passatdoc
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Here she is.....
....they are still working on the ducting/water supply.
....they are still working on the ducting/water supply.
new FL pair in the works----what would you buy?
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First two loads
1. Perm press (100% cotton). My laundry sorter bags equaled one full load in the Frig 2140. I held back doing laundry this week so I'd have extra to stuff in the new Electrolux. It held 1 1/2 sorter bags loosely piled---not stuffed. Ran it on Casual with a prewash. I noted some underarm stains (patterned shirts---you can't really see it except on the white background of plaids and stripes) disappeared. The dryer got them dry in 38 minutes on Casual (starts warm/hot and cools down to room temp)
2. Sanitize: just to try her out, I washed a full load of bed linens on Sanitize, though normally I'd use a normal cycle on Hot. On this machine, the heater engages to heat the water to 156 F and indeed it was that hot when I put my hand in during a Pause. I didn't use a thermometer but the water was clearly hotter than my hot water line temp (140 F).
So far very delighted with this baby. Next up I may wash a comforter to see how it does.
1. Perm press (100% cotton). My laundry sorter bags equaled one full load in the Frig 2140. I held back doing laundry this week so I'd have extra to stuff in the new Electrolux. It held 1 1/2 sorter bags loosely piled---not stuffed. Ran it on Casual with a prewash. I noted some underarm stains (patterned shirts---you can't really see it except on the white background of plaids and stripes) disappeared. The dryer got them dry in 38 minutes on Casual (starts warm/hot and cools down to room temp)
2. Sanitize: just to try her out, I washed a full load of bed linens on Sanitize, though normally I'd use a normal cycle on Hot. On this machine, the heater engages to heat the water to 156 F and indeed it was that hot when I put my hand in during a Pause. I didn't use a thermometer but the water was clearly hotter than my hot water line temp (140 F).
So far very delighted with this baby. Next up I may wash a comforter to see how it does.
If the opportunity arises, I'm curious about the Steam option. On my Frigidaire, there is no dedicated steam producer as there is on a Whirlpool or LG. Mine "adds steam" in one of two ways:
1) Adding the Steam option to a cycle gives you a 20-minute first rinse in very warm (around 115-120 degrees) water. The 2nd rinse is in warm water. I've never seen so much as a single wisp of steam in the tub. Cleaning is improved by the longer tumble, and the warm rinse produces a nice warm load at the end of the cycle. Try it on bed and bath linens.
2) Selecting the Allergen option (available only on the Heavy cycle) plus the Steam option: Allergen extends the wash portion of the cycle by about 20 minutes, heating the water to around 130 degrees. "Adding Steam" appears on the screen for about 15 minutes during the wash cycle. Again, have never seen steam. Cleaning is improved by extending and heating the wash water. The first rinse is not extended and the second rinse is in cold water. I see the Electrolux has a dedicated Allergen cycle, rather than providing it as an option to add to other cycles.
Wondering what the protocol is on your Electrolux. Try adding only the steam option to the Normal or Whitest Whites cycle for a load and let me know what the procedure is on your machine. I always use it for loads of sheets and bath towels, providing one the sensory pleasure of pulling out steamy-warm items at the end of the cycle.
Glad you're liking the results from your Electrolux!
1) Adding the Steam option to a cycle gives you a 20-minute first rinse in very warm (around 115-120 degrees) water. The 2nd rinse is in warm water. I've never seen so much as a single wisp of steam in the tub. Cleaning is improved by the longer tumble, and the warm rinse produces a nice warm load at the end of the cycle. Try it on bed and bath linens.
2) Selecting the Allergen option (available only on the Heavy cycle) plus the Steam option: Allergen extends the wash portion of the cycle by about 20 minutes, heating the water to around 130 degrees. "Adding Steam" appears on the screen for about 15 minutes during the wash cycle. Again, have never seen steam. Cleaning is improved by extending and heating the wash water. The first rinse is not extended and the second rinse is in cold water. I see the Electrolux has a dedicated Allergen cycle, rather than providing it as an option to add to other cycles.
Wondering what the protocol is on your Electrolux. Try adding only the steam option to the Normal or Whitest Whites cycle for a load and let me know what the procedure is on your machine. I always use it for loads of sheets and bath towels, providing one the sensory pleasure of pulling out steamy-warm items at the end of the cycle.
Glad you're liking the results from your Electrolux!
passatdoc
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ok, but first have to accumulate some addition item loads...
...having washed just about everything that needed washing yesterday!! Did a load of bed linens, perm press, and a quick wash load (two lightly soiled trousers and one pair short) just to see what it would do.
The dryer has a Y-connector to the faucet and thus has its own water supply. I do have a basket of folded launder that's been sitting in a basket for 2-3 weeks, I suppose I could run it through the dryer on steam to see what happens.
I need to consult the user manual for steam wash options and will copy/paste/report back to you. There are a LOT of cycles on these machines and I certainly didn't master all of them in a day!
PS at the moment am washing a queen size synthetic comforter to see how well it handles this kind of a load. There is a Comforters cycle on the dryer but not on the washer.
...having washed just about everything that needed washing yesterday!! Did a load of bed linens, perm press, and a quick wash load (two lightly soiled trousers and one pair short) just to see what it would do.
The dryer has a Y-connector to the faucet and thus has its own water supply. I do have a basket of folded launder that's been sitting in a basket for 2-3 weeks, I suppose I could run it through the dryer on steam to see what happens.
I need to consult the user manual for steam wash options and will copy/paste/report back to you. There are a LOT of cycles on these machines and I certainly didn't master all of them in a day!
PS at the moment am washing a queen size synthetic comforter to see how well it handles this kind of a load. There is a Comforters cycle on the dryer but not on the washer.
passatdoc
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"Add steam" option
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">ADD STEAM</span>
Select this option to add approximately 20 minutes
of tumbling in steam during the wash cycle.
It is recommended for heavily soiled loads to help
enhance the release of tough stains from fabrics
after initial agitation.
NOTE
• Steam may not necessarily be visible inside
drum during a steam wash cycle.
• Steam may not be present during entire steam
wash cycle.
IMPORTANT
• If steam is selected, rinse temperatures will be
elevated.
• If washer is paused during a steam wash
cycle, the door will remain locked due to higher
temperature in drum. DO NOT force open - it
will unlock upon cooling.
• During a steam cycle you may notice steam
exiting from the rear vent of the washer - this is
normal and not cause for alarm.
There is also a "Fast Steam" (I would imagine in lieu of the +20 minutes added by the Add Steam option above). It is a specialty cycle rather than an add-on option:
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">FAST STEAM</span>
The fast steam cycle adds the perfect amount of
steam into the clothing to refresh fabrics, remove
odors, and release wrinkles, reducing ironing.
So far have not tried any of the steam options.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">ADD STEAM</span>
Select this option to add approximately 20 minutes
of tumbling in steam during the wash cycle.
It is recommended for heavily soiled loads to help
enhance the release of tough stains from fabrics
after initial agitation.
NOTE
• Steam may not necessarily be visible inside
drum during a steam wash cycle.
• Steam may not be present during entire steam
wash cycle.
IMPORTANT
• If steam is selected, rinse temperatures will be
elevated.
• If washer is paused during a steam wash
cycle, the door will remain locked due to higher
temperature in drum. DO NOT force open - it
will unlock upon cooling.
• During a steam cycle you may notice steam
exiting from the rear vent of the washer - this is
normal and not cause for alarm.
There is also a "Fast Steam" (I would imagine in lieu of the +20 minutes added by the Add Steam option above). It is a specialty cycle rather than an add-on option:
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">FAST STEAM</span>
The fast steam cycle adds the perfect amount of
steam into the clothing to refresh fabrics, remove
odors, and release wrinkles, reducing ironing.
So far have not tried any of the steam options.
"there is no dedicated steam producer as there is on a Whirlpool or LG"
Like there <span style="text-decoration: underline;">was</span> - neither Whirlpool, nor LG use them any longer. Steam is made by the heater underneath the tub.
Eugene, for the "steam rinse" - are clothes actually wet or just tumbling damp in some steam (and thus not being rinsed)? And what about the Stain Treat option? It fills with cold and heats the water up? How's that supposed to work given the relatively weak heater?
Here's LG's steam option: it fills with some water and tumbles the clothes - without really adding detergent due to the ultra-low steam water level.
Like there <span style="text-decoration: underline;">was</span> - neither Whirlpool, nor LG use them any longer. Steam is made by the heater underneath the tub.
Eugene, for the "steam rinse" - are clothes actually wet or just tumbling damp in some steam (and thus not being rinsed)? And what about the Stain Treat option? It fills with cold and heats the water up? How's that supposed to work given the relatively weak heater?
Here's LG's steam option: it fills with some water and tumbles the clothes - without really adding detergent due to the ultra-low steam water level.
passatdoc
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@logixx
Stain treat uses the integrated heater to heat the water to an unspecified higher temperature. From the instructions below, it appears to use cold water fill and the heater is used to heat the water European-style to take advantage of both enzyme and non-enzyme ingredients in the detergent, but it doesn't specify the temperature attained by the water. Of course, since we are playing with only 120V, the heating process has to take longer than it would in Europe.
I used it once yesterday, along with a pre-wash. I noted that the pre-wash could be done with cold or warm water. I forgot to pay attention (I was working on other projects around the house) as to which cycle happens first: pre-wash or stain treat, though it would make more sense to start with stain treat.
Also, the washer gives a time estimate based on cycles/options selected. I just went over to the washer and pretended to set up a Normal cycle with Stain Treat option. The estimated time without Stain Treat was 0:57 minutes; with Stain Treat, 1:07. The default heat setting for Normal was Hot. I tried changing wash temp to Warm and also to Cold, and Stain Treat still adds 10 minutes regardless of wash temp. So it must take 10 minutes to go from water line cold to whatever temperature Electrolux has selected for Stain Treat. Then I assume it drains and then refills for the main cycle at whatever temperature the user has selected.
The only high temperature precisely specified by the manual is for Sanitize cycle, 152 F/67 C. However, that cycle uses Hot incoming water and the heater--assuming one's incoming water is 140 F/60 C, doesn't have to raise the temperature very much. Na, aber deutliche Betriebsanleitungen sind leider von Amis (und Schwedischen...) nicht zu erwarten----unwie die Kunden in Deutschland, die Persil kaufen, wir wissen nicht, was wir haben...
Below is a cut and paste from the owner's manual. Both selections are options that can be added to some of the standard cycles:
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">STAIN TREAT</span>
Stain treat uses a special 10 minute soak/pretreat
agitation before the main wash. It fi lls initially with
detergent and cold water to prevent protein stains
from setting, then the internal heater is activated to
heat the wash water to remove non-protein based
stains. Can be used with prewash for the toughest
stains.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;"> </span>
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">PREWASH</span>
Select this option to add a short initial wash period
to a cycle. Heavily soiled and stained loads will
prewash for approximately 5 minutes. The water
will drain and the load will automatically advance
to the regular wash cycle.
See step 5 in “Operating Your Washer” section in this
guide for details on adding detergent to the dispenser.
[this post was last edited: 11/16/2014-10:05]
Stain treat uses the integrated heater to heat the water to an unspecified higher temperature. From the instructions below, it appears to use cold water fill and the heater is used to heat the water European-style to take advantage of both enzyme and non-enzyme ingredients in the detergent, but it doesn't specify the temperature attained by the water. Of course, since we are playing with only 120V, the heating process has to take longer than it would in Europe.
I used it once yesterday, along with a pre-wash. I noted that the pre-wash could be done with cold or warm water. I forgot to pay attention (I was working on other projects around the house) as to which cycle happens first: pre-wash or stain treat, though it would make more sense to start with stain treat.
Also, the washer gives a time estimate based on cycles/options selected. I just went over to the washer and pretended to set up a Normal cycle with Stain Treat option. The estimated time without Stain Treat was 0:57 minutes; with Stain Treat, 1:07. The default heat setting for Normal was Hot. I tried changing wash temp to Warm and also to Cold, and Stain Treat still adds 10 minutes regardless of wash temp. So it must take 10 minutes to go from water line cold to whatever temperature Electrolux has selected for Stain Treat. Then I assume it drains and then refills for the main cycle at whatever temperature the user has selected.
The only high temperature precisely specified by the manual is for Sanitize cycle, 152 F/67 C. However, that cycle uses Hot incoming water and the heater--assuming one's incoming water is 140 F/60 C, doesn't have to raise the temperature very much. Na, aber deutliche Betriebsanleitungen sind leider von Amis (und Schwedischen...) nicht zu erwarten----unwie die Kunden in Deutschland, die Persil kaufen, wir wissen nicht, was wir haben...
Below is a cut and paste from the owner's manual. Both selections are options that can be added to some of the standard cycles:
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">STAIN TREAT</span>
Stain treat uses a special 10 minute soak/pretreat
agitation before the main wash. It fi lls initially with
detergent and cold water to prevent protein stains
from setting, then the internal heater is activated to
heat the wash water to remove non-protein based
stains. Can be used with prewash for the toughest
stains.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;"> </span>
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">PREWASH</span>
Select this option to add a short initial wash period
to a cycle. Heavily soiled and stained loads will
prewash for approximately 5 minutes. The water
will drain and the load will automatically advance
to the regular wash cycle.
See step 5 in “Operating Your Washer” section in this
guide for details on adding detergent to the dispenser.
[this post was last edited: 11/16/2014-10:05]
Hi Alexander-- The "steam rinse" uses the same amount of water as a regular 1st rinse. I didn't realize brands with dedicated steam producers had abandoned the format. Thanks for the information.
I found the Stain Treat option ineffective. I used it on a couple of loads of stained kitchen whites and was not impressed with the results. As you said, the water never really heats up to a hot temperature unless you use the Heavy cycle and add the Allergen option. To remove stains from colors, I add the Steam option to a cycle.
I experience excellent stain removal using the Sanitize cycle or the Heavy cycle coupled with the Allergen option.
I found the Stain Treat option ineffective. I used it on a couple of loads of stained kitchen whites and was not impressed with the results. As you said, the water never really heats up to a hot temperature unless you use the Heavy cycle and add the Allergen option. To remove stains from colors, I add the Steam option to a cycle.
I experience excellent stain removal using the Sanitize cycle or the Heavy cycle coupled with the Allergen option.
Jim, I was surprised there wasn't a bulky items cycle. So studying the chart, what's closest to Bulky Items on my Duet, I'd use delicate with fresh rinse and max water. That's closest to my bulky items cycle.
passatdoc
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My first load yesterday was a huge accumulation of 100% cotton shirts and trousers with wrinkle-free finish (LL Bean is my idea of high fashion...). None were white, but there were striped Oxford cloth shirts on a white background. Some of the older shirts had dark deodorant stains (appear as a faint reddish-pink) that, because of the pattern, barely show.
Just to play with the various cycles, I selected Stain Treat AND Pre-wash. I did not play with the Add More Water option, nor did I experiment with Steam. The stains, while not gone, were reduced by 50%. I overrode the factory-set warm setting of the Casual cycle and upped the temperature to Hot, as all of the clothing is color-fast (though hot water may shorten the life of the wrinkle-free finish, I don't really know; I have shirts bought in 2006 that have not lost their finish however).
On the next colored perm press load, I will run Casual with Steam and see what happens.
Just to play with the various cycles, I selected Stain Treat AND Pre-wash. I did not play with the Add More Water option, nor did I experiment with Steam. The stains, while not gone, were reduced by 50%. I overrode the factory-set warm setting of the Casual cycle and upped the temperature to Hot, as all of the clothing is color-fast (though hot water may shorten the life of the wrinkle-free finish, I don't really know; I have shirts bought in 2006 that have not lost their finish however).
On the next colored perm press load, I will run Casual with Steam and see what happens.
passatdoc
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Bob, I opened the PDF file for the washer again and searched for "bulky" and/or for "comforter". No cycle mentions either type of item.
FYI the comforter mentioned above is now drying using the Comforter cycle. After about 12 minutes the comforter is nearly dry to touch. This is a MUCH faster drying time than with the old comforter, and I suspect much of the improvement is due to the comforter emerging from the washer MUCH drier than it did from the Frig 2140.
FYI the comforter mentioned above is now drying using the Comforter cycle. After about 12 minutes the comforter is nearly dry to touch. This is a MUCH faster drying time than with the old comforter, and I suspect much of the improvement is due to the comforter emerging from the washer MUCH drier than it did from the Frig 2140.
Personally, I think "Steam" was a dumb idea someone came up with to still attain high temperatures without having to heat a tub full of 3 or 4 gallons of water to 153 degrees. I'd rather just have the profile heating of from cool to sanitize like the original stain treat on HE3t and HE4t Kenmores. I only use deepclean with steam option to heat the water gradually form warm to hot or sanitize for very heavily stained fabrics.
washerdude
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I think the comforter cycle would translate into heavy duty. We used heavy duty for our king size comforter and it came out just like it would in a laundromat. However the spin cycle on the heavy duty was a little odd. During its ramp up stage I noticed it would stay at a slower rpm longer, 1-2mins, then ramp up to medium spin and stay just as long as before, then it would go for its top speed (1200rpm). It didn't do this for any of the other cycles. Also noted how it sometimes was ramping up and in the middle of the spin it would ramp back down to its sensing phase and then speed back up if there was nothing wrong. Just like you said it comes out alot dryer and it was dry in our maytag dryer in 30 minutes.
When these models were first released, the service manual listed these temps:
Sanitize - 152°F
Hot - 131°F
Eco Hot - 113°F
Warm - 84°F
Eco Warm - 81°F
Warm Rinse - 75°F
Cold - 59°F
Since that was some time ago, I am guessing the current temps could be more something like this
Sanitize - 152°F
Allergen - 131°F
Hot - 113°F
Warm - 75°F
...
Sanitize - 152°F
Hot - 131°F
Eco Hot - 113°F
Warm - 84°F
Eco Warm - 81°F
Warm Rinse - 75°F
Cold - 59°F
Since that was some time ago, I am guessing the current temps could be more something like this
Sanitize - 152°F
Allergen - 131°F
Hot - 113°F
Warm - 75°F
...
passatdoc
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Danke für die hilfreiche Informationen. 
Jetzt bei Electrolux gibt es nur "Heiss" "Warm" "Kalt", sowie "Eco Kalt". Ich glaube, dass Heiss Warm und Kalt werden von Auto Temp Control kontrolliert.
Jetzt bei Electrolux gibt es nur "Heiss" "Warm" "Kalt", sowie "Eco Kalt". Ich glaube, dass Heiss Warm und Kalt werden von Auto Temp Control kontrolliert.
passatdoc
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Comforter update
I've washed two medium-fill full/queen IKEA synthetic comforters. Both came out great, and the dryer handled the drying (Comforter cycle) in 20 mins. I removed the comforter after ten minutes to turn it inside out but otherwise the dryer was on autopilot.
Compared to my old Frig 2140, this washer does a far better job of saturating the comforter with water so that it occupies less space during washing.
I am now washing comforter #3, a king size light-fill IKEA comforter. It fit snugly (not a lot of spare room) in the drum. However, now that it's saturated with water, it occupies less than half the drum volume. I am using Normal Cycle on Hot with Add Steam option (cycle goes from 1:13 to 1:33 in duration if Add Steam is selected). I'm sure the dryer can handle this lightweight comforter.
The challenge will be its partner, a medium-fill king size comforter. The pair were (and still are) sold as an alternative heavy/warm comforter. The pair snap together to make one very thick comforter, but what I find is that the combined comforter is simply too thick to insert easily into a duvet cover. Instead, I give each comforter its own cover and use them singly or one on top of the other, as temperature requires. The medium fill king will take some cramming to get the door closed, but once the water is added it will shrink down to manageable size. The 8.0 cu ft dryer looks as if it could handled two full size comforters at once, so it should have no problem with the medium-fill king.
FYI for those of you wondering what "Fresh Rinse" is----when this was introduced by Electrolux/Frigidaire, it didn't quite make sense since obviously the rinse would be done with new, out of the pipe water and not used/"unfresh" water. I learned from the retailer that Fresh Rinse routes rinse water directly into the drum, bypassing the detergent dispenser. I guess the theory is that traces of detergent or other agents that remain behind in the dispenser could be siphoned into the drum for rinses. Normally, fill water (e.g. at the start of a washer cycle) flows through the dispense to carry the soap to the drum.
Assuming that I can get the medium-fill king to fit/wash, I'll be saving $10 per comforter, or $80/year, since I generally washed each comforter at the laundromat at the start and the end of its "season" (i.e. late spring and late fall). I had to use the triple load machines at the laundromat ($5-6) and lots of dryer time. Not to mention savings of time by cleaning them at my convenience rather than having to make time to go to the laundromat.
I've washed two medium-fill full/queen IKEA synthetic comforters. Both came out great, and the dryer handled the drying (Comforter cycle) in 20 mins. I removed the comforter after ten minutes to turn it inside out but otherwise the dryer was on autopilot.
Compared to my old Frig 2140, this washer does a far better job of saturating the comforter with water so that it occupies less space during washing.
I am now washing comforter #3, a king size light-fill IKEA comforter. It fit snugly (not a lot of spare room) in the drum. However, now that it's saturated with water, it occupies less than half the drum volume. I am using Normal Cycle on Hot with Add Steam option (cycle goes from 1:13 to 1:33 in duration if Add Steam is selected). I'm sure the dryer can handle this lightweight comforter.
The challenge will be its partner, a medium-fill king size comforter. The pair were (and still are) sold as an alternative heavy/warm comforter. The pair snap together to make one very thick comforter, but what I find is that the combined comforter is simply too thick to insert easily into a duvet cover. Instead, I give each comforter its own cover and use them singly or one on top of the other, as temperature requires. The medium fill king will take some cramming to get the door closed, but once the water is added it will shrink down to manageable size. The 8.0 cu ft dryer looks as if it could handled two full size comforters at once, so it should have no problem with the medium-fill king.
FYI for those of you wondering what "Fresh Rinse" is----when this was introduced by Electrolux/Frigidaire, it didn't quite make sense since obviously the rinse would be done with new, out of the pipe water and not used/"unfresh" water. I learned from the retailer that Fresh Rinse routes rinse water directly into the drum, bypassing the detergent dispenser. I guess the theory is that traces of detergent or other agents that remain behind in the dispenser could be siphoned into the drum for rinses. Normally, fill water (e.g. at the start of a washer cycle) flows through the dispense to carry the soap to the drum.
Assuming that I can get the medium-fill king to fit/wash, I'll be saving $10 per comforter, or $80/year, since I generally washed each comforter at the laundromat at the start and the end of its "season" (i.e. late spring and late fall). I had to use the triple load machines at the laundromat ($5-6) and lots of dryer time. Not to mention savings of time by cleaning them at my convenience rather than having to make time to go to the laundromat.
Jim, you'll enjoy being able to wash comforters at home in your own machine. I wash mine about every six weeks and it's so much more convenient than taking a trip to the laundromat, using a washer that has had god-knows-what in it.
It's also nice to have a large capacity machine for the occasional huge load---bath linens, in my case.
It's also nice to have a large capacity machine for the occasional huge load---bath linens, in my case.
passatdoc
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I was washing comforters at the laundromat twice a year, so about $80/year in coins. If the dryer lasts ten years, that's $800 saved, vs an after-rebate purchase cost of about $1000
passatdoc
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The lighter weight king comforter fit with room to spare. The heavier-filled king comforter fit as well, but just barely without cramming it. Once the comforter absorbed the water, there was some spare room in the tub, but not much. The comforter came out nice and clean, and the dryer got it nice and fluffy dry in about half an hour. I did have to remove and reverse the comforters once while drying.
I was washing comforters at the laundromat twice a year, so about $80/year in coins. If the dryer lasts ten years, that's $800 saved, vs an after-rebate purchase cost of about $1000
I was washing comforters at the laundromat twice a year, so about $80/year in coins. If the dryer lasts ten years, that's $800 saved, vs an after-rebate purchase cost of about $1000
