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Dryers

I have seen the dryer with a white rear bulkhead and others with a stainless rear bulkhead. I wonder if certain big box stores will get the cheapened version with white while independent dealers get the stainless.

I wonder if other options may be missing from the BB versions too.

Malcolm
 
Why do you say that, Thomas?
Has Elux laid off its engineering staff?
Are they outsourcing design?
What do you know?

AFAIK, WP and GE still have armies of legit engineers and technicians.
Although, I do know that WP will farm out some eng. work to other design houses as well.
 
Water level

When HE front loaders first appeared and the water level did not go up the window, I did not believe they could clean. Through direct experience I have learned that, contrary to what I thought, the lower HE water level actually cleans better, counterintuitive as it might be. If the water is deep and up the window, the clothes only roll around in the water at the base of the tub. In an HE FL, the clothes are sopping wet, much more so than they appear while tumbling, and they fall and slap on the tub, which forces water and suds through the garment much more effectively than when the fall is softened by standing water in the old school FLs. It's the same washing principle as the tried and true centuries old method of repeatedly slapping a sopping wet and sudsy garment on a smooth stone. However, if there are too many suds, the clothes will not get clean because the excess suds break the fall and impede the flow of water through the fabric. Also, the new HE FLs do not tangle and ball clothes up because they alternate clock and counterclockwise rotation. Clothes tangled and twisted up will not get clean because all surfaces are no longer exposed. The new HE FLers are totally superior to the old school ones. Now that I've had an HE FL, I can see that people who complain about poor cleaning in their HE FL are using too much detergent and/or overloading.

JMO... ...for what it's worth.
 
Yes

I agree with everything you said. The ONLY thing I would change is the water level for rinses would be a wee bit more. I'm not sure why they are not but they seem to the exact same level as the low water wash (at least in my old Duet FLer) Ideally, it would be super lower water wash with concentrated detergent, with a slightly deeper rinse) in my mind at least. But I suppose multiple shallow rinses along with interim spins between rinses are just as good. I don't know.
 
Agree

Meant to say that. JMO, but the standard default 2 or 3 rinses are not enough. Need 2 or 3 more. At that point, the clothes are cleaner and better rinsed than in an old school TL. Never thought I'd say and think that!

I've often thought the FLs could rinse much better and with less water if they'd do a short or pulse spin, tumble (not spin) spray the clothes, pulse spin, etc., about 10 times in a row, and then provide one final rinse bath as an option for fabric softener users. In other words, it would rinse the clothes the same way we rinse out our washcloth in the shower. And it could be faster too, with better balancing technology than current.

I'm very happy with my SQ FL, but still, there's definitely a lot of room in which to design a more efficient and better HE FL washer than we currently have.
 
Deciding which Elux washer to buy

I'm preparing to purchase my first front loader and I'm considering either the newest TOL EFLS617S or the earlier model EIFLS60J which...as has been noted...is more expensive than the newer model. I understand that these newer Elux models have not been out long enough for customer reviews, but for those who are familiar with the earlier models and what appear to be changes in this newer model, I'm trying to figure out whether there are differences that might make the older model more appealing in spite of the higher price tag. I would prefer to have some control over water levels and temperatures...or are both models so fully automated that there is little control in either? Some have mentioned that the "Touch to open door" on the older model was a deal breaker. Has that bothered others? I would appreciate your thoughts as to whether the "feature changes" to the newer model make the older model a more attractive choice even though it is more expensive...or am I just beating this subject to death? Thanks.
 
Spring Door

Unfortunately, the spring loaded door was a great feature for other brands to sell against. A salesman I spoke to said he would tell the customer to open and close the door ten times in succession. A couple of times out ten, the door would need to be pushed more than once to open it. Bottom line, the customer would purchase the machine the sales guy was pushing that week.

Malcolm
 
Update

Malcolm, I appreciate your feedback and after a visit to the dealer today, I decided that I can live with the spring-loaded door and I purchased the battle-tested Elux 70 versus the newer 617. As it happened, the sales rep has an Elux 70 which was very helpful as we compared specs between the two since the 617 was just put on their display floor on Friday and has not sold yet…nor has the staff had a chance yet to get fully up to speed on it.

I flip-flopped at least twice while comparing features and thinking it over, but finally decided on the 70 because it has a track record with satisfied customers and has an “add water” feature that the 617 does not. I would have liked the newer “pull door and drawer” of the 617 and the “fresh water rinse”…however I had concerns about the new “SmartBoost” feature that premixes water and fabric softener and requires a third pump. The “SmartBoost” feature may turn out to be a real plus, but I was uncomfortable that it hasn’t been tested yet in the market place.

I purchased the Elux 70 for $1,025 at a local appliance store here in Rhode Island and they have 8 left in stock.
 
Nice To See...

that it performed so well. No mention of reverse tumbling in the review. Not thrilled with the white painted rear bulkhead. It will stain denim blue before too long.

I noticed that these cannot be found in the brick and mortar stores.

Malcolm
 
Seen it.

Just got home from running errands. Stopped by my local big box store and put my hands on the 617 model. The pair were on the floor without the pedestals. Man, they looked small and difficult to deal with unless you purchased the stands. The rotary dial for cycle selection has a very high quality feel about it. Lexus like. I also noticed that all manufacturers seem to be moving to the painted read bulk head in the dryers. Most are painted a dark gray rather than white. Seems like a terribly obvious cheapening of the appliance, IMO.

Malcolm
 
Sorry to jump in late in the discussion. I have the earlier 60 model and am very happy with it---except for the touch to open door which is a needless add-on. Wide choice of cycles. You can increase water levels with the Max Fill option. Some of the cycles, in particular the Allergen cycle, include Max Fill by default, and it can added to many other cycles. Big enough to wash a queen size comforter (the largest size I own). So far, in the two years I've owned it, it has been able to clean everything I've thrown at it. I bought it and its matching gas dryer for just under $2200 with sales tax in Nov 2014. However, utility rebates totaled $150 and manufacturer rebates totaled $250, so net cost with tax and after rebates was $1800.
 
Video Review

Saw another video review of the Electrolux 617 set. The reviewer dinged the ELux because it didn't have wifi support or a remote phone ap. Seriously?

Malcolm
 
New electrolux

Saw these on display at sears, very nice, except i dont see any button where you can turn on the interior light while the wash cycle is in progress, thats a deal breaker for me, i think older e lux's you held down the rinse/spin button for 3 seconds?
 
no light during wash

These machines are way better than the older models. If a light is a deal breaker, that is a silly reason.
 
Light

It just seems silly to spend over 1k on a machine and the light can't even be activated (when the outgoing model could be) other machines out there all have lights that csn be turned on ie lg whirlpool ge and electrolux's own frigidaire line, obviously you do not watch the machine like all of us on here do, so yes it is a dealbreaker for me, i already have an lg front loader which does not have a light so why would i buy another one..... Besides i shouldn't have to explain my reasoning to you.
 
Now now now now. let's be nice to one another. Even though nobody ever is to me. Besides, I'm pissed that my LG made machine doesn't have a light either!!! I also just missed out on a Kenmore Elite dishwasher with the glass in the door!!!! I was cheated I tell you!!!
 
I don't have a light in my LG washer and yes it has the tinted plastique door lens. But I can still see inside and if I want, I can get a flashlight and shine it into the washer and see what is going on and its on for as long as I want it to be. See problem solved. My sister in law has the LG washer that is a model up that has the square doors and she has a light in it that one can turn on during the cycle....but it will shut itself off after a period of time.
 
Elux

I use a flashlight to watch my lg too, if i got another front loader it would have a light, every washer out there that has a light can be turned on during the cycle why electrolux doesnt? Seems stupid to me.... Isnt that the whole reason for buying a machine with a light in the first place and upgrading to the 617?? Its like buying a car with heated seats only to find out you CAN'T turn them on while the car is driving, seems silly to me.
 
AS for lights, I wired up a set of LEDs from those cheap 9 led flashlights to a cheap power supply and permanently mounted them on the inner glass.  Light when I want it.  I used hot glue, but in the future I'll use epoxy.
 
flashlight

Keep using that flashlight, you will need it for more than looking in the window of your LG washer. LG is pure garbage, Samsung is pure garbage, Whirlpool is pure garbage. Korean junk...enjoy haha
 
I removed the tinted door on my German Duet - took all of five minutes. Unfortunately, these tinted lensed have become an integral part of the door and you can't just pop them out anymore
 
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