new dishwasher; should i be happy, or cry?

[johnb300m]

Well, the management finally replaced our broken Frigidiare dishwasher today. I was practically promised a "Roper" machine but...that's not what I got. What i got is far more interesting.

A Haier.

It's Chinese, 100 percent. I don't even know where to start.
It looks to me that this machine is a direct rip off copy of both a GE and a Whirlpool machine.
- it has the whirlpool door and control panel, as well as timer due to the tell-tale whirlpool cycle sequence with purge.
- it has a whirlpool stainless steel wash arm that is not propeller-like but still sprays inward toward center.
- it has a GE Power Tower
- it has a GE Triton pump system with the dual CircuClean pump. Both these pumps are sourced directly from GE since they have the GE stickers plain in site.
- the top rack is a rough copy of a standard GE rack
- tank is unique but resembles a whirlpool tank

so i'm thoroughly pissed off that i got a chinese machine. but glad that it's a GE at heart with a whirlpool water distribution system. it's just so shocking to me that Haier would be so blatantly obvious that they just copied other machines.
Granted that it has these tried and true GE and Whirlpool components, but they're bolted to the worst quality appliance i've ever seen. it's clearly a piece of crap that had no original thought put into it whatsoever. it's a mutant, a bastard child of other manufacturers' ideas...and it goes against everything I stand for and what I value.

but...it's in an apartment that's not mine. as long as it washes well i guess i can tolerate it.
but it pisses me off still that my management is buying this trash and just encouraging Haier more with profits.

oh where has this world gone?

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[toggleswitch]

Ok now that is fascinating. I see what you mean about blatant copying.

 

[toggleswitch]

It has a GE Triton pump system with the dual CircuClean pump.

Please tell me more about this, afterh this thread has matured as I'd like to know how it works.

 

[appnut]

the bottom rack looks GE-ish too. Now, ya gotta give it a pretty good BobLoad test with heavy soil to see waht happens as far as cleaning performance.

 

[johnb300m]

you bet I will. it will be very full tonight.

funny thing about the "BobLoad." I always loaded my machines up like that before it had a name.
You know the old Cascade Complete commercial where the lady bakes a cake, then dumps the whole cake in a PowerClean Whirlpool?

Well....I DID THAT!

I put half of a stale angel food cake into our GE Triton XL.
It ran on Normal Wash, Xtra Hot wash.
The machine protested in the first two fills, but afterwards, it did fine. No more Cake.

I could never do that in this basic machine, but you bet your ass my dishes will always be filthy going in.
Real soon i'll get some photos up of the filthy going in/ clean coming out BobLoad.

 

[whirlcool]

Hey! That Haier is a step above the absolutely BOL Kenmore we have here. It looks very similar, but has a plastic wash arm instead of a steel one. Ours washes pretty good, providing the water tank is set at 140 F.
This basic design has been around a long time. I have seen this design of dishwasher under various nameplates (Kenmore, GE, Americana, etc.) in hotel/motel kitchenettes, condos and apartments all over the USA. There are jillions of them out there. Ours is about 12 years old and going strong, never a repair yet. It is a well tested design.

You should be happy that your management installed a dishwasher for you at all! When I was in college, I had an apartment which had a cheap Kenmore dishwasher that broke down. The tub had rusted through. I asked the apt manager to have it fixed. He said he would. I came home one day to find a big piece of plywood screwed into the cabinet covering the hole where the old Kenmore used to be. I went down and asked him about this. He said that my apartment no longer comes with a dishwasher and that he was going to reduce my rent by $5.00 a month to compensate.

 

[johnb300m]

wow...that sucks whirlcool.
i am not happy with the type of machine they gave me....but i am glad, and thankful they replaced the old one. it didn't wash the top rack at all.

 

[whirlcool]

I wonder why it's not washing the top rack. The ultra BOL GE we have does a good job on both racks, upper and lower.

You all may be asking why are we keeping this BOL Kenmore? Well, it was a builders unit and installed in the house when it was built back in 1994. It does the job we need it to do and we are planning a major kitchen remodel / expansion at some point in the next few years.

Johnb300m:

Yeah, that did kind of suck. But I moved out at the end of the term about 3 months later so it wasn't a huge thing. Most student apartments where I went to school didn't have dishwashers at all. I once had a student duplex apartment that had a washer inside and the dryer was outside on a cement slab.
I never would use that thing when it would rain, I was afraid of getting electrocuted!

Besides, I was half joking with you in my last post!

 

[johnb300m]

Hair's Maiden Voyage

Well the Haier did its first load last night.
EVERYTHING came out spotless! Except for a stainless steel pan that had scrambled egg on it. But not many machines get that off anyway.
- The Haier did fantastic in the upper rack due to the powerful pressure of the GE pump and spray pattern of the GE PowerTower.
The Whirlpool wash arm did quite well on the bottom.
That thing gets me though, how it's able to clean all the plates when the jets spray inwards...consiquently spraying at the BACKS of the plates...lol, IDK.

 

[johnb300m]

For Toggles

Toggleswitch wanted to know about the GE dual pumps.
An Engineering perspective:

Whether in a GE or a Haier knock-off of a GE, the systems with dual pumps work like so.

- Main pump circulates water after the fill. water and food soil is sucked through the first coarse filter. then through the hard food disposer with unusually large grind holes [shame on you GE].
In a Triton, the water is then pumped to the distribution system, and onto dishes. the water falls and returns to the sump, where a fraction of water falls into the rear fine filter chamber, gets filtered, and returns to the sump. As the machine runs, water is sprayed at the rear fine filter, pushing collected soil into a chamber under the filter.
During drain, the QuietMotor shuts off, and the auxilary pump starts, sucking water out of the sump, into the collection chamber under the rear filter, which in turn, closes a piston, sealing the chamber, allowing water and soil to be forced out and into the house drainage.

 

[toggleswitch]

Thank you!