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Right now I'm shopping for a new dishwasher. I've got my choices down to a Maytag MDB4949 and a Whirlpool WDT750. If you have any suggestions throw them in there too. I'm intrigued by the new tech of the total coverage spray arm and just as intrigued to go back to a chopper system as I am also a fan of old school tech as I have a 2017 speed queen TL washer.

My last DW was a Kitchenaid kdte104ess1. It had the x style lower spray arm and did a great job while it worked. However it only lasted 3 years. Not sure if it was up to the task of washing a full load every single day.

which one do you like best? What are some positives and negatives of both? My preference is for a workhorse that cleans well. I scrape and run each plate under the faucet. I don’t really care about wash times as I start my load at the end of the night.

Thanks for your input.
 
scraping and rinsing each plate under the faucet may be your downfall for any new machine you get...

today detergents work on food particles, if there is not sufficient food to work on, then the chemical will go after the machine....wearing out racks and parts way too soon....

sounds odd, but this is whats happening....

some machines also use an Auto-Wash sensor type of system...if no food particles are noted, it may think the machine is empty and jump into one or two rinses and shut down....

even your dishwasher is now catching up from the SMART phone age!
 
The Maytag dw has a chopper and no filter to clean. The whirlpool dw has the global wash system that alterates wash arms and has a troublesome actuator motor. The Kenmore Elite higher models have the micro clean wash system. No filter to clean, but does have the actuator. You can also wash top rack only or bottom rack only. Hope this helps.
 
My feelings on this matter are strong enough to have compelled me to create an account in order to post this reply! From my experience, I would strongly advise against the MDB4949. We replaced ours in less than a year, because we were so fed up with it! Inside that year, we had to have the wash motor replaced to boot.

Any cycle shorter than PowerBlast + Sanitize (at 3h48m total time, without Heated Dry) was guaranteed to leave behind even the simplest deposits (and don't get me started on dried ketchup or melted cheese). Even when running that super long cycle, which I've heard consumes over 10 gallons of water, we would still end up with redeposit soil on the *inside* of tumblers and mugs.

I was also fooled by the "most powerful motor" claim--when the replacement motor came in, turns out it's rated at the same 1/6 HP as all the rest of the Whirlpool-manufactured machines, it just appears to be connected to a slightly larger impeller.

We ended up moving to the GE PDT845 when they went on deep discount for pre-Black Friday. The bottle jets were a driving force in that decision, and while they do work splendidly, it makes for kind of a strange configuration on the rest of the top rack--there is one row of tines that won't really fit anything but cooking utensils, even Corelle coffee mugs are too wide! Speaking of Corelle and racks, I have actually gone off and carefully bent the tines (of a $1,000+ dishwasher) on the front row of the lower rack about 7-10 degrees to the left, in order to allow a full batch of cereal bowls to fit properly without nesting. (The manual says bowls go on the right of the upper rack, which is impossible if you're using the bottle jets; they share the same physical space.) It also struggles a bit with redeposit, unless we treat the (admittedly easy-to-access) filter like the lint filter in the clothes dryer, and rinse it after each load. If your diet is heavy on beans, this will drive you crazy, as bean fiber is just the worst for it!

I have no experience with the recent Whirlpool-branded machines, but my instinct would be to shy away from that TotalCoverage spray arm. It looks like a lot of moving parts interacting in rather precise ways, in a relatively harsh environment. This is the same logic that steered me away from the LG QuadWash. The GE reversible lower arm uses a passive diverter, and the motor will stop/start to increment it from one outlet to the next.

All told, I would almost go back to our original (pre-Orbit) Frigidaire which had the most usable rack space and layout, alternated spray arms by reversing its motor rotation, and produced consistently immaculate dishes because it ran a brief fill during each drain cycle to rinse debris off the filter! Four motors shredding their bearings over the course of six years, though, still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
Maytag MDB4949 DW

Hi Nerdvana, sorry you had a bad experience with this DW, but it sounds like you don't do too well with other DWs either.

 

We are a dealer and have sold over 400 MT DWs of this design and have had NO cleaning complaints and very few problems, here and there some users don't like the rack design, but all DW manufactures have complaints about rack design, this is an area where it is very hard to please everyone.

 

You are wrong about all WP built DWs having a 1/6 HP motor, WP DWs used to have a 1/5 or 1/6 HP motor in the point Voyager models but they have been gone for over 6 years. The TOL Kitchenaid DWs with the grinder system also have a 1/6 HP motor, but no WP has had anything close to this in over 6 years.

 

MT and TOL KA DWs have by far the largest and most powerful motors of any home DW in the world currently.

 

John
 
Thanks John, I stand corrected on the motor specs--typical pumps out there nowadays aren't even rated in HP anymore, are they?! If I could talk to past me, I'd have ripped the MT RR out of my dad's house back in TX!

I guess the point I was getting at is that pretty much any selection one decides on is going to involve compromising on some aspect, and it's just a matter of figuring out which compromises have the least impact on their particular use case. I'm certainly not proselytizing the current TOL GE, either, but for my experience the MT was more disappointing than the lower-mid model FD it replaced.

We're all allowed to poke endless fun at the WaterWall, though, right? LOL
 
Leaning toward Maytag

I’m leaning toward the Maytag. I wish they wouldn’t have changed the dispenser or the front panel on the most recent model, though. I liked the digital timer and physical buttons. I also started having issues with that same dispenser on my Kitchenaid. Are the internals (main board, motor, etc.) the same as the older 4949 design? I think I could benefit from the tiered upper rack to fit sports water bottles. I appreciate all the input I’ve received so far.
 
Well, I have never been happier with a dishwasher's performance than my KA KDTE254ESS, in the 18 months I've owned it I can think of 2 possibly 3 dishes that did not come out spotless.  I do not pre rinse, some will sit there for two or three days with egg or other food on them and they are spotless as is the silverware that I toss in any old way.  I only use Cascade products, Finish is OK, but something about it turns me off for whatever reason.

 

Love the ball bearing racks top and bottom and cleaning the filter is a minor thing every 4-6 weeks.  I am totally sold on the filter as the screen is so fine there are no particles of food sitting the the cups in the upper rack as every previous machine has had.  At 39dB it is almost silent, and outside of the longer run times that I have adjusted to, needed with todays detergents, I have no issues.
 
Johnny,

I hadn't even noticed the control panel redesign when peeking at the Maytag site--their banner images all still show the model I had! I suspect a focus group may have suggested that the generic cycle progress indicators were less "offensive?" than a readout telling us, "I'll be done sometime early tomorrow morning..."

One thing I did remember after making my initial post is that the top rack always felt "too high" and we did have clearance issues with some taller water bottles. As it stands, only the right-most set of tines would hold the "Thermos Intak" bottles we eventually standardized on. To do it over again, though, I would definitely make the upgrade to the adjustable rack (since the "adjusted" position is downward in relation to the 4949's fixed rack). I would argue that before spending the amounts of money that we're discussing here, there's nothing wrong with hauling a set of YOUR dishes to the local store and double-check that they'll all fit as you'd like! That process and the aforementioned water bottles is actually what struck the LG from consideration in my last round of purchasing decisions.

I truly did appreciate not having to mess around with filters (monthly /or/ every-load) and the simplicity of the water circuit will likely mean less to go wrong over the coming years (diverters, actuators, and such).
 
Whirlpool built dishwasher Main motors

Here are some pictures of the rating plates of three different motors used on whirlpool dishwashers in the last couple of years there’s probably at least five or six total different motors but here are three popular ones.

You can see how much larger the motor is out of the Maytag it’s 202 W versus 55 W and 37 W for the other two it’s considerably larger and heavier it’s also continuous duty you’ll notice the other motors can only run for 20-22 minutes and then they have to rest for 10 minutes, LOL

The Maytag is the only one that has a horsepower rating it’s rated at .18 which is somewhere between one 1/5 and1/6 hp.

The major problem with having such low horsepower motors in the dishwasher is that the water force is not strong enough to dislodge food particles between dishes if two things are touching, commercial dishwashers will never be built such a ridiculous manner.

John

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I don’t understand the whole 20min on, 10min off thing.
My KA with the 37watt motor will run for the whole 45 min wash and 45min rinse segments nonstop.
I know facts are inconvenient but that little 37 watt motor will often flip plastic containers in my KA.

The Johnson motors in GE machines are whiny little brushed DC motors that make nice little pile of carbon under the machine after a year or two.
They’re prone to leaking too, since they’re not sealed wet rotor motors like on the WP machines.
 
One thing I hate this nonsense more is better thinking.

More water moving with more wattage all at once is great at saving time but does nothing if used wrong.

I could make a verry non pg comment on how the biggest tools fail when put in the wrong hands, but I think the pick up truck for a city dweller is the best comparison here that I dare to make...

Dunno what Whirlpool is doing, but alternating sprayarms have been around over here for 30+ years probably and have been the norm for probably 20 years now.
And I can't even remember one case of an actuator failing.

Even we get along great with 100W motors.

And you have to consider that 202W motor has to drive twice the wash arms plus the disposer.
So, 70-90W per spray arm seems about in line what is common over here.

And honestly, by now, over here, variable speed pumps are getting close to becomming the norm straight up.

Nothing beats inverter technology for appliance drives in any application I can think of.
 

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