customline
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Looking for opinions and advice on new 18 inch dishwashers. The 18 inch fits the designated area in our kitchen perfectly but there are alot of choices so I'm calling up the experts.
New dishwasher advice........
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The 18" dishwashers with a stainless steel tub are all made by Haier. Though you see different brands; Frigidaire, Whirlpool and GE; they are all the same machine. Prices are through the roof as well..around $500.00 IIRC.
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John that is correct and these little Haier machines are not great, best advice is find another 6" of space even if you have to get a smaller range or put the refrigerator in the garage LOL. But if you are really a serious DW user get a full sized American DW. WP products with the soft disposer are currently about the best you can do.
John that is correct and these little Haier machines are not great, best advice is find another 6" of space even if you have to get a smaller range or put the refrigerator in the garage LOL. But if you are really a serious DW user get a full sized American DW. WP products with the soft disposer are currently about the best you can do.
I put an 18" Miele in my previous house. I spent close to $1300 on it and never regretted a single penny of the purchase price. That was hands-down the best dishwasher I have ever owned. Due to the multiple rack adjustments and separate top-level silverware tray the capacity far exceeded other 18" dishwashers, it was stealthfully quiet, and had a quick (50 minute including drying) cycle that produced spotless results every time except for the worst carbonized disasters (the rack from the charcoal grill) which the heavy cycle (2 1/2 hours) handled without flinching.
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Thanks Neil I left out out Miele, The Miele could be a good option if cost in no object, but like very expensive German cars they do break down more frequently and are very expensive and difficult to get repaired even here in the Washington D C area. We have customers every year that just give up on Miele appliances rather than face another protracted expensive repair.
The Miele also has a messy stinky filter [ So does the Haier ] so you have to be careful not to get too carried away when loading these DWs or at least to remember to clean it after a cycle or it ends up smelling bad in a few days.
I installed one of the German built KitchenAid IC DWs in the utility room of my W. Va. house some years ago to wash items like the parts from the Jenn-Air electric grill. Like others I was amazed how quite this DW was, but it goes on for over two hours and at the end the grill parts are fairly clean. But when you go back to the house in a week or two the machine stinks and there is even mold growing on the dirty water left in the sump. And you end up pulling the filters out covered with all kinds of debris and cleaning them and then running a rinse cycle [ which takes just a 1/2 hour ] to finish flushing it all out. The machine is still there if anyone wants it, it is an interesting machine and I have a whole box of extra parts for it.
Thanks Neil I left out out Miele, The Miele could be a good option if cost in no object, but like very expensive German cars they do break down more frequently and are very expensive and difficult to get repaired even here in the Washington D C area. We have customers every year that just give up on Miele appliances rather than face another protracted expensive repair.
The Miele also has a messy stinky filter [ So does the Haier ] so you have to be careful not to get too carried away when loading these DWs or at least to remember to clean it after a cycle or it ends up smelling bad in a few days.
I installed one of the German built KitchenAid IC DWs in the utility room of my W. Va. house some years ago to wash items like the parts from the Jenn-Air electric grill. Like others I was amazed how quite this DW was, but it goes on for over two hours and at the end the grill parts are fairly clean. But when you go back to the house in a week or two the machine stinks and there is even mold growing on the dirty water left in the sump. And you end up pulling the filters out covered with all kinds of debris and cleaning them and then running a rinse cycle [ which takes just a 1/2 hour ] to finish flushing it all out. The machine is still there if anyone wants it, it is an interesting machine and I have a whole box of extra parts for it.
Bosch also makes 18" models. My grandma had a Bosch and it lasted for almost 15 years. Now, it's a Miele and it works fine so far.
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Quiet dishwashers don't have grinders.
Quiet dishwashers don't have grinders and you do have to clean the filter.
I like the quiet better, myself. But not everyone feels that way.
I have a (full size) Bosch and think it's dandy. I was going to get a Miele but at 200% of the price of the Bosch I couldn't justify it. I also had 6 months to pay interest free at Lowes so that was a factor as well.
Based on what I know about Miele quality I'd be skeptical if they broke down more frequently. But it is true that Miele techs are expensive.
Quiet dishwashers don't have grinders and you do have to clean the filter.
I like the quiet better, myself. But not everyone feels that way.
I have a (full size) Bosch and think it's dandy. I was going to get a Miele but at 200% of the price of the Bosch I couldn't justify it. I also had 6 months to pay interest free at Lowes so that was a factor as well.
Based on what I know about Miele quality I'd be skeptical if they broke down more frequently. But it is true that Miele techs are expensive.
customline
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customline sez...........
Thanks for the advice everyone.
Thanks for the advice everyone.
firedome
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According to Consumer Reports
whose data I trust implicitly, Miehle has one of the poorest repair records, as is verified by combo52 John, who has been in the business for a very long time. Bosch is also stated to have one of the poorer repair records by CR.
whose data I trust implicitly, Miehle has one of the poorest repair records, as is verified by combo52 John, who has been in the business for a very long time. Bosch is also stated to have one of the poorer repair records by CR.
repair records
Regarding CR, their repair records are based on customer surveys, which means 'the customer called to complain it didn't work.'
When you do use a new technology, sometimes you find that it doesn't work the way you expect it. With dishwashers without drying cycles, folks often complain, and call for repair, when things like their plastic does not dry. You see this on Gardenweb all the time.
Certainly they may need more repair, I don't know. But I can tell you my Bosch is hands down better than the Whirlpool that replaced it, that nearly burned my house down twice with short outs in the circuit board. (And no, I don't abuse the machine). So some of it may be individual machine build quality.
I also suspect that Miele may be tagged because their prices are so unbelievably high by comparison to every other brand that folks expect a lot from the machines. I don't know, and since I don't have a Miele dishwasher, can't even hazard to guess.
It would be interesting to know why these machines need repair. I read one review online for the Bosch dishwasher that I bought and it was criticized because the cycle time was not accurate; it started out at 140 minutes then jumped down to 100 minutes. Well, the cycle time you start with is the longest it could be (presumably if the machine has to heat the water and you have really soiled dishes) then it senses the condition of the load and adjusts the wash time.
In other words, I have no idea, but my experience with CR repair histories hasn't been awesome. However, I certainly do listen to techs!!
Regarding CR, their repair records are based on customer surveys, which means 'the customer called to complain it didn't work.'
When you do use a new technology, sometimes you find that it doesn't work the way you expect it. With dishwashers without drying cycles, folks often complain, and call for repair, when things like their plastic does not dry. You see this on Gardenweb all the time.
Certainly they may need more repair, I don't know. But I can tell you my Bosch is hands down better than the Whirlpool that replaced it, that nearly burned my house down twice with short outs in the circuit board. (And no, I don't abuse the machine). So some of it may be individual machine build quality.
I also suspect that Miele may be tagged because their prices are so unbelievably high by comparison to every other brand that folks expect a lot from the machines. I don't know, and since I don't have a Miele dishwasher, can't even hazard to guess.
It would be interesting to know why these machines need repair. I read one review online for the Bosch dishwasher that I bought and it was criticized because the cycle time was not accurate; it started out at 140 minutes then jumped down to 100 minutes. Well, the cycle time you start with is the longest it could be (presumably if the machine has to heat the water and you have really soiled dishes) then it senses the condition of the load and adjusts the wash time.
In other words, I have no idea, but my experience with CR repair histories hasn't been awesome. However, I certainly do listen to techs!!
toploader55
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Hey CustomLine in New Jersey
Here's a Miele 18"... Needs a Front Panel. This model is designed for custom cabinetry. But it says never used for $200.00. That's quite a machine for the money. Check it out.
Here's a Miele 18"... Needs a Front Panel. This model is designed for custom cabinetry. But it says never used for $200.00. That's quite a machine for the money. Check it out.
firedome
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CR repair record data
are based on DIRECT customer questionaires submited to CR, NOT to the manufacturer. I have found them to be extremely accurate over many decades starting in the 1960s, and equally true for auto repair records, for over 150 cars we have owned, being a restorer/collector/certifiable (in more ways than one) car nut. That said, I'd also give highest credibility to combo52John's experience in decades in the field. Our experience with over-engineered & over-complicated German cars has totally reflected this same propensity for frequent and expensive repair.
are based on DIRECT customer questionaires submited to CR, NOT to the manufacturer. I have found them to be extremely accurate over many decades starting in the 1960s, and equally true for auto repair records, for over 150 cars we have owned, being a restorer/collector/certifiable (in more ways than one) car nut. That said, I'd also give highest credibility to combo52John's experience in decades in the field. Our experience with over-engineered & over-complicated German cars has totally reflected this same propensity for frequent and expensive repair.
