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westie2

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Thinking about trading my wifes car for a new one. Current is a 2008 Ford Focus and is a great car with about 45,000 on it. She commutes 26 miles each way daily half freeway and half heavy city to her work. The Focus a 4 cylinder gets good mileage (around 40 mpg average). I just want her to keep a lower mileage car. With what the price of gas is now. I think it is time to get her a Hybrid? There is one in the area a Ford Fusion 2011 that I really do like. I have a 2006 Fusion SEL. We are Ford folks but would look at other Hybrids other than the Prius which is ugly.

All comments are welcome.

Charles
 
If you have something that runs good now, just keep it. Cars these days usually last past 100K, if you take care of them and do periodic maintenance. In this economy why spend money when you don't really have to?

Since you are a Ford guy, I'd look at the Escape Hybrid. People seem to like it. But I think at this point in time with hybrids you are just throwing money to the wind just to be "green".
 
 
I echo Whirlcool ... why replace a car that's only 3 years old and low-mileage? It's barely broken-in. My car is 10 years, showing a lot of cosmetic wear but only 69,000 miles. Unless something catastrophic happens, it'll have to run for several more years. I've bought 3 cars new-off-the-lot, and don't think I'll do that again. Next one is likely to be a "pre-owned" 2 to 3 years old.
 
I too think there is no reason to trade in, as 45,000 miles is still low miles in my book. My current car has 161,000 miles and driven daily issue free. I also think that since her focus is getting 40 MPG there is no real reason to waste extra money on a hybrid. If you really want to go new why not get another new focus or the Fiesta both of which would get 40+ mpg
 
I'm entering Mid-Life Crisis, so:

I really want a Dodge Challenger, but I'm waiting for it to get the refinery Chrysler gave its other vehicles, as far as the instrument cluster & a few other interior fixings go... (And somehow the new ones, are always ineligible for special discounts & dealer incentives, while the prices (even for the cheapest) just continues to sky-rocket!)

I'm not much of a mini-van lover (but I guess you don't have to be when you have a family like I do--Just Get One!!!!)

I'm really feeling pressured into getting a truck or SUV (and that's for the Four-Wheel- or All-Wheel-Drive, not to mention the ability to haul large purchases I'm destined to make in the future a little thing w/a tiny trunk & non-fold-down seats CAN'T carry!), so when my Honda's paid for, we'll see what I'll end up with (& my wife if she ever gives up her 2006 Toyota!)...

The VW 'CC' is a pretty neat car, that I once got to see & sat in, while wondering "Why can't OTHER CARS be designed like THIS????!!!!"...

Maybe seeing that I'm such a MoPar nut, someday something by Chrysler just might be made "like they were back in the day"...!

-- Dave
 
Hmm....

I see nothing wrong with keeping the ford. Hybrids really haven't been around too long enough to determine their longevity.

40 mpg is amazing and only 45k miles, thats nothing. Add another 100k or more and then maybe its time to consider something different. But I dont think you will run into any major issues yet. :)

My family used to be heavy gas guzzlers. 2 ford expeditions (one getting currently 8.7mpg according to the dash), A mustang GT from 2007. (harley too, but got good gas millage)

Then we got back in shape. I sold my Expedition. Bought my current 1967 Volkswagen Beetle. Gets roughly 33mpg.

My parents bought a Honda CRZ hybrid. Mom got the Fit. Dad sold the mustang and Harley.

Just have the 2003 Expedition with 8.7mpg. And a 1961 Ford Thunderbird averaging 9mpg for gas guzzlers.

If you do want new, BUY HONDA! Reliable, and GREAT GAS.
 
I think it's unanimous, keep the car.  45,000 is just getting broke in.  With regular maintenance 200,000 miles is not unreasonable.  My cousin, a Pontiac guy, (too bad for him..) has 267,000 on his car, and plans on 300,000.  But he maintains it.
 
If I lived nearby

I'd love to see and make you an offer on that Focus.
I'm with the majority. Keep it. It has tons of life left to it. And congrats on the mileage. I have read anecdotally that they're good on gas. Any car driven in a civilized way its easy to beat the EPA ratings.
 
45k miles isnt anything, thats about the same amount of time my car has. I just rolled over to 81000kms the other week. As long as you keep on top of your oil changes and change your air filter once a year (and of course do the recommended service intervals to a T), the car should run for just about forever.

Ford has came a LONG way in the last 5 years, even I was looking at a new Ford Fusion last May, and I am a HUGE German car guy.

Take care of your car, and your car will take care of you with years of trouble free service*

*aside from the normal wear and tear.
 
40mpg

Is not bad especially considering it's probably an automatic, but you must drive that lightly :)

I drive a 95 Corolla with 180k on the clock and an 87 Nissan with 255k on the clock. They are both relatively trouble free and the truck has never been maintained. Close friends had 2 matching earlier Ford Focuses, a 2000 and a 2002. The 2000 "Z" model was ready for the scrap by 70k but I've heard they've come a long way and the 2002 Wagon is still on the road with over 230k on it. The transmission went out on the 2000 and was replaced and then the engine head had ground off a camshaft journal somehow and broke a camshaft. I myself have only owned 1 Ford and that was Festiva, but it was a Mazda engine so I guess it doesn't count. 43mpg and 190k and it would not die.

Your car at 45k and good maintenance; I wouldn't hesitate to keep that car, 40mpg is hard to get in anything really. My 1.8L Corolla 5-speed gets 38 highway and combined 33mpg. The Nissan P/U has a 2.4L 4-cyl and gets 24city/28hwy as a 5-speed. Is there a reason you'd consider getting rid of the car this soon? Don't like it or just like to get a new car ever so often? I think the Hybrid route is a waste of money for marginally better fuel economy vs price you pay for the car. If I can get 40mpg in a $12,000 Yaris, then a $25,000 Prius that gets 51c/48h doesn't make sense. Likewise if you are truly getting 40mpg out of the Focus, then you will take a step down from a Fusion or Escape hybrid as the Fusion gets 36mpg highway. On the plus side, as it is with Hybrids, the city mileage is considerably higher, but if you're a highway driver it's negligible.

-Tim
 
Here I have a 2001 Renault Clio Hatch, +160K kilometers and it still like new.
No strange noises, always following the manteinance plan but even required by the service plan, the dealer always check the parts and say "why replace if they still new?

The only expenses it gives to me are gasoline (i think it drinks from a drip counter), tires and oil/filter changes.
 
all good points

@ macboy91si...good point about the city/highway. I think thats something people tend to not think about when they are considering a hybrid.

I came down out of an 08' Ram 1500, which would only get 19hwy as long as i kept my foot out of it. Im now getting about 25hwy and it has been known to climb higher under certain conditions with my current vehical. All of my friends kept telling me to go green and look at hondas. While i have nothing against Honda, even the Accord was lacking in options and fit for us big boys.

I breifly considered a hybrid but quickly realized no company makes a large enough hybrid. At 40mpg, thats really good, unless you just dont like it or it just doesnt fit your needs any longer.
 
My thoughts as a Camry Hybrid owner (and a car guy)….

I agree with what everyone has said here. Unless you are just rolling in $$$ and get insanely tired/bored of a car after 2/3 years, why waist the money??? I understand that you want to make sure your wife is in a reliable car and I know how unreliable a Ford can be (Calm down! I own a Ford (so I can joke) AND I’m kidding about the last part!). But 45K miles is NOTHING!

As long as you do all of the regularly scheduled and any preventive maintenance (including changing the oil at 4K – 5K miles, rather then the 7500 miles they suggest), I agree that getting 200K miles should NOT be a problem!

On the Prius MPG: My ex had two different Prius’, a 2004 (bought used) and a 2006 (new). For some reason the ’04 Prius got slightly better mileage then the ’06. The only difference was the ‘06 had leather interior and Navigation, go figure. The ’04 would routinely average 48 – 50 MPG combined (65 - 70% fwy) and the ’06 was 45 – 47 MPG.

The cost of the Hybrid version of (what ever) is usually a lot higher then the “regular version” of (what ever). If you are thinking “Oh I will get that better gas mileage with the hybrid…” yes you may, however it’s not an instant, automatic thing. You will need to “re-learn” how to drive a Hybrid and modify your (right foot) driving style accordingly in order to milk the best mileage out of it. More gentle acceleration away from a stop, then lifting your foot and coasting long before you reach your next stop are key.

BUT how long will it take to offset the extra cost of the Hybrid with the added fuel economy you’ll be getting?

Another thing is a lot of people think they want to “Be Green” and drive a Hybrid. That is fine and dandy, but being “Green” is NOT only about getting better fuel economy, it’s also about the technology that goes into MAKING all of the bits and pieces that go into a Hybrid. One thing people do NOT think about is the hybrid battery. There are many who say ALL the processes that are required to build that battery are EXTREMELY damaging to the environment, not to mention, what do you with the battery and the other components when they have to be disposed of. It’s something to think about.

A little of my (high mileage) car history to bore you (haha).

I had a 1980 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham (diesel). Bought it with 120K, it had a NEW (not rebuilt) engine and other stuff. The car was slow as hell, but would manage 20-ish MPG around town and 28 MPG on the highway with A/C blowing ice cubes. For the H U G E boat (and all that luxury) this kind of MPG was really GREAT! I finally sold the car with 180+K miles ONLY because the car itself (not the engine) was falling apart. Trim pieces falling off, various electrical items progressively stopped working, just a bunch of little niggley stuff going wrong. That and I could tell the transmission was on its way toward failing again for the 4th time (the tranny was a piece of crap).

Next: the 1989 California Highway Patrol Chevy Caprice. Bought it from the CHP with 98K. It rode great, handled great, was FAST and a lot of fun to drive! Sold it with 160K ONLY because I was ready for some luxury and got a really good deal on a Lexus.

2003 Lexus LS 400 sedan. VERY nice car! The 4 liter 32 valve V8 was SOOOO smooth and ran flawlessly! I bought it with 168K on the clock but had NO fear of the miles. I talked with friends I know that work at Lexus corporate and the service departments of dealerships. They ALL said “These early LS’s were SO over built to compete with BMW & Mercedes Benz, that as long as you do all the regular maintenance, 300K miles is NO PROBLEM at all!” I sold it with 202K miles ONLY because after buying the Camry Hybrid (that is another story) I’d only put 2600 miles on it in a 4 year period. The LS would get 15-16 MPG in town and 20+ on the highway. That is exactly HALF the MPG the Hybrid gets and when the gas prices were shooting up, that was enough reason to sell it. I would still be driving that car now had I not bought the Camry Hybrid.

2007 Camry Hybrid. It’s a nice care, but boring as hell to drive (for me anyway). Around town I usually get about 32 – 33 MPG, combined 35-37 and best case scenario, long distance, steady speed out on the open road, 40 – 41 MPG.

My point after ALL this? Don’t be afraid of the 45K that’s on the car now. Unless it’s falling apart (and I doubt that), just keep driving it, make sure you do all of the regular scheduled maintenance and change the oil and filter ever 4000 – 5000 miles without fail. The car should last a long, long time!

Kevin
[this post was last edited: 8/19/2011-16:39]
 
Thanks guys for everything. Yes it is a good car and even has the newer smell. I keep it serviced and cleaned. Just want a good car for her on the commute.
 

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