAL rinsing phases and will SPIN for LONGER.

In the "Good Old Days," machines may not have spun for nearly as long, nor as fast (Most certainly never went faster than 800rpm). These days, people are more concerned about saving energy, so using an extra few minutes to extract more water is not going to kill you or the washer, nor your wallet.

 

[mayfan69]

Thanks

Thanks for your comments Washer111....much appreciated, couldn't have said it better myself.

Cheers
Leon

 

[easyspindry]

To answer Logixx's question . . .

. . . about adding softener to the rinse:

If you add softener (which I do not), the machine has a "softener" rinse whereby it rinses in deep water instead of the spray rinse. One simply sets the controls to "softener rinse."

F&P have thought a great deal about laundry and the different interests in getting different clothes clean.

Jerry Gay

 

[logixx]

Softener

This cycle was set to use fabric softener (no eco option) but still did spray rinses with the drum stopping between the spraying and spinning. Shouldn't the softener be released during these stops?

Alex

 

[mayfan69]

Instructions:

Logixx: this is what the instructions say:

The fabric softener goes into the dispenser cup on top of the agitator. During the rinse the machine spins to release the fabric softener, delivering it down the agitator stem as the machine fills for the final deep rinse.

 

As I do not use fabric softener, I'm not going to test it and trust the machine to do what its supposed to!!

 

[DADoES]

 
In my opinion the machine is not functioning correctly for a non-Eco rinse.  What I see is the Eco rinse function running at the start of the rinse phase ... alternating sprays at slow rotation (25 RPM) with faster spins for extraction ... leading into an agitated deep rinse.  Softener would definitely run out and be wasted at the first pause in spinning.

My IWL12 defaults to a deep/agitated rinse, has Eco Rinse as an option.  On a non-Eco rinse it drains, revs up to 300 RPM, does a couple sprays, accelerates to 670 RPM for extraction, slows to 300 RPM and does a couple/few more sprays, 670 RPM again, then stops for the deep rinse fill.  It never drops below 300 RPM for the spin sprays so as to retain the softener from draining into the tub until spin does stop completely at the rinse fill.  It does pause spinning and rotate at 25 RPM for saturation sprays IF Eco Rinse is selected.

I've run into a few people who had this problem with GWL11 models, and maybe a GWL15.  I advised them to contact service and have the control board replaced.  One of the contacts reported back that there apparently was a programming flaw in his board.  I've also heard that some agitator-model Whirlpool Cabrio units had this flaw (greetings, Jeff/Washaholic!).

I don't know ... maybe F&P purposely changed the programming but that seems unlikely because there's no way to avoid wasting softener in the rinse sequence I see in your video.

 

[mich]

OH MY GOD..

Is that some, vintage, americana Tide on the shelf I see  

 

Nice Washer BTW  

 

[mayfan69]

Tide....

Hi Mich

Well, i wouldn't say vintage Tide, but defintely Tide....another collector Nathan (Brisnat81) brought some back for me from a recent trip.

Cheers
Leon

 

[mich]

Leon

Here, it's considered a vintage, good thing. It's an older, specially formulated detergent that quickly dissolves no matter how cold the water is, no matter how little agitation there is. They made it with a modified form of Sodium Sulfate, and a activator to dissolve all of the filler. 

 

I also personally believe, it was formulated with better surfactants, for better stain removal performance. Plus, the older powders contained a ingredient called "cellulose" that helped prevent cotton fabric pilling, that's no longer found in most of the newer formulations. 

 

Consider the stuff, good stuff   The formula you have was completely discontinued in Late 2010. 

 

[mayfan69]

Vintage

Hey Mich

Well, defintely vintage then!

Thanks for the explanation: fascinating! I can buy Tide liquid here from an American Grocery store online, but no powders.

Cheers
Leon

 

[rapunzel]

It is my understanding that both the Clean and Wash Smart machines give true hotwashes when the allergy cycle is selected.

 

[mayfan69]

Hot Wash.....

You are correct Rapunzel: only on the Allergy cycle do you get a truly hot water wash.

 

Even if you select 'Hot' on the Heavy or Regular cycles, it will fill with hot only on the 'Eco-Active' part of the wash cycle and then fill with cold water.

 

[twinniefan]

Beautiful unit

Hi Leon,
A beautiful machine you have there, well chosen, actually if and when the LG Turbodrum departs me and goes to washer heaven I may even go for that machine myself in the 7kg size as I have noticed in various retail outlets you can get the 7 kg for about $100 only more than the 5.5 Quicksmart.
I too like the idea of putting the detergent inside the agitator post because you would have the agiator fins at the bottom helping to dissolve the powder.
Question, if you use liquid detergent does it go in the post as well?.
You have purchased well mate, hope you enjoy it for many years to come.
Cheers.
Steve.

 

[spinspeed]

Hey Leon, very nice machine. Aside the control panel looks virtually the same as the F&P intuitive which was the first washer I brought when I arrived in Australia. Great machine and still going very strong. Yours has a faster spin and bigger capacity I believe. The recirculation and the little spin during the fill after the recirculation of hot water is really neat and different to my machine. Also the recirculation when full before the agitation is different.

Interesting that F&P use the same size agitator in their small, med and large washers. I was surprised when I realized the agitator in my small smartdrive was the same as in the big size intuitive.

I am very happy using cold water after the warm or hot recirculation to suspend the load for agitating but I struggle with 100% cold water washing. Even with Cold Power detergent it doesn't feel right.

Also I can buy Tide Downey liquid at Coles supermarket. It is a little pricy at $20 a pop. Coles had it on special the other week at $15. I have also got hold of Hurricane laundry liquid from USA in Chemist warehouse which was pretty cheap.

Thanks for the video leon

Simon

 

[rapunzel]

"Tide Downey"

Don't buy Tide from Coles - they are rip-off merchants anyway. It's much cheaper at Costco and you'll help competition by smashing the Woolies/Coles duopoly.

"DOWN WITH CONSUMER EXPLOITATION THROUGH PRICE GOUGING - VIVA LA COMPETITION, VIVA LA AFFORDABLE TIDE!"

 

[mielerod69]

Tide at Coles

It's now $10.49. I wonder if they are clearing it out and no longer going to stock it.

 

[spinspeed]

Thanks for the info Rod, I will have to check out my local Coles. I do love the smell of Tide Downey.

 

[spinspeed]

Tide Downey in Au.

Well Rod, you are correct, Tide Downy down to a little over $10 brings it in to line with Aussie products. Sorry Rapunzal, I admire your sentiment re the Coles / Woolies monopoly here in Australia but I had to buy a couple. I suspect Coles will stop selling it soon. I do wish there was more completion here in Au. Supermarkets and food in general is very expensive here, even compared to the UK, which by the way has a myriad of different major supermarkets.

 

[rapunzel]

Well, when Coles stops selling it you know where else you can get it.

 

[whirlykenmore78]

@ mayfan69

You've found a fine washer.  May you enjoy it in good health and clean clothes.

 

@ Pierreandreply4.  Please stop turning EVERY thread you post in into a sounding board for your FALSE and COMPLETELY UNTRUE cold water washing rhetoric.  Many of us have tried to reason with you over time but you are too BULLHEADED to listen. 

Your intelligent input as a member is always welcome.  However,  your arrogant, bullheaded claims that we are all wrong on cold water washing, (Which are NOT TRUE In threads that have nothing to do with that subject) are NOT.

WK78