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I want to replace my Kenmore Ultra wash by a new dishwasher after the Holidays.
I am hesitating between the top of the line Maytag (or Jenn-Air, or Electrolux) since they all seem to be of the design, or going with the Bosch dishwasher. I need a top rack that can handle tall wine glasses without slanting them sideways. I want a quiet machine. I like to put in my pots and pans too, and I don't like to pre-rinse. My Kenmore does a good job, but the racks are starting to show some rusty spots after 9 years. I hate the plastic tub. The upper rack is not deep enough.
What should I pick?

Thanks, and Merry Christmas and A happy new year to all.

Serge
 
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I´m so pleased with it!
You can put all in it, pots&pans and other things and all comes out sparkling clean!
The racks are very handy, and thanks to VarioFlex, you can be very flexible! Wineglasses are no problem, you can put them in the upper and also in the lower rack.
Bosch dishwashers are rated best from a german consumermagazine. Even Mieles aren´t as good as the Bosch´s.
If I were you, I would go for the Bosch SGI58M05EU.
I don´t know if the model number is the same in the US as in Germany.

Bosch Bosch Bosch!!
 
Miele Miele Miele....And I am unanimous in that! Love the dishwasher we have. Bosch looks kinda cheesey but thats my opinion. And thats why we didnt get one. They clean well but the plastic bottom arm of a Bosch...nah...if I am going to spend that kinda money there had better be a stainless steel arm. The Miele has the stainless steel arm top and bottom. Plastic for the middle arm plus it has sensors to let you know if one of them gets blocked. Very handy to have.
Once you have a Miele product in your home your hooked. Anything else is a compromise...as they say.
Oh and not to forget ...loading...extremely flexible. Rack inserts come out and most of the bottom rack except for the from tines thats dont come out ...you can make it a flat rack to fit all kinds of stuff. Plus with mine there is a Tall items cycle...you can pull the middle rack out and it will shut off the middle arm outlet...just run the top and bottom arm. It will fit refrigerator shelves and the crispers in to get clean. done that myself. I cant say enough.
 
You want to replace it just because the racks are beggining to rust? Do you know they have kits to repair damaged racks? We've had a Kenmore Ultra Wash dishwasher for 9 years in my house and it still looks and cleans like the day it was installed. Our racks are not rusting at all. The only problem we've ever had with the dishwasher is that when it was first installed, on the first cycle it did, a drain pipe for the dishwsher was broken under the sink and it resulted in an undersink flood the first time it drained. The plastic tub is not a big deal. It is not corroding or anything. It is not a big deal if wine glasses tip over. Only if they turn over and are still full of water at the end of the cycle. This was kind of spotty because we never wash wine glasses in it. The machine is quiet enough for us to run it during the day with no problem. I can't say anything about Pots & Pans because we never wash them in there. We always use the Normal cycle with Water Heat. There is no need to pre-rinse dishes with it because of the Ultra Wash Module in the bottom. It is just like a built-in garbage disposal and even bone is no match for it. Our model of the machine is Black and has square buttons and a 2-digit time remaining display. Our machine does not have the Sani-Rinse option or a Sanitized light. It has separate Sensing and Water Heating lights and delay start up to 9 hours at 1 hour increments. The model number of ours in 15835792.

Thus ends my rant.
 
I've had the TOL Maytag with stainless steel interior for over 2 years and I love it! It cleans amazingly well, handles all sorts of very large/oddly-shaped pots & pans. The top rack pulls out completely if you have something really big to wash in the lower rack (like my 5-gallon beverage dispensers).

There isn't a more versatile machine when it comes to loading. It isn't as quiet as a Bosch, but it isn't noisy by any stretch of the imagination. And you can put wine glasses in the top rack without leaning them sideways.
 
I Vote

A Miele Tall tub.

Plenty of room top and bottom.

Mike, the bottom spray arm is plastic, it just has a SS cover over the top. Pull it out and have a look.
 
My 6 years old Kenmore Elite went south with leaking and it never really cleaned very well. I looked at Maytag, Kitchen Aid and Bosch. My mom has a Bosch and she packs that machine like clowns in a circus car and they always come out clean.

For me, clean dishes is one thing but the sound is another. My LR is near the kitchen and I have to own a quiet machine. I narrowed down my decision between the KA and the Bosch. I finally went with the Bosch unit after hearing that a KA unit is not the KA unit my mom had in the 80s. Those units were built by Hobart and these are upscale Whirlpool units with more options.

While I'm not bashing the new KA machines, the Bosch seemed to be a better fit for me personally. After the install, which went very smoothly, I had to get used to smaller baskets and new loading arrangements. However, I must admit, it's very very quiet, and cleans everything. The only issue is that it does not have a food disposal and there are a couple filters that need periodic rinsing and cleaning. That's not a big deal. Overall, while my wallet wished for a Miele, the Bosch was the perfect fit all around!
 
If the Sears works well,

don't replace it, repair it.
If you have to replace it, either a Miele or a Bosch. Modern American dishwashers are, sadly, just nowhere as good as US built units from the 1990's.
Bosch, in Europe, is considered to be a very good workhorse dishwasher, but not at all the noble brand it is marketed as in the US.
Miele, on the other hand, is worth every single penny. My two (one got dropped down the stairs during a move) have, together, put in 24 years of service without a single problem. No pre-rinsing needed and pots and pans are actually cleaned.
Of course, a lot has to do with the detergent you use. A really good enzyme detergent and hot enough water make all the difference in the world.
The BOL Amana I bought my folks (have to go American in their household, sigh) will clean even potatoes, grits, egg and baked on ickyness without pre-rinsing when I use my Somat tabs from Germany. With Great Value (A damn good detergent from Walmart, go figure) it does nearly as well.
LG has a very good reputation in Europe, but I wouldn't wish their customer service in the US on my worst enemy.
Pity the drawer dishwashers are such crap.
 
Of course i have to say bosch. They have served me well, in more ways than one. Im currently washing with a SHV99a13uc. (discontinued)This was one of the models with the sens-o-touch contols that will accept a wood door panel or accessory black/stainless panel. I purchesed the optional "2005" stainless door/handle because of its "towel bar" handle. It was the best i could do to match my cabinet handles. I posted a pic. You will notice the stainless door/handle, The SHX99a15 is the equivelint model that comes stainless out of the box but the handle is different. You may still be able to find this model of one simular to it. (not sure what color you want) It has the alternating spray simular to Frigidaire/Electrolux. Its quiet and does the job.

P.S. This is one of the models with the "info light" Mine is rated @ 46db. There are a select few models quieter than mine.

Hope you are happy with what brand/model you chose. :)

Scott

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I've had excellent luck with the GE tall tub DW. It cleans pots and pans brilliantly, even stuck on cooked cereal is no challenge for it. It's even removed burned on Cream of Wheat a couple of times when I left the pot in the stovetop with the gas burner still on low. Can't complain about that.

Some of the TOL models can be pricey, and it's not quite as quiet as a Miele or Bosch, but the MOL models are very reasonable and work just as well (same cycle setup and wash system). It's Normal cycle takes a total of 45 - 60 minutes, and it has a 1000 watt heating element to heat things up quickly. Mine has stainless interior with hidden top controls and I paid $660 for it at the Sears Outlet store. It was worth every penny and then some.
 
BOSCH!!!!!!!!!

I've had many dishwashers over the years and most did a very good job at cleaning. But, since I got my Bosch 2 yrs ago, I wouldn't own anything else. True, there is no disposial unit in it, but I clean out the filters every 3 mos and when I do there is next to nothing in them and I don't rinse before loading. At first I thought the racks were smaller too, and maybe they are, but I sure can get alot into mine. When family is over they are always amazed how much goes in and how clean and shiny everything is when it comes out.
 
LG

@ panthera: LG may be good in building stuff like TV's, cameras, DVD-Players and so on but their washing machines aren't good. Some manufactures should stick to their roots and concentrate on what they can do well.

The same thing like Samsung. Just look at the last washing machine tests and you'll find Lg and Samsung on the last places.
 
Even handy´s manufactured by LG are shit!
Broken after one year, not replaced and repaired by LG.
Have to look for a new one, even that there is still warranty on it!
 
I too must recommend GE.
I seriously think (despite what some of you may think of GE as a brand) that GE dishwashers are still some of the more robust on the market today. The tall tub models use a mere 1.2gallons per fill, yet they're able to use a beefy pump and still have pretty strong spray for today's machines.
They have an excellent active "ExtraFine" filter system and yes, a very beefy Calrod(r) heater.
Their electronic boards are hit or miss, but we've always had excellent service from GE repair...so, I give MY GE endorsement. My parents have had the GSD6660 Triton XL since 2003 and it's been a great workhorse.

I would also like to endorse Maytag's tall tub machines. I've heard great things about them (as well as weaknesses with their control panels and door latches). I myself WANT to get their 3 rack machine for my house someday.
But I cannot recommend Maytag since I have no experience with them.
 
Here is my wish-list for an ideal DW-

Good racking.
SS inner tub.
Mechanical timer.
Forced-air drying
Interior light.
Double final rinses.

AND THE WORST POSSIBLE WATER EFFICENCY STCIKER THERE IS.

Water is recyclable / renewable. Machines that use very little of it waste huge quantites of time and electricity (which are not renewable) to boost performance.
 
GE Profile tall tub models are absolutely fabulous!No pre rinsing,heavy duty nylon coated racks,a detegent dispenser that holds a month's worth of liquid detergent,one of the lowest if not the lowest decibles in sound.NO PRE RINSING!,adjustable upper rack for taller glassware,and a very powerfull wash system that filters 100% of the water 100% of the time no need (as in all imported dishwashers excluding the L.G.)to clean any type of filters because of the stainless steel built in disposall.I had their middle of the line(GSD8880)Triton model with a polly tub for over a year and boy do I miss that machine!I never prerinse anything.I just scrape the bulk off.My roommates at that time hated seeing me do that but then again,they also hated seeing me let my dog lick my plate.I always used the sani-cycle.Not because I thought my dog would contaminate my dishes but because the hotter the water,the cleaner the dishes get because hot water cuts the grease and loosens the hard to get off foods like lasagnia and melted cheese.Great dishwashers!
 
Whoops---I forgot that the CR page is for subscribers only. Sorry, kids.

They rated the ASKO excellent in energy efficiency, cleaning ability and noise.
The machine costs a mere $1600.

Asko (according to CR member responses) is more repair-prone than most other brands (except for Fisher & Paykel).
 
The Bosch experience

I have a lower end Bosch dishwasher that came with the house. It only has 2 cycles. Regular wash and rinse hold. The racks are basic and are terrible for loading. Not enough tines on the upper rack. No wine glass holder. No large utensil holder. For table silverware I prefer a long silverware rack in the front of the lower rack. I'm not fond of the box kind. The biggest downside is it take 2 hours for the regular cycle. Yes,2 hours. The water temp at the kitchen sink is 140 degrees and I always run hot water at the kitchensink first before starting the dishwasher. You have to be a patient person to own this dishwasher. On the upside it does clean the dishes well and is very quiet. I liked my Kitchenaid and Kenmore much better. The Kitchenaid was just as quiet,cleaned just as good,and was much more versitile in loading.
 
GE

Got go with the GE. I have an upper MOL and love it. My bottom rack can be completely flat, useful when I put the vegetable crispers from the fridge in there. The top rack is very adjustable too, can be adjusted up or down on either side, most dividers can be set down too for a flat surface. It cleans whatever I throw at it, it is very rare to find anything that might need rewashing. I have a lot of flexibility with the cycles plus all the options I need. I choose the model I did because it had a poly tub. I think they are quieter, retain heat better and basically I like a white interior in my dishwasher not a dark metal one (put some lights in a stainless tub and you might get me to try one...).

I've had pretty good luck with GE models, the previous one I had was a bit short lived, but it was close to BOL. Previous units lasted quite a long time. I tried several other brands, returned them all.
 
Thanks for your opinions. I forgot about the GE models. I read some bad reviews in the past on epinions.com. I do like their racks. The only thing that I do not like about it was the flatware basket. It does not have a tall backside, like Kenmore or KitchenAid, so I thought that when you push the lower rack back in the machine, knives would scratch the side wall of the tub. I do like their deep upper rack, which is similar in shape to the Maytag one.
I also noticed that some Bosch don't have many tines in the upper rack, leaving me wondering about glasses and cups rolling around.
Some of you told me to keep the Kenmore, which is working well. But you know, I would love to have a new dishwasher, with a stainless tub. Money is not an issue. I live in an upscale house, and people expect it. A lot of my friends have fancy dishwashers, and they come here and say What the hell is this? Kenmore?? And the vinyl racks are starting to get on my nerves. I am always afraid to stain the tub with red wine, or spaghetti sauce.

Thanks.
 
Kenmore is not a mid-end brand. Have you seen the new Kenmore Elite Ultra Wash HE dishwasher? The dishwasher has hidden controls and is stainless steel inside and out. The only thing on the front that says "This is a dishwasher." are 3 indicator lights for wash, dry and clean. The Ultra Wash HE is a newer version of the UltraWash which uses less water and energy. The machine also has the unique Smart Wash cycle which senses the dirt level of your dishes and the water temp and adjusts the wash time to save energy. It also has the Kenmore TurboZone feature to clean your grimeiest cookwear.It has a 1/2 load feature to use only the top rack. The only bad thing I see about it is the potentially long cycle time. The Sears/Kenmore websites say the Quick Wash cycle is 60 minutes long.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...&cName=Dishwashers&sName=Built-In+Dishwashers
 
That's a pretty pathetic reason to get rid of a very good dishwasher. If you do get rid of this dishwasher, I bet there's gotta be a few people on this site who would love your old dishwasher. It's based on Whirlpool's tried & true PowerClean system--something that's not marketed much anymore and it was a winner of a design. I can tell you, just about naything you buy today won't be as reliable as your old machine. the GE machines are very good performers and hold a holt. I love my new Kenmore Elite (next to top of the line) which I got last May.
 
Who needs a reason around here? Don't we change them more out of curiosity and to play rather than actual need?

I am very thrilled when machines within the club change hands and when I am able to watch dreams come true!

Thanks for the shout-out Eugene!
 

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