New Dishwasher

[electronicontrl]

A year ago I began the task of renovating my kitchen and along with it came brand new appliances. My 30+ year old (still working) appliances had to go. (Most of them are now in storage). I spent a lot of time researching appliances and ultimately purchased what I wanted which was KitchenAid. ( I purchased extended warranties). The new appliances were delivered 10/6/2023. After 35 years of experience with the reverse-rack Maytag/Jenn Air, I had to "learn" a new dishwasher. The result is - I love my new KitchenAid KDTM704KPS. I used to load "Bob Loads" in my old dishwasher and I now do the same in the new one.

 

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[mark_wpduet]

Wait??? it has a light inside? damn!

And that is definitely a bobload

I want a kitchenaid too but they are SOO expensive

It sure looks like it holds a lot...

Good luck with it.. Hope it lasts many years

 

[combo52]

New whirlpool, built three rack dishwashers

Hi Michael great to see your new dishwasher. Thanks for all the great photos of this machine.

We’ve been selling quite a few of these and customers so far just absolutely love them have not had any complaints, my only complaint is being so tall I hate bending over for modern dishwashers in general because the lowest rack is pretty close to the floor. I keep trying to get my brother Jeff to get one because he has his dishwasher built up and I think he would love loading and using this Dishwasher

There’s also a Maytag version of this dishwasher we sell quite often.

My only comment is try to get the money back on your service agreement. It’s a waste of money statistically your chances of making out with that or Neil these machines are not giving any real problems , especially in the time that your contract covers you for the first maybe five years.

Hi Mark, these dishwashers are not that expensive when you compare them to the $2000 Miele or Bosch machines and these hold far more and are more reliable in the long run, plus any decent service tech will service these unlike those other brands.

John

 

[helicaldrive]

Soft food disposer?

Do those have a soft food disposer so there’s no unsanitary food strainer basket to manually clean?

Been wanting one of those new 3 rack Maytags for a long time.

 

[peteski50]

KitchenAid

Best of luck with your new dishwasher it is really awsome

 

[electronicontrl]

Thank you

I'm very impressed with this dishwasher (and the wall oven, cooktop and refrigerator as well).
In regards to my model of dishwasher having a soft food disposer, John would know for
sure. I recall reading somewhere the KA models having a filer that requires cleaning and the Maytag brand models having the disposer. I do not pre-rinse ever and I have not seen anything at the bottom of the dishwasher that needs cleaning.

 

[lakewebsterkid]

Nice!

I have a 604 and it has been flawless. Only complaint, no low rinse aid light.
We use ProWash almost exclusively. I rarely use heated dry because of the fan drying system. Very little remaining water on Tupperware. Cascade actionpacs have worked the best for us. The little filter in the bottom is more for glass and I have never had anything caught in it nor has it needed cleaning.
If you have any questions, just ask. I am fairly knowledgeable of the KA machines.

 

[pinkpower4]

reply 1 and combos2 re: reply 4

@electronicontrlI re: reply 1 Thanks for sharing!

@combos52 re: reply 4. I was looking at the Bosch, KitchenAid 604 series, or the Maytag MDB8959SKB. I prefer one with the third rack, adjustable height racks (at least the middle one), and adjustable tines. Needs to dry well. Is the Maytag model I am considering the one you referred to? Also, is the KitchenAid 600 series reliable too? I am assuming it similar to the 704 with less features but still basic reliable internals.

I have been reading the other replies with interest too.

The Bosch was appealing because of no more melted plastic, but I am pretty sure most of the stuff I have concerns about would be okay in the third rack. The KitchenAid seemed thoughtfully designed and well built too. I wish KA had a plain black in the 604. The kitchen is pretty viewable, so it's more important that at least the color or finish of appliances match. Normally, I am not picky about that where it doesn't show. For that reason, I lean toward Bosch or MT. But, I think KA or MT would be easier to get parts to fix myself or have it serviced where I live.

I hope to keep this dishwasher at least ten years, is there a reason that the KA is worth the difference over the Maytag? I have seen the KA in person but not the Maytag.

I think it would be easier to get parts and fix a KitchenAid or Maytag. I have been able to keep an old Frigidaire going, so that's important to me.

Thank you for any info anyone wants to add to this informative post and replies.

 

[appnut]

Michael, you are being bestowed BobLoad Extaordinaire. That's highest level!!!

Oh, and congratulaitons on finally getting your kitchen update completed. You contacting me almost 2 years ago at the beginning of this journey.

 

[cycla-fabric]

We bought the 604 model last May which is one step down from your machine and it is a nice machine and it does hold a lot of dishes and glassware. Since we just scrape and load and dont pre-rinse our stuff, when you run the machine it always takes over 3 hours to wash a load of dishes. That I don't like, also I have no clue what portion of the cycle the machine is in when it is on. Dashes on the front control panel are of no help at all. I do know that you can add a dish before the 2:38 mark shows up on the timer as the detergent wash cycle starts around that area.

Doug

 

[mark_wpduet]

I'm pretty sure these have the removable filter that you can clean periodically..

Actually, when that first started being a thing, I didn't go for it. I wanted a hard food disposer...However, after re-thinking that... I actually PREFER removable filters...

Take my Maytag for example (which is 10 years old now) No issues except for rinse aid dispenser which I don't care about.... anyway - to clean it .. it has to be taken apart.. I often think how nice it would be to have a removable filter that I can just pop out and clean myself..

Are the Maytag versions as good as the Kitchenaid? It's crazy when I check prices the white color is sometimes $200 MORE! Crazy

 

[combo52]

New whirlpool, built three rack dishwashers

There is no difference in quality components, and reliability between the KitchenAid and the Maytag versions of the machine, they use the same motors and basic parts. They roll out of the same assembly plant, etc.

There is no removable filter in these dishwashers. There’s only a small plastic trap. That’s just a guard against things like broken glass and olive pits getting into the pump and filtering system. These dishwashers use the spinning, ultrafine filter that whirlpools been using for 10 or 15 years, they’ve continued to perfect this filter. It’s the most sophisticated filter in any home dishwasher in the world.

John

 

[helicaldrive]

Then I want one!

I’ve been very happy with my Whirlpool engineered Maytag dishwasher that is now at least 5 years old (cleans well, great build quality, very quiet, no nasty food strainer), except its capacity has been disappointing compared to the three rack non-Whirlpool Maytag it replaced.

So this new 3-rack with soft food disposer would be the bomb!

 

[egress]

you can truly fit an astronomical amount of dishes in these things and everything still comes out clean, its amazing really.
the kitchenaid/maytag models are both equipped with the same pump unit, which has some sort of macerating drain pump. the kitchenaid models have a 3rd rack with nozzle tubes that spin, whereas I think the maytag one just has a spray jet bar that stays in place. the nozzle tubes are driven off of a small water turbine on the rear of the rack and rotate fairly slowly. they work quite well at cleaning glasses and mugs.
as for the small catch filter on the bottom, it will need cleaning once in a while if you don't scrape fully, it will collect some tough food material (stringy stuff mostly). luckily it rinses easily.

 

[mark_wpduet]

Wow very few options for white.. and look at the price jumps for the models that do offer white. crazy!

https://www.pieratts.com/search/kitchenaid dishwasher

 

[angus]

Beautiful dishwasher! I recommended the KA 604 model to friends who needed a new machine last year. However, they listened to the salesman who pushed GE Profile so hard that he practically shoved it down their throats. I was so annoyed I wanted to call BS on the salesman as he droned on about how KA reliability wasn't "what everyone thought it was" and who also told them SQ front loaders were "not worth the money". But it wasn't my $$ so I just kept quiet and let the couple make their own decision.

His big selling point on the GE was the "innovative upper rack bottle wash" feature. Big deal - I asked them how many bottles they actually wash and of course the answer was "0". However, the nephew of one spouse works for a GE division in Albany NY so they went for it. Oh, well... We'll see how this pans out. But then this is a couple who doesn't know what brand washer/dryer they have so I guess the bar isn't high...

 

[gelaundry4ever]

new whirlpool

I believe the new whirlpool still uses removable filters.

 

[egress]

whirlpool currently has 2 wash platforms, the removable filter model and the clean water wash model. the removable filter one I believe has a variable speed pump though I may be wrong, and is also on kitchenaids lower end models, as of the last time I checked. I don't know if any whirlpool branded machines use the clean water wash system.

 

[appnut]

Egress is absolutely correct about the spining tube under the 3rd rack on the KA and is the reason whty I would pick the KA over the Maytag. In fact, that spinning tube is actually considered an additonal level of spray, so KA has 7 spray levels vs 6 for any other 3 rack design. And WP has their own model at TOL too. If I had to pick one, it was always KA and mnot Maytag.

 

[appnut]

Angus I don't blame you for being dismayed about that sales guy persuasion/deception. Yae Applance out of Boston has YT cleaning results videos and KA is just behind the Miele & Bosch for cleaning performance. The GE is a very distant 3rd or 4th place and in my books, quite pathetic. My Bosch never ceases to astound and suprise me.

 

[logixx]

And here's Andrew's video

 

[appnut]

I"m not sure I"ve commented about these two videos befoe or not, but here goes. That first one, who cares if the bottom spray arm can spray water all thje waay to the top of the tank. It's empty, nothing in there. How about reality instead, I want to see how the different spray levels perform when the machine is loaded as intended. The same with Andrew's video. YEs, it's nice to see the different levels to see the patterrns. But now I want to see real world performance, I want to see how those sprays look with fully loaded racks. That shows me how the currents drench each item in each rack.

 

[electronicontrl]

Thank you Logixx and Andrew for the videos. I love the rotating spray on the 3rd rack.
For Bob Load fans, I have one more set of pics: (It's a mix of before and after pics).

 

[mark_wpduet]

@ Appnut

I thought the SAME THING immediately...it's empty. LOL.. Even still... I'm impressed with the way they wash... I had no clue until seeing that video that there was a freaking rotating spray arm...

One thing: As I was watching the lower spray arm work.. I noticed there was a big gap in the middle where there is no spray and I wondered... WHY???

Also...I have a question if anyone wants to give their opinion... If you're in a home with white appliances that are pretty old, would you slowly replace each one with a different color.. It would feel so weird to have a stainless dishwasherer, but everything else white...although stainless would match white.. like slowly replacing each when needed until you ultimately have all stainless

I do have a stainless countertop toaster/ Blender already so..

 

[mattl]

I have a miss mash of appliances in my kitchen and over the years I've gotten much less anal about it.  Way back in the late '80s when I redid the kitchen, I fabricated panels for my SxS fridge  and the DW. Put in a bisque gas cooktop and a black wall oven. Well 4 or 5 years later the fridge died, replaced it with bisque. Then the DW went replaced with bisque. Color went well with oak  cabs and the light countertop.

 

8 years in the fridge died again, was able to still get a bisque unit. Years later the DW went, no bisque so went SS.  Cooktop top died, went SS. Currently the fridge is still bisque, DW  is SS, cooktop is SS ( at the moment, soon too be black induction) and the wall oven is black stainless. It's a large kitchen so nothing is close to each other, doesn't really bother me.  I did buy  SS fridge a few years ago with the intention of swapping out the bisque unit, but I much prefer the interior of the current fridge over the new one I bought, so it stayed in the garage.

 

[lakewebsterkid]

mark_wpduet

I was VERY worried about the large space in the middle of the spray arm as well. However, as long as the dishes are largely placed correctly and there are no pots facing down in this area, the top rack spray and overspray from the bottom rack covers those dishes completely. I have never had any item come out with any soil on the first or second rack. Just a few spatulas or plastic spoons with either grill scrapings or rice on the top of them after being washed on the third rack on the right outer corner. Just not enough spray coverage there. But these soils pick right off.

 

[electronicontrl]

More Bob Loads

Loving the KitchenAid

 

[luxflairguy]

Sure holds a lot! Impressed!!